Bombers add Jarious Jackson, promote Hogan to OC

[J5V]

That's the embarassing part of the GC meltdown...every team needs to have a serviceable #2 Qb as it is just a matter of time before your starter gets injured. Look how many starters sat out last year due to injury...VAJ, Harris, Kelly, Fajardo, Brown, and BLM, MBT and Maier struggled and were pulled due to poor performance, so 8 of 9 starters missed playing time, and of course, our Qb gets hurt in the most important game and we had NOTHING to put on the field. It was totally embarassing.

I am hoping Jackson gets our backups up to speed so when pressed into duty, they are able to move the offense

Toronto's star QB breaks his leg yet they go on to beat us in the Grey Cup. That was hard to stomach. We had a backup but chose not to use him. We also had the league's best running back and chose not to use him either. Some strange decisions made during that time. That's what was most concerning to me.

[TecnoGenius]

Toronto's star QB breaks his leg yet they go on to beat us in the Grey Cup. That was hard to stomach.

Ya, it still boggles the mind.  Seeing Kelly go down in EDF right before our game there were knowledgeable fans in both Blue/Gold and Green salivating at the prospect of a "sure thing" GC.  All they had to do was win the WDF and the cup was going to be handed to them.

I said pre-GC that Dinwiddie might use this as his redemption arc to get revenge on the football gods for thrusting him into his GC as a Bomber only to fail miserably.  It was his chance to get the monkey off his back and right all past wrongs.  And he did.

It would make a heck of a movie.

Let's spoil the epilogue by destroying TOR in the GC @PAS in '25!  I hope WFC is planning for that game already!  You aren't going to beat TOR in Nov just taking it "1 game at a time".

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

That's the embarassing part of the GC meltdown...every team needs to have a serviceable #2 Qb as it is just a matter of time before your starter gets injured. Look how many starters sat out last year due to injury...VAJ, Harris, Kelly, Fajardo, Brown, and BLM, MBT and Maier struggled and were pulled due to poor performance, so 8 of 9 starters missed playing time, and of course, our Qb gets hurt in the most important game and we had NOTHING to put on the field. It was totally embarassing.

I am hoping Jackson gets our backups up to speed so when pressed into duty, they are able to move the offense

That is specifically Jackson's job as QB coach but he will need the full cooperation of the OC and HC to give the backup QB regular and sufficient playing time.  It would be dumb for them to put all their eggs back in Zach's basket and carry on as if good luck is always going to be on their side.

[dd]

That is specifically Jackson's job as QB coach but he will need the full cooperation of the OC and HC to give the backup QB regular and sufficient playing time.  It would be dumb for them to put all their eggs back in Zach's basket and carry on as if good luck is always going to be on their side.

Agree. I remember us beating BC last year 25-0 at home, yet we didn't put in our #2 Qb to finish the game out  the last 1 or 2 possessions. Commonly called garbage time, but that's the time we need to try out our #2 Qb's and let them go. Give them a script of some low risk plays and let them execute. We don't do that, and we better start, because rolling out your #2 Qb in the GC game with zero reps under his belt is inexcusable.

[theaardvark]

Agree. I remember us beating BC last year 25-0 at home, yet we didn't put in our #2 Qb to finish the game out  the last 1 or 2 possessions. Commonly called garbage time, but that's the time we need to try out our #2 Qb's and let them go. Give them a script of some low risk plays and let them execute. We don't do that, and we better start, because rolling out your #2 Qb in the GC game with zero reps under his belt is inexcusable.

The Dinwiddie effect...

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Agree. I remember us beating BC last year 25-0 at home, yet we didn't put in our #2 Qb to finish the game out  the last 1 or 2 possessions. Commonly called garbage time, but that's the time we need to try out our #2 Qb's and let them go. Give them a script of some low risk plays and let them execute. We don't do that, and we better start, because rolling out your #2 Qb in the GC game with zero reps under his belt is inexcusable.

I'd like to see the transition made to start the 2nd half, that way if it goes poorly Zach can come back in the 4th Q and still have time to save the day.

[dd]

The Dinwiddie effect...

We got sooooo schooled last year in the Grey Cup, it wasn't even funny, and Buck was a former Qb too, but his game plan was a joke compared to Dinwiddie's. My theory is this...Dinwiddie was a backup Qb, so he knew first hand what plays were difficult to execute and which ones were fairly easy to execute. He didn't expect Arbuckle to be Kelly, he expected Arbuckle to be Arbuckle, but called a game where he could complete the called upon plays and played within his skill zone. I don't think Buck had this knowledge as he was a #1 Qb, so didn't struggle with the 'thinking' part of the game, he just went out and played his heart out. One played with his head, the other with his heart. If Pierce had been as smart as Dinwiddie, he wouldn't have taken all those concussions, he would have thrown it away or slide etc. All water under the bridge now, but we now have Jackson, who was a #1 Qb but primarily a backup, so I am thinking he's more cerebral when it comes to calling the game. I am hoping to heck that Hogan asks for his input and listens to him.

[TecnoGenius]

My theory is this...Dinwiddie was a backup Qb, so he knew first hand what plays were difficult to execute and which ones were fairly easy to execute. He didn't expect Arbuckle to be Kelly, he expected Arbuckle to be Arbuckle, but called a game where he could complete the called upon plays and played within his skill zone. I don't think Buck had this knowledge as he was a #1 Qb, so didn't struggle with the 'thinking' part of the game, he just went out and played his heart out. One played with his head, the other with his heart.

That's a good theory.  Plus I think Dinwiddie thinks he has (had?) a lot to prove.  Maybe he'll get lazy now that he's done it and won 2, including an "unwinnable" 10.5-spread (against) GC.

Buck was destroyed in the last GC.  Maybe top-notch execution (like TOR's) might have given us a win (minus the finger cut).  Maybe.  But it shouldn't have even been close to begin with when you have Zach & Kenny and they have Arbuckle & Brissett.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing what kind of style & plan Hogan has since he never was a QB (right?).  As "the RB coach guy" we might even get something with more synergy with our strengths.

[J5V]

That's a good theory.  Plus I think Dinwiddie thinks he has (had?) a lot to prove.  Maybe he'll get lazy now that he's done it and won 2, including an "unwinnable" 10.5-spread (against) GC.

Buck was destroyed in the last GC.  Maybe top-notch execution (like TOR's) might have given us a win (minus the finger cut).  Maybe.  But it shouldn't have even been close to begin with when you have Zach & Kenny and they have Arbuckle & Brissett.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing what kind of style & plan Hogan has since he never was a QB (right?).  As "the RB coach guy" we might even get something with more synergy with our strengths.

Buck was not good last season, period. I'm actually relieved to know he's gone. I'm still angry about his refusal to employ Brady in the Grey Cup. I'm almost surprised Brady didn't demand a trade after that debacle.

I really hope this team is angry about their Grey Cup performance and channels that anger this season. This team needs to come out of the blocks with a chip on their shoulder and take no prisoners this season. Anything less will be a disappointment.

[Pete]

rewatched a few games from last season, and it struck me how mediocre our offence was last year during the regular season, only twice did Zac throw for 300 yards or more. Our defence got the ball back but we repeated failed to take advantage.
  I'm hoping the new OC changes up a lot of the strategies,
1. As talked about Brady had to be utilized more effectively, and incorporated into passing attack
2. It became obvious that our oline wasn't the strength it was in previous years yet Buck made few adjustments to compensate for this. Hopefully Hogan puts a lot more emphasis on quick reads and plays vs continuously letting Zac wait to try to hit the mid to long range shots.
The changes in the receivers along with Logan should aid in this. (vs Zac waiting for Lawler to get even partially open.)

[markf]

Re Collaros /Jarious Jackson relationship

At 1:28 of this video (Bombers v Elks 2024)

There is a three minute discussion of the relationship between Jackson and Collaros.

Says they were roommates while both played in Toronto. And more

https://youtu.be/KKaauQu9i5E?si=Jq1bjy8NpjsR05cB

Probably worth looking at Elks offence last year with Jarious to get a sense of what the Bombers will be doing on Offence.
Have to think Jarious is going to be the main designer of the offence this year no matter what his title is.

[TecnoGenius]

Have to think Jarious is going to be the main designer of the offence this year no matter what his title is.

Ya, at first I thought the opposite, but I've been giving it a lot of thought.  I think you (and others) are right.  It'll be a tight collaboration, if not some really wacky mishmash of roles.

We may actually get quite a different system.  While the setup may look like the Younger/Hall situation, we may not keep the "Bomber Way" on O as much as we did on D.

Jarious knows how to go for the big explosion, but he also was there in EDM when they "didn't know how to win".  Hopefully Hogan can take care of the little stuff that Jarious may overlook.

[theaardvark]

Ya, at first I thought the opposite, but I've been giving it a lot of thought.  I think you (and others) are right.  It'll be a tight collaboration, if not some really wacky mishmash of roles.

We may actually get quite a different system.  While the setup may look like the Younger/Hall situation, we may not keep the "Bomber Way" on O as much as we did on D.

Jarious knows how to go for the big explosion, but he also was there in EDM when they "didn't know how to win".  Hopefully Hogan can take care of the little stuff that Jarious may overlook.

I don't think we entered the Hogan/Jackson situation the way we entered the Younger/Hall, but it could end up similar. 

We had to promote Younger or lose him.  We had to promote Hogan because Buck left.  We kept Hall to help Younger.  We hired Jackson to help Hogan.

Young DC/OC hires need a veteran backstop, and in both, that's what we have.  Was our D last year 100% Younger?  I think we saw a lot of Hall in there.  I think we will see a lot of Jackson in this years O.

[Jesse]

Re Collaros /Jarious Jackson relationship

At 1:28 of this video (Bombers v Elks 2024)

There is a three minute discussion of the relationship between Jackson and Collaros.

Says they were roommates while both played in Toronto. And more

https://youtu.be/KKaauQu9i5E?si=Jq1bjy8NpjsR05cB

Probably worth looking at Elks offence last year with Jarious to get a sense of what the Bombers will be doing on Offence.
Have to think Jarious is going to be the main designer of the offence this year no matter what his title is.

I'm going to disagree with this.

The reason Hogan got the job is because we want to stick with the same offence. Hogan is going to make his adaptation (of which Jarious will be a part, for sure), but the goal is continuity. An outsider is not coming in and putting in a new offence in any way, shape, or form.

[dd]

I'm going to disagree with this.

The reason Hogan got the job is because we want to stick with the same offence. Hogan is going to make his adaptation (of which Jarious will be a part, for sure), but the goal is continuity. An outsider is not coming in and putting in a new offence in any way, shape, or form.

After watching our offense sputter and struggle in not one but two Grey Cups, I m not sure what what the same offense. We've been running the same schemes since the Lapo days, I think we need some new twists to throw the defense off and make us less predictable. It was like Toronto knew the plays we were going to run before we ran them. I am hoping Jackson is allowed input into what he would have done in certain situations. His offensive stats from last year were miles better than ours.