Bombers add Jarious Jackson, promote Hogan to OC

[TBURGESS]

Been here long enough to know the players, play book and coaches.  Surrounded by a pretty strong offensive group.  Promoted by MOS who is an exceptional coach and one of best players who knows what he is doing.  Comes into one of the best team cultures we have seen.  Has the support of MOS, a hall of fame QB and a decent QB coach.  Has the best RB in the league. 

Based on  the fact that MOS and management have a long history of some exceptional coaches and a long stretch of success.  Based on the fact we were able to have great success in a similar situation with our defensive coaching (similar not the same).

Based on  the fact that we haven't given him a chance to even start the season before some are saying it was a mistake.  Deep breath, patience will pay off, trust the system, trust the mafia.

I expect a decent year for our play calling, slow start, bumps along the way and a strong finish. More worried about the OL than OC.

None of these are reasons to expect him to be any good at being an OC. 

You're confusing knowing the playbook from a RB perspective to creating a playbook for the whole offence. 
You're equating being hired by MOS with meaning he's going to be good. 
You're confusing what players say in the media for what they really think. 
You're equating other coaching hires, with this coaching hire. Each hire has its own benefits and problems.
You're saying that all patience pays off. That's just not true. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.
You're suggesting that no one should suggest something is a mistake until after you see if it is or isn't, which is a lousy/lazy argument. 

Figuring out if a specific guy is a good or bad hire, is mostly based on their track record and their experience. This coach has very little of either. Years less than MOS had when he got the special teams coaching job in Toronto, let alone when he got the HC job in Winnipeg. 

IMO the most likely scenario is that he takes a few seasons to become a good OC, (If he ever does)  just like it took MOS a few seasons to become a good HC. It's also my opinion that Jackson is a significantly better OC choice due to his track record and experience. 

[Blueforlife]

None of these are reasons to expect him to be any good at being an OC.

You're confusing knowing the playbook from a RB perspective to creating a playbook for the whole offence. - I believe that 3 years in the organization is enough for one to understand the offense and playoff, agree to disagree, he has an entire off season to prepare
You're equating being hired by MOS with meaning he's going to be good. - I believe and have stated repeatedly that we would have a slow start, bumps along the way and then it will work out by the end of the season
You're confusing what players say in the media for what they really think. - You 100% just made this up, I mentioned nothing about this, nice try there, no idea where you come up with this stuff
You're equating other coaching hires, with this coaching hire. Each hire has its own benefits and problems.- They are similarities with the two situations, it's how we do business in Bomberville, next man up
You're saying that all patience pays off. That's just not true. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.- I believe that patience will pay off, I believe you have shown a lack of patience at times with your approach and I have rarely agreed with what you post, we can both post how we like, that won't change, I supported MOS, Hall our defense and management in the past, it paid off then, yes it might not work this time but I believe it will and I'll give this OC a few years before I pass judgement.  It's true that patience has paid off more often than not in the current mini-dynasty run.  Trust the mafia, trust the system, believe in the organization.
You're suggesting that no one should suggest something is a mistake until after you see if it is or isn't, which is a lousy/lazy argument. -I have suggested nothing of the sort, I have stated my opinion and you have stated yours, you are really pushing the limit here imo, making stuff up, I would suggest you stop responding to my posts and I'll do the same, there is no value or reason for you to post things like this imo. 

Figuring out if a specific guy is a good or bad hire, is mostly based on their track record and their experience. This coach has very little of either. Years less than MOS had when he got the special teams coaching job in Toronto, let alone when he got the HC job in Winnipeg. - Let's let him try before we pass adjustment, just an idea, geez

IMO the most likely scenario is that he takes a few seasons to become a good OC, (If he ever does)  just like it took MOS a few seasons to become a good HC. It's also my opinion that Jackson is a significantly better OC choice due to his track record and experience. - patience paid of with MOS and I think it will again, Jackson will be a great asset, we can agree on that

We rarely see eye to eye and there is no value in this continuing.  You seam to be against the hire, I'm ok with it.  Agree to disagree and move one.

I am allowed to support our OC, You don't have to, that's your option.  Let's let him coach 1st before we judge him.  Give peace a chance LOL. 

I believe that all the reasons I stated will help make him a good OC and give him a chance for success.  Doesn't mean I'm right it's just what my gut tells me.  We will have a good run game if our OL is good, we will get our passing going if our game plan is solid and Zach has time to throw and builds experience up with his new receivers.  I am not worried about our play calling at all.  I think it will sort itself out.  It will be decent, the rest of the factors are bigger (OL, new receivers).

Some like our OC, some don't, some on the fence, that is ok.  There is no right and wrong just a bunch of fans guessing at what makes sense for next steps for a very good team, group of coaches and organization.

There is power in continuity and I think you are under estimating the power of that.  I believe you are more interested in an argument than stating your opinion about our OC.  I see us having a good offense if our OL is good, our run game is awesome and we have a good deep ball.

[Pete]

The main issue I have is that O feel this team needed an outside injection, simply to bring some new perspectives and freshness.
 While Hogan will undoubtedly utilize the existing playbook, early.in tc he needs to establish that status quo with our offence is not good enough

[Blueforlife]

The main issue I have is that O feel this team needed an outside injection, simply to bring some new perspectives and freshness.
 While Hogan will undoubtedly utilize the existing playbook, early.in tc he needs to establish that status quo with our offence is not good enough

Well said and agreed.  Change was needed, full disclosure I was ok with sticking with Buck but I see a good option here in continuity with our OC with a new flavour coming in (QB coach).  Very excited for the season.

I think our offence needs a strong deep ball and best run game in the league and we will continue to dominate.

I see a good run game early if OL is decent and the deep ball will come around mid season and we will finish strong if healthy.  Have I mentioned I'm excited for Bomber ball? Lol

[dd]

Hogan only knows our offensive scheme and he barely knows that. What fresh perspective and ideas is he going to bring and where would he get them from??. It's not like he's played in the nfl or the cfl, on multiple teams and systems, and knows the strengths of each, he only knows our system, so I expect much of the same.

Given the expectations are going to be high this year with us hosting the grey. Up, and the learning curve involved at learning the OC position, he is going to need the time that we dont have to spare.

[Blueforlife]

Hogan only knows our offensive scheme and he barely knows that. What fresh perspective and ideas is he going to bring and where would he get them from??. It's not like he's played in the nfl or the cfl, on multiple teams and systems, and knows the strengths of each, he only knows our system, so I expect much of the same.

Given the expectations are going to be high this year with us hosting the grey. Up, and the learning curve involved at learning the OC position, he is going to need the time that we dont have to spare.

You are making an assumption that is likely untrue regarding him barely knowing our offensive system.  We have a new QB coach, new faces on the OL and new receivers which will all contribute to some change.  I believe our offence will be rooted in the past with a few new flavor from our OC and QB coach.

You continue to understate his experience with football.  Yes not from NFL or CFL playing experience but he has been around the game a long time and will bring more ideas I believe than  you state.  "Info below".  Our offense will be a team effort between OC, QB coach, Zach and I'm sure with input from leaders in the locker room.

"A product of Rosemere, Quebec, Hogan came to the Blue Bombers in 2022 after serving as the offensive coordinator, running backs, wide receiver and quarterbacks coach with the Université de Montréal Carabins.

Hogan spent two years with the Montreal Alouettes prior to his days with the Carabins, beginning as an offensive quality control coach and then serving as a defensive assistant and receivers coach. He also worked for the Alouettes as a youth football program coordinator and served as the offensive coordinator at École secondaire Curé-Antoine-Labelle Loups and at College André-Grasset. Hogan was also a member of the Université de Laval Rouge et Or's Vanier Cup championship team in 2006."

Your statement about him knowing only our system is false.

How about we give him at least a half season before we pass too harsh of judgment.  I will give him two years to hone his craft before I am overly critical.  MOS believes in him and I won't argue with that. 

[TBURGESS]

Folks are calling you out on your opinion, because you refuse to admit that it's a terrible resume for a CFL OC. 

[DM83]

  glad to see others support my rant on the OC.  Probably a nice guy. Under qualified, but he will prove to be overwhelmed.  It's not like anyone has supported the hire as an OC. Sure Brady likes him, but as mentioned earlier, being a coach of 1-3 guys compared to an entire offence couldn't be more extreme.  Totally weird.

[theaardvark]

A head coach needs to do this, that's what their role is.

But for an OC who has to call the plays...it would be nice if they had any experience at all with those other positions first. He got the job because he's familiar with our playbook and we don't want to change things during this year, but it's a big risk.

When Buck left, I assumed we'd promote Kevin Bourgoin as OC. He's the one who had the experience to make that next step. But he followed Buck to BC. I am very curious to know who's decision that was.

Ummm.. that decision was made bay... wait for it... Kevin Bouroin.  Should he have waited to se if he got a promotion to OC here, or take the for sure job in BC. If he didn't get the OC job, the new OC usually brings in his own staff.  Kevin made the calculation and took the sure thing.  Probably a mistake, but its his decision.

No doubt, when Buck left, MOS/Walters told Kevin he would be in consideration, but that, as always, a proper search for the best candidate would be made.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Ummm.. that decision was made bay... wait for it... Kevin Bouroin.  Should he have waited to se if he got a promotion to OC here, or take the for sure job in BC. If he didn't get the OC job, the new OC usually brings in his own staff.  Kevin made the calculation and took the sure thing.  Probably a mistake, but its his decision.

No doubt, when Buck left, MOS/Walters told Kevin he would be in consideration, but that, as always, a proper search for the best candidate would be made.

Yah, that part bothers me, strange if they chose Hogan over Bourgain and bad if they did not act quick enough to prevent Buck from stealing him away. Bourgain would likely be sitting higher up the ladder if he stayed in Wpg.

[Jesse]

Ummm.. that decision was made bay... wait for it... Kevin Bouroin.  Should he have waited to se if he got a promotion to OC here, or take the for sure job in BC. If he didn't get the OC job, the new OC usually brings in his own staff.  Kevin made the calculation and took the sure thing.  Probably a mistake, but its his decision.

No doubt, when Buck left, MOS/Walters told Kevin he would be in consideration, but that, as always, a proper search for the best candidate would be made.

We have no idea what happened.

The reason it took so long to decide could very well have been because Bourgoin was our choice to be OC but he chose to follow Buck over staying here. And then we were left scrambling so had to find the best case scenario among our existing staff because that's a priority to not change the philosophy.

Or we very well might have not seen him as a leading candidate and he moved on for the promotion.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

We have no idea what happened.

The reason it took so long to decide could very well have been because Bourgoin was our choice to be OC but he chose to follow Buck over staying here. And then we were left scrambling so had to find the best case scenario among our existing staff because that's a priority to not change the philosophy.

Or we very well might have not seen him as a leading candidate and he moved on for the promotion.

Good point, begs to ask why not a hint of the process can be revealed to those who are curious to know how it unfolded.

[theaardvark]

We have no idea what happened.

The reason it took so long to decide could very well have been because Bourgoin was our choice to be OC but he chose to follow Buck over staying here. And then we were left scrambling so had to find the best case scenario among our existing staff because that's a priority to not change the philosophy.

Or we very well might have not seen him as a leading candidate and he moved on for the promotion.

His move was lateral, not a promotion, whereas his position, should he have remained, would have been a promotion at least.

Buck is going to wear 2 hats, as HC and OC.  Good luck with that.

[Blueforlife]

His move was lateral, not a promotion, whereas his position, should he have remained, would have been a promotion at least.

Buck is going to wear 2 hats, as HC and OC.  Good luck with that.

Buck will struggle but find his way in a couple years imo.  Two hats are a lot to fill.

[dd]

If Rourke doesn't get his act together, and he didn't in 2024, the Lions are in for a world of pain and Buck will take the brunt of most of it. The Lions were doing fine under Adams Jr. until he got hurt, brought in Rourke to save the day, but he didn't and they chased Adams out of town. Massive mistake. It remains to be seen if Rourke can regain the form he had in his rookie year and if he doesn't, things are going to be rough on the left coast..