Bombers add Jarious Jackson, promote Hogan to OC

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Eagles dominated Chiefs with zero blitzes.  Properly designed and with enough talent, you can make any alignment work.

Balance is the key, with the right personnel they can play either system.

[blue_gold_84]

Eagles dominated Chiefs with zero blitzes.  Properly designed and with enough talent, you can make any alignment work.

Defensively, the Bombers fared pretty well until things started to unravel in the 4th quarter. They were probably gassed at that point.

The offensive performance was the major letdown in that game, IMO. That IP penalty from the first snap kinda set the tone for the rest of that forgettable game.

[J5V]

You can almost believe you'd only play that bad on purpose. LOL!

[dd]

Eagles dominated Chiefs with zero blitzes.  Properly designed and with enough talent, you can make any alignment work.

I couldn't believe the push and pressure the Eagles INTERIOR D line got on Mahommes. They weren't just space eaters, they were crazy fast and had a huge push on every snap. And that pressure made even Patrick Mahommes look brutal, as he played a brutal game, and to me, it was all on the pressure. The one pick he threw was behind his reciever, but heck, he was just about to get killed so that pressure lead to the pick. Rushing only 3, and a mediocre 3 , gives the Qb tons of time to make a play. Give anyone time, they'll make a play, look how incredible Arbuckle looked in the Grey Cup, and that was Arbuckle, not VAJ or BLM, it was Arbuckle!!!

[TecnoGenius]

He had 15 years experience at cfl level vs 3

And what did Lapo have?  Serious question.

[TecnoGenius]

Ya think we did enough to be a contender to play in the Grey cup?

100% we deserved to win the West, and thus be in the GC.  We squarely beat SSK most of the season and destroyed them in the WDF.  If it had been BC coming here, we would have destroyed them.

Now, if you want to argue were the 2 best teams in the GC?  Probably not: you'd have to eliminate the divisions to have seen a MTL/TOR GC.

[TecnoGenius]

This is a home grey cup year. We don't have half a season to play around. We just lost three Grey Cups in a row and you have the gall to *erk yourself off like you're some kind of prophet just because you say everything is always fine even when it might not be.

As J5V said... you meant like last year?  How many wins in the first 9 games?  None for 6 weeks?

However, I agree with the sentiment, and I would have preferred we go completely mental in FA.  We should be overspending like crazy.

This is our version of SSK in 2013.  No, I don't want to blow up the team's future (like they did), but I do want to win it at home in dominant fashion.  Either way we'll get revenge on someone (TOR or MTL).

[TecnoGenius]

The game is won and lost in the trenches. Win the battle get pressure on the Qb and you ll likely win the game. Conversely your O line wins the battle and gives your Qb tons of time to make plays and you likely win the game. I think our line play on both sides of the ball needs upgrading as we lacked pressure on opposing QBs and did not provide enough protection on our own Qb.

Not true.  I've rewatched the GC a couple of times and the OL protection of Zach was adequate.  He had time on most snaps.  Our OL massively outperformed in that game, and TOR's (who was better) did what everyone thought they would.

My point being: hoggies weren't the problem or the reason we lost (unless you want to include the run game).  Zach, all RECs and Buck were the main reason we lost.

[TecnoGenius]

The offensive performance was the major letdown in that game, IMO. That IP penalty from the first snap kinda set the tone for the rest of that forgettable game.

Ya, if (when) we're back in the GC this season, someone's got to smack Tui upside the head and make sure that doesn't happen again!  (Or just keep whispering the count to him pre-snap! ...and then smack him upside the head.)

Games are often defined by the first snap or series.  Same thing just happened to KC.

[TecnoGenius]

Games are not decided on the first play of a game.

When it comes to GCs, tones are set on the first few touches.  You see who is going to be more physical.  You see who is dialed in.  You see who prepared.

Look at basically every GC we played in recently.

'19 Alexander picks off Evans on his first pass as the DL is getting pressure.  Ya, that's the summary of the whole game.

'22 or '23?  Schoen doesn't lay out for a home run pass down the middle early on.  A must-catch in a must-win.  O didn't do much the rest of the game.

'24 Tui IP on 1st play.  Kenny heels out on big "let's get rolling" play on 1st or 2nd series.  Ya, that was our M.O. for 3.5 Q's.

KC in the recent superbowl.  Their first series was every series.  (Can we sign that Eagles DL??)

(Fill in the other years yourself, but it's a real thing.)

[theaardvark]

Ya know, every season is different.
If ya play finesse football, you probably lose.
We have a super prototypical back, in Brady. Runs through, over and around most people. I would bring in another nattering ram  to give him a break, and then get Danny finding us a good ole boy to create holes and run LBs over.

Come on Kyle! Get on it.

So, Hogan is no good, in your opinion.

And Brady is "super prototypical", and got that way while Hogan was his coach.

Which is it?

[dd]

Ya, the normal progression is the Qb coach moves up the ladder to be OC, as he's been working with the Qb's, both on technique as well as trying to understand concepts and schemes, when to audible, what to audible to, progressing through what reads on what plays etc. Hogan has done none of that at the pro level, and only had 1 year at the CIS level as a backup. That's a pretty big jump for anyone to make, and I think an unrealistic one to learn all that plus be the leader on calling the plays, making in game adjustments etc. And its not like he's coaching in a market like Toronto. Football matters here, it matters alot, arguably the most engaged fans in the league. I just feel for the guy as I don't think he can learn enough to lead and coach pro's who know more than him. What's he going to tell Zach Collaros about play execution, when he himself doesn't even know the playbook?? And aside for learning the playbook, he has to come up with new and innovative plays. It just doesn't make sense. It's like asking someone with Gr 8 math skills do 2nd year Calculus at U of M

[TecnoGenius]

I just feel for the guy as I don't think he can learn enough to lead and coach pro's who know more than him. What's he going to tell Zach Collaros about play execution, when he himself doesn't even know the playbook??

Hogan outlined his M.O. and plan pretty well in that article/interview about him back when he was signed.  It's a worthwhile read.

Basically he's leaning on a collaborative approach.  So he'll rely heavily on his unit coaches and key players.  The best people aren't the best at every detail underneath them, they are the best at choosing who their subordinates are and how to get the most out of them.  MOS is exactly this.

Whether a more bottom-up approach can work at OC or not remains to be seen.  As was already mentioned, maybe we'll see a looser leash for players (esp QB) to integrate their judgement.

[TecnoGenius]

I would bring in another nattering ram  to give him a break, and then get Danny finding us a good ole boy to create holes and run LBs over.

If you want a nattering ram, then sign my wife!  She'll dominate the entire league!

As her agent, the bidding starts at $500k/yr.

[Blueforlife]

Hogan outlined his M.O. and plan pretty well in that article/interview about him back when he was signed.  It's a worthwhile read.

Basically he's leaning on a collaborative approach.  So he'll rely heavily on his unit coaches and key players.  The best people aren't the best at every detail underneath them, they are the best at choosing who their subordinates are and how to get the most out of them.  MOS is exactly this.

Whether a more bottom-up approach can work at OC or not remains to be seen.  As was already mentioned, maybe we'll see a looser leash for players (esp QB) to integrate their judgement.

Well said, I strongly believe the early criticism of our new OC is way over stated.