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[pjrocksmb]

Medlock is 38, dude. I'm pretty sure he was dealing with back problems and contemplated retirement for the last few years of his playing career.

Had nothing to do with money. Zero.

Agree and to suggest that we spend even more an a kicker than what we paid Medlock is a stretch

[Blue In BC]

Agree and to suggest that we spend even more an a kicker than what we paid Medlock is a stretch

Techo's concept of creating some sort of exclusion in the SMS in order to pay any kicker ( or any position for that matter ) was bizarre in the 1st place.

[guyinfla89]

Bottom line, we can't win the GC this year unless we have a kicker who can deliver under pressure.  Do we have one now?  Looks kind of iffy.

[Blue In BC]

Bottom line, we can't win the GC this year unless we have a kicker who can deliver under pressure.  Do we have one now?  Looks kind of iffy.

No way to know that with any certainty. Whether knowing if our kicker will be consistent on the day, or whether any number of FG's is relevant in that game is a TBD.

[Tee42]

Bottom line, we can't win the GC this year unless we have a kicker who can deliver under pressure.  Do we have one now?  Looks kind of iffy.

There?s no way we are winning the grey cup with the way this team has been playing. We don?t win a grey cup without an online, we don?t win a  Grey cup without a quarterback, we don?t win a grey cup without special teams.

[pjrocksmb]

There?s no way we are winning the grey cup with the way this team has been playing. We don?t win a grey cup without an online, we don?t win a  Grey cup without a quarterback, we don?t win a grey cup without special teams.

He have a good OL that has had a shown some weakness this year
We have the best QB in the league
Other than a few missed kicks out ST are fine
9 and 1

[TecnoGenius]

Medlock is 38, dude. I'm pretty sure he was dealing with back problems and contemplated retirement for the last few years of his playing career.

Had nothing to do with money. Zero.

Oh, it's 100% to do with money.  The only question is "how much?".

If you don't think Meddy would have flown back up for $100k more, then let's say $200k more.  No?  $300k more.  There is some amount that would bring him up.  He's human.  And 38 is nothing compared to McCallum.

My idea to pay K's more ex-SMS is similar to my past one to pay NAT OL more ex-SMS.  I'm basically looking at what is hurting the league the most and thinking of ways to retain the talent.  In both cases (NAT OL and K) I feel the lack of higher pay is costing the league good talent to retirement.  (Yes, NAT OL stars make bank, but the lesser C's and some guards don't.)

[TecnoGenius]

I grew up watching in a time when the field goal was far from automatic. Dave Cutler for example, a hall of famer if there ever was one, was 58.7% lifetime. Percentage has been going up steadily over time until this year. It has to be an anomaly.

I think the league-wide kicking problems started more in 2021 than 2022.  It's just getting worse this year.

You are right that in the "olden days" kicking was even worse and 58% was acceptable.  But they weren't as "specialist" as they are now.  But kicking quality was very high for around a decade to about 2019.  Might that have been the pinnacle in CFL?

I wonder if, absent some radical ideas, we aren't stuck with a downward trajectory in kicker quality for years to come.

[pjrocksmb]

Oh, it's 100% to do with money.  The only question is "how much?".

If you don't think Meddy would have flown back up for $100k more, then let's say $200k more.  No?  $300k more.  There is some amount that would bring him up.  He's human.  And 38 is nothing compared to McCallum.

My idea to pay K's more ex-SMS is similar to my past one to pay NAT OL more ex-SMS.  I'm basically looking at what is hurting the league the most and thinking of ways to retain the talent.  In both cases (NAT OL and K) I feel the lack of higher pay is costing the league good talent to retirement.  (Yes, NAT OL stars make bank, but the lesser C's and some guards don't.)

Imo Those figures are no realistic, wasn't going to happen, isn't going to happen

[dd]

Oh, it's 100% to do with money.  The only question is "how much?".

If you don't think Meddy would have flown back up for $100k more, then let's say $200k more.  No?  $300k more.  There is some amount that would bring him up.  He's human.  And 38 is nothing compared to McCallum.

My idea to pay K's more ex-SMS is similar to my past one to pay NAT OL more ex-SMS.  I'm basically looking at what is hurting the league the most and thinking of ways to retain the talent.  In both cases (NAT OL and K) I feel the lack of higher pay is costing the league good talent to retirement.  (Yes, NAT OL stars make bank, but the lesser C's and some guards don't.)

Paying kickers more isn?t realistic and even if you did, there?s no guarantee they still don?t miss kicks, they all miss them, even pretty boy meelock missed his fair share. Every kicker in this league takes his turn at missing a clutch kick. Bede missed a PAT this year vs us and paredes missed the last play to win it kick vs us last year. Big deal. It happens, deal with it.

By your logic we should pay receivers more and they?d never drop a pass and Qb s more
And they?d complete all our their passes. Crazy crazy thinking

[TecnoGenius]

By your logic we should pay receivers more and they?d never drop a pass and Qb s more
And they?d complete all our their passes. Crazy crazy thinking

I'm not sure what people don't understand about the bell curve and the averages.  Everyone knows the kicking averages have been down the last 2 seasons.  All I'm doing is saying they are down because the average kicker quality is down.  Anyone dispute this?

So I propose a solution: improve the average kicker quality in the CFL.  How do we do that?  I gave one idea.  I don't know if it's the correct idea, but at least it's something.

There is no doubt whatsoever had Medlock stayed in the league (i.e. started in 2021) that he'd be better than 6 or 7 of the starting kickers.  Therefore, he would raise the average.  Apply that to a couple of more kickers and the average goes up even higher.

Ok, so follow the logic one more step.  How could the CFL have retained Medlock?  Money.  How much?  I don't know, but every healthy guy eyeing retirement has a "price" he would keep working for.  Same in any job.

It's simple logical steps.  I'm not saying do this, or that it will happen (in fact I pretty much guarantee it won't) but it is an idea that would possibly address the problem.

Or we just sit here with most kickers missing a PAT or sub-45 FG every other week, and then wonder why the Americans won't take the CFL seriously.

What's your solution?  Or do we see even more missed PATs and 30 yarders league-wide next year?  And the year after...

[Jesse]

I'm not sure what people don't understand about the bell curve and the averages.  Everyone knows the kicking averages have been down the last 2 seasons.  All I'm doing is saying they are down because the average kicker quality is down.  Anyone dispute this?

So I propose a solution: improve the average kicker quality in the CFL.  How do we do that?  I gave one idea.  I don't know if it's the correct idea, but at least it's something.

There is no doubt whatsoever had Medlock stayed in the league (i.e. started in 2021) that he'd be better than 6 or 7 of the starting kickers.  Therefore, he would raise the average.  Apply that to a couple of more kickers and the average goes up even higher.

Ok, so follow the logic one more step.  How could the CFL have retained Medlock?  Money.  How much?  I don't know, but every healthy guy eyeing retirement has a "price" he would keep working for.  Same in any job.

It's simple logical steps.  I'm not saying do this, or that it will happen (in fact I pretty much guarantee it won't) but it is an idea that would possibly address the problem.

Or we just sit here with most kickers missing a PAT or sub-45 FG every other week, and then wonder why the Americans won't take the CFL seriously.

What's your solution?  Or do we see even more missed PATs and 30 yarders league-wide next year?  And the year after...

Giant eye roll.

[dd]

Giant eye roll.

Oh my gosh yes

[bomb squad]

I'm not sure what people don't understand about the bell curve and the averages.  Everyone knows the kicking averages have been down the last 2 seasons.  All I'm doing is saying they are down because the average kicker quality is down.  Anyone dispute this?

So I propose a solution: improve the average kicker quality in the CFL.  How do we do that?  I gave one idea.  I don't know if it's the correct idea, but at least it's something.

There is no doubt whatsoever had Medlock stayed in the league (i.e. started in 2021) that he'd be better than 6 or 7 of the starting kickers.  Therefore, he would raise the average.  Apply that to a couple of more kickers and the average goes up even higher.

Ok, so follow the logic one more step.  How could the CFL have retained Medlock?  Money.  How much?  I don't know, but every healthy guy eyeing retirement has a "price" he would keep working for.  Same in any job.

It's simple logical steps.  I'm not saying do this, or that it will happen (in fact I pretty much guarantee it won't) but it is an idea that would possibly address the problem.

Or we just sit here with most kickers missing a PAT or sub-45 FG every other week, and then wonder why the Americans won't take the CFL seriously.

What's your solution?  Or do we see even more missed PATs and 30 yarders league-wide next year?  And the year after...

I get your logic (your quoted poster clearly did not). It's interesting, although I think the argument can be reframed in a more general sense to "if we paid the players more money would we get better players?". Of course the answer is yes.
What I'm really wondering about however is the bolded. You've said something very similar on here before and got a fairly strong negative reaction shall we say. Do you recall that? And now you've said it again. Fair enough. So the question is, why is it so important to you what Americans think of the CFL? Now sure, I think everyone would agree that growth in the popularity of our game in the U.S would be a good thing, but this seems like a different issue. More like a validation thing or something. I'm not trying to pick on you or attack you, I have heard similar statements from others and am always a little taken aback when I hear them. Just would like to get your reaction. Am I off base with this?  If you don't care to respond, fair enough, I will drop it no problem.

[Waffler]

The field goal SHOULDN'T be automatic. The less the better as far as I am concerned. I want to see touchdowns. They have introduced rules to make it a riskier proposition like scrimmage at the point of the missed kick, wasn't always this way kids. NFL moved the goal posts to discourage field goals. They also talk about making the goal posts more narrow. So should we really be upset at a downward trend in averages?

Paying more for kickers is not the answer. It's traditionally a Canadian position for a reason. Some don't even consider them "real" football players. Comments by Doug Brown and Peyton Manning come to mind.