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Question: Rate your confidence in Leggs
High - mistakes happen, he is our longer term kicker - 17 (24.6%)
Medium - let the kid learn, give him some more rope - 27 (39.1%)
Low - can't miss 2 in a row like that, put him on short leash - 15 (21.7%)
Zero -Look for a new place kicker now - 10 (14.5%)
Total Voters: 69

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« on: August 12, 2022, 09:41:01 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2022, 02:37:05 AM »

I rated him high. Yes he has some more development and maturity to add to his skill set. The question about any player is do you have someone that is better. The answer is clearly not at the moment.

Now if the Stamps want to trade Paredes to us for a six pack of Pepsi and are willing to absorb most of his 2022 SMS, I'd be interested.

Liegghio could focus on punting as he learns from him etc etc.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2022, 02:59:53 AM »

Not really a fair question as you can have confidence in him to do ok in most regular season games, and confidence he'll improve, but simultaneously question his ability in last-play kicks and playoff situations...

AND still think we need to look for a playoff kicker.

You know who will probably be somewhat available come playoff time?  Castillo.  If all else fails, you could trade for Castillo right at the deadline.  EDM won't be in the playoffs.  EDM can have him back next year and we keep dev'ing Leggs.
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2022, 03:12:13 AM »

My impression before the first miss that Leggs was feeling the pressure , I think generally he has been kicking well but what he has to improve on is the metal part of the pressure kicks.
And I am not sure anyone else would agree but it seemed to me the holding was not very good. I am not sure what the issue was but on the one it seemed to me the ball came down late.
And on the other the holder held the ball differently than I what I am used to seeing at the same time I would be looking for the best FA PKs if I was the Bombers GM.
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2022, 03:59:19 AM »

Leggs got away fairly easy Thurs. night, the game ended abruptly and the fans were shocked into silence by disbelief.  If he makes the unfortunate mistake of flubbing multiple makeable kicks again this season at home, IGF fans will be waiting to voice their displeasure for this loss.
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2022, 08:35:33 AM »

My impression before the first miss that Leggs was feeling the pressure , I think generally he has been kicking well but what he has to improve on is the metal part of the pressure kicks.
And I am not sure anyone else would agree but it seemed to me the holding was not very good. I am not sure what the issue was but on the one it seemed to me the ball came down late.
And on the other the holder held the ball differently than I what I am used to seeing at the same time I would be looking for the best FA PKs if I was the Bombers GM.


It looks like the hold was a little slow. I think it threw Leggs off, but next time I would expect he'll be ready. The holder could pull the ball away if it's not going to work. He'll learn from his mistakes like everybody does, I'm sure.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2022, 11:11:54 AM »

You will never regret the ones you fire.
Why? well there is a reason for it.
Historically, this guy has sucked as a pro. Historically he. Has proven to be not reliable.

It's a simple Question.
Do you want this guy kicking the ? field goal when something coveted is on the line?

You all will probably say no.
This isn't Day care, or pop warner where everyone plays. Or everyone gets a participation medal.
When he chokes, he costs his teammates potential bonuses and playoff money.

Bring that guy back. Who was here but walked out during training camp.  Never mind the crappy indoor guy, either.  One of the teams must have a. Kicker on the PR. Get him. Or trade for Castillo .

The team has a potential three more years to contend with their ancient roster.  Do you want to see management piss it away, like. The Jets did.?
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2022, 11:58:48 AM »

Cut 8 times.  Who you ask? Justin Medlock.  Also cut 8 times, Bob Cameron.

Myself I remain convinced we have a good kicker, the snap and hold I am not sold on. Needs to be consistent and bullet like speed. I think we could benefit from bringing in a specialist, perhaps even Medlock himself, for a few days to break down what we are doing right and what needs work.

From an old article on Bluebombers.com

Watching Justin Medlock at any Bomber practice this past season is a bit like peering over the shoulder of a master craftsman. He spent hours working with long snapper Chad Rempel and also with holders Weston Dressler and Matt Nichols on the art of holding.

And yes, all of this is like art to Medlock. It?s his craft and he will not settle. Get this: Even after all he?s done this season, he still figures there?s more to learn, more room for improvement.

?I just think in order to be a true pro you?ve got to take your craft seriously,? he said. ?I?m very knowledgeable with the kicking game and special teams in general. Just the knowledge of kicking helps me? some people just think about the kicking and it comes down to everybody, from the snap to the hold, but those guys have really helped me.

https://www.bluebombers.com/2016/11/22/long-read-the-medlock-story/
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2022, 12:02:15 PM »

The hold was messed up on the first kick. Benson snapped the ball off and Prucop had to reach. When leggs kicked the ball the timing was thrown off.  Benson was off all night snapping the ball all over the place. The overtime kick was unlucky it hit the post. Move on. The whole team played terrible. We needed to lose and it happened.  The team wanted this game over so they could get a by week.
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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2022, 12:06:54 PM »

Cut 8 times.  Who you ask? Justin Medlock.  Also cut 8 times, Bob Cameron.

Myself I remain convinced we have a good kicker, the snap and hold I am not sold on. Needs to be consistent and bullet like speed. I think we could benefit from bringing in a specialist, perhaps even Medlock himself, for a few days to break down what we are doing right and what needs work.

From an old article on Bluebombers.com

Watching Justin Medlock at any Bomber practice this past season is a bit like peering over the shoulder of a master craftsman. He spent hours working with long snapper Chad Rempel and also with holders Weston Dressler and Matt Nichols on the art of holding.

And yes, all of this is like art to Medlock. It?s his craft and he will not settle. Get this: Even after all he?s done this season, he still figures there?s more to learn, more room for improvement.

?I just think in order to be a true pro you?ve got to take your craft seriously,? he said. ?I?m very knowledgeable with the kicking game and special teams in general. Just the knowledge of kicking helps me? some people just think about the kicking and it comes down to everybody, from the snap to the hold, but those guys have really helped me.

https://www.bluebombers.com/2016/11/22/long-read-the-medlock-story/


He was not well liked. Aggressive with the snapper holder. I guess being a vet makes it OK. Leggs needs to work with Benson and holder ? That keeps changing. They need time to work it out.   

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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2022, 12:19:29 PM »

Not really a fair question as you can have confidence in him to do ok in most regular season games, and confidence he'll improve, but simultaneously question his ability in last-play kicks and playoff situations...

AND still think we need to look for a playoff kicker.

You know who will probably be somewhat available come playoff time?  Castillo.  If all else fails, you could trade for Castillo right at the deadline.  EDM won't be in the playoffs.  EDM can have him back next year and we keep dev'ing Leggs.



Nope, nope and nope. Barring injury Liegghio will be our kicker all of 2022. We won't be trading for a kicker out of the play offs because of your perceived need for a " play off " quality kicker.

Liegghio has a better current success rate than Castillo at the moment BTW.
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2022, 01:41:50 PM »

You will never regret the ones you fire.
Why? well there is a reason for it.
Historically, this guy has sucked as a pro. Historically he. Has proven to be not reliable.

It's a simple Question.
Do you want this guy kicking the ? field goal when something coveted is on the line?

You all will probably say no.
This isn't Day care, or pop warner where everyone plays. Or everyone gets a participation medal.
When he chokes, he costs his teammates potential bonuses and playoff money.

Bring that guy back. Who was here but walked out during training camp.  Never mind the crappy indoor guy, either.  One of the teams must have a. Kicker on the PR. Get him. Or trade for Castillo .

The team has a potential three more years to contend with their ancient roster.  Do you want to see management piss it away, like. The Jets did.?

Geez. Step back from the ledge.
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2022, 02:11:09 PM »

Holders

Prukop:

FG 4 of 7, convert 12 of 13  80%

Mancusco:

FG 14 of 16, convert 13 of 16  84%

Still think the whole operation needs work. Not sure we have the coaches here to do it.
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2022, 02:33:50 PM »


Nope, nope and nope. Barring injury Liegghio will be our kicker all of 2022. We won't be trading for a kicker out of the play offs because of your perceived need for a " play off " quality kicker.

Liegghio has a better current success rate than Castillo at the moment BTW.

I'm fine with that as long as the Bombers never put Leggs in a position to determine the outcome of a playoff game.
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2022, 03:18:11 PM »

I'm fine with that as long as the Bombers never put Leggs in a position to determine the outcome of a playoff game.

And how do you propose we do that? We can't determine the outcome on the next play let alone what situation we might be during a playoff game. Add to that weather will also become a factor, wet cold and wind for a game probably played in Winnipeg.

It's no different than being in the position on offence needing to score with 1:30 left in our end on 3rd and 15.  Everybody has a role to achieve to avoid tenuous situations.



The best solution is for the rest of the team to wind up with a significant lead.
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