Bombers add Jarious Jackson, promote Hogan to OC

[TecnoGenius]

The offensive performance was the major letdown in that game, IMO. That IP penalty from the first snap kinda set the tone for the rest of that forgettable game.

Ya, if (when) we're back in the GC this season, someone's got to smack Tui upside the head and make sure that doesn't happen again!  (Or just keep whispering the count to him pre-snap! ...and then smack him upside the head.)

Games are often defined by the first snap or series.  Same thing just happened to KC.

[DM83]

 Games are not decided on the first play of a game.

[TecnoGenius]

Games are not decided on the first play of a game.

When it comes to GCs, tones are set on the first few touches.  You see who is going to be more physical.  You see who is dialed in.  You see who prepared.

Look at basically every GC we played in recently.

'19 Alexander picks off Evans on his first pass as the DL is getting pressure.  Ya, that's the summary of the whole game.

'22 or '23?  Schoen doesn't lay out for a home run pass down the middle early on.  A must-catch in a must-win.  O didn't do much the rest of the game.

'24 Tui IP on 1st play.  Kenny heels out on big "let's get rolling" play on 1st or 2nd series.  Ya, that was our M.O. for 3.5 Q's.

KC in the recent superbowl.  Their first series was every series.  (Can we sign that Eagles DL??)

(Fill in the other years yourself, but it's a real thing.)

[DM83]

Ya know, every season is different.
If ya play finesse football, you probably lose.
We have a super prototypical back, in Brady. Runs through, over and around most people. I would bring in another nattering ram  to give him a break, and then get Danny finding us a good ole boy to create holes and run LBs over.

Come on Kyle! Get on it.

[theaardvark]

Ya know, every season is different.
If ya play finesse football, you probably lose.
We have a super prototypical back, in Brady. Runs through, over and around most people. I would bring in another nattering ram  to give him a break, and then get Danny finding us a good ole boy to create holes and run LBs over.

Come on Kyle! Get on it.

So, Hogan is no good, in your opinion.

And Brady is "super prototypical", and got that way while Hogan was his coach.

Which is it?

[DM83]

Positional coaches, coach limited guys.  Certainly a first yr guy will not know much about receivers, QBs and the line. He just hasn't worked with them.  Concept wise he may be ready, based on his enormous three year experience plus the famed Montreal Carabans.

I know some people on the board think the Bombers do no wrong. Both of you.  But really, what's he gonna do do help Experienced pro players?  He just hasn't been exposed to the quality Pressure filled decision making that happens in seconds in a football game.

Coaching one guy, or if we had five rbs even,  is great. But, How does he work with the other four position groups?  I don't think it would work at any level. He has to coordinate game decisions in seconds, and with some new guys, that communication could be difficult.

[dd]

Ya, the normal progression is the Qb coach moves up the ladder to be OC, as he's been working with the Qb's, both on technique as well as trying to understand concepts and schemes, when to audible, what to audible to, progressing through what reads on what plays etc. Hogan has done none of that at the pro level, and only had 1 year at the CIS level as a backup. That's a pretty big jump for anyone to make, and I think an unrealistic one to learn all that plus be the leader on calling the plays, making in game adjustments etc. And its not like he's coaching in a market like Toronto. Football matters here, it matters alot, arguably the most engaged fans in the league. I just feel for the guy as I don't think he can learn enough to lead and coach pro's who know more than him. What's he going to tell Zach Collaros about play execution, when he himself doesn't even know the playbook?? And aside for learning the playbook, he has to come up with new and innovative plays. It just doesn't make sense. It's like asking someone with Gr 8 math skills do 2nd year Calculus at U of M

[TecnoGenius]

I just feel for the guy as I don't think he can learn enough to lead and coach pro's who know more than him. What's he going to tell Zach Collaros about play execution, when he himself doesn't even know the playbook??

Hogan outlined his M.O. and plan pretty well in that article/interview about him back when he was signed.  It's a worthwhile read.

Basically he's leaning on a collaborative approach.  So he'll rely heavily on his unit coaches and key players.  The best people aren't the best at every detail underneath them, they are the best at choosing who their subordinates are and how to get the most out of them.  MOS is exactly this.

Whether a more bottom-up approach can work at OC or not remains to be seen.  As was already mentioned, maybe we'll see a looser leash for players (esp QB) to integrate their judgement.

[TecnoGenius]

I would bring in another nattering ram  to give him a break, and then get Danny finding us a good ole boy to create holes and run LBs over.

If you want a nattering ram, then sign my wife!  She'll dominate the entire league!

As her agent, the bidding starts at $500k/yr.

[Blueforlife]

Hogan outlined his M.O. and plan pretty well in that article/interview about him back when he was signed.  It's a worthwhile read.

Basically he's leaning on a collaborative approach.  So he'll rely heavily on his unit coaches and key players.  The best people aren't the best at every detail underneath them, they are the best at choosing who their subordinates are and how to get the most out of them.  MOS is exactly this.

Whether a more bottom-up approach can work at OC or not remains to be seen.  As was already mentioned, maybe we'll see a looser leash for players (esp QB) to integrate their judgement.

Well said, I strongly believe the early criticism of our new OC is way over stated.

[Jesse]

Hogan outlined his M.O. and plan pretty well in that article/interview about him back when he was signed.  It's a worthwhile read.

Basically he's leaning on a collaborative approach.  So he'll rely heavily on his unit coaches and key players.  The best people aren't the best at every detail underneath them, they are the best at choosing who their subordinates are and how to get the most out of them.  MOS is exactly this.

Whether a more bottom-up approach can work at OC or not remains to be seen.  As was already mentioned, maybe we'll see a looser leash for players (esp QB) to integrate their judgement.

A head coach needs to do this, that's what their role is.

But for an OC who has to call the plays...it would be nice if they had any experience at all with those other positions first. He got the job because he's familiar with our playbook and we don't want to change things during this year, but it's a big risk.

When Buck left, I assumed we'd promote Kevin Bourgoin as OC. He's the one who had the experience to make that next step. But he followed Buck to BC. I am very curious to know who's decision that was.

[Jesse]

And what did Lapo have?  Serious question.

Before his last stint with us?

16 years in the CFL and another 7 in college before that.

[TBURGESS]

Well said, I strongly believe the early criticism of our new OC is way over stated.

Based on what?

[Pete]

Not sure what the worry is about our OC, heck lots on here seem to know what and when the best plays to call or not to call. Piece of cake! We should just give em our numbers and he can text whenever hes stuck

[Blueforlife]

Based on what?

Been here long enough to know the players, play book and coaches.  Surrounded by a pretty strong offensive group.  Promoted by MOS who is an exceptional coach and one of best players who knows what he is doing.  Comes into one of the best team cultures we have seen.  Has the support of MOS, a hall of fame QB and a decent QB coach.  Has the best RB in the league. 

Based on  the fact that MOS and management have a long history of some exceptional coaches and a long stretch of success.  Based on the fact we were able to have great success in a similar situation with our defensive coaching (similar not the same).

Based on  the fact that we haven't given him a chance to even start the season before some are saying it was a mistake.  Deep breath, patience will pay off, trust the system, trust the mafia.

I expect a decent year for our play calling, slow start, bumps along the way and a strong finish. More worried about the OL than OC.