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« Reply #930 on: May 26, 2022, 08:34:31 PM »

Apparently the Jets will match any offer that Barry gets. Money is not the issue. It will come down to where he wants to coach next season. Winnipeg, Vegas, Dallas, Philly.

If the rumours are accurate and he wants to step into a GM role in the near future, it'll be on TNSE and Cheveldayoff to facilitate that here. If money is no object, perhaps offering Trotz a HC/AGM role immediately could entice him to come to Winnipeg. Cheveldayoff's inching closer to 15 years as GM, so perhaps him stepping into a VP of hockey ops role once his contract is up (2025) would open up the GM role for Trotz (having now some experience with managerial expectations) who could then hire his replacement at HC.

Pure speculation on my part, just to be clear. That'd be my ideal scenario, anyway.
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« Reply #931 on: May 27, 2022, 11:11:02 AM »

If the rumours are accurate and he wants to step into a GM role in the near future, it'll be on TNSE and Cheveldayoff to facilitate that here. If money is no object, perhaps offering Trotz a HC/AGM role immediately could entice him to come to Winnipeg. Cheveldayoff's inching closer to 15 years as GM, so perhaps him stepping into a VP of hockey ops role once his contract is up (2025) would open up the GM role for Trotz (having now some experience with managerial expectations) who could then hire his replacement at HC.

Pure speculation on my part, just to be clear. That'd be my ideal scenario, anyway.

I think that's what Jeff Hamilton was speculating. He says we're the only team prepared to do that as well.
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« Reply #932 on: May 27, 2022, 12:05:48 PM »

With the coach having some GM capacity, we will get a quick sense of what it going on in the room...

Hoping Trotz gets the gig, it also leaves an exit strategy for Chevy.  Bonus.
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« Reply #933 on: May 31, 2022, 08:26:53 PM »

Murat Ates reporting on Scott Arniel quite possibly joining the Jets in an associate coaching role:

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3341401%2F2022%2F05%2F31%2Fwinnipeg-jets-scott-arniel-trotz-coach%2F
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« Reply #934 on: May 31, 2022, 08:31:29 PM »

Murat Ates reporting on Scott Arniel quite possibly joining the Jets in an associate coaching role:

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3341401%2F2022%2F05%2F31%2Fwinnipeg-jets-scott-arniel-trotz-coach%2F

I think this would be a good move by the Jets.
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« Reply #935 on: May 31, 2022, 09:10:38 PM »

Coaches hire associates... if Trotz like Arniel, and wants to train him up to take over when he moves to GM, then this is good. 

But if Trotz sees Arniel as competition, or Chevy's guy to replace Trotz at the first sign of trouble, then this is a horrible idea. 

We do not know which it is, or if it is something in between...
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« Reply #936 on: May 31, 2022, 09:49:54 PM »

Coaches hire associates... if Trotz like Arniel, and wants to train him up to take over when he moves to GM, then this is good. 

But if Trotz sees Arniel as competition, or Chevy's guy to replace Trotz at the first sign of trouble, then this is a horrible idea. 

We do not know which it is, or if it is something in between...


Or nothing at all, and your just making things up.
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« Reply #937 on: May 31, 2022, 10:00:25 PM »

Or nothing at all, and your just making things up.

What?  What am I making up. please explain.

The media is full of Scott Arniel to the Jets reports.

We all want Trotz.

My statements illustrate what I see as two of the likely combinations of those two things.

And yes, these are my conjectures.  Anyone's "opinions" are "just making things up".
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« Reply #938 on: June 01, 2022, 01:02:34 PM »

From what the media has reported, there is nothing to suggest Trotz sees Arniel as "competition" regarding the HC vacancy with the Jets and the latter joining the organization doesn't necessarily affect the former or his aspirations.

If the Jets are as serious about getting Trotz as they seem to be, hiring Arniel wouldn't make sense in that regard unless it's limited to an associate/assistant role.
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« Reply #939 on: June 01, 2022, 01:15:47 PM »

What?  What am I making up. please explain.

The media is full of Scott Arniel to the Jets reports.

We all want Trotz.

My statements illustrate what I see as two of the likely combinations of those two things.

And yes, these are my conjectures.  Anyone's "opinions" are "just making things up".

Trotz can and will bring anyone he wants with him, but that doesn't mean he will come in and fill in the whole staff.

Wade Flaherty will be our goalie coach next year, for example.
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« Reply #940 on: June 01, 2022, 03:54:34 PM »

Trotz can and will bring anyone he wants with him, but that doesn't mean he will come in and fill in the whole staff.

Wade Flaherty will be our goalie coach next year, for example.

I'm not so sure about Flaherty.. I've seen both references, to him being offered a new contract, and to him possibly being dismissed with the rest... the Jets site still has the entire old staff still listed.

I have also seen reference to Trotz bringing Mitch Korn wherever he lands...



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« Reply #941 on: June 01, 2022, 04:01:44 PM »

What?  What am I making up. please explain.

Coaches hire associates... if Trotz like Arniel, and wants to train him up to take over when he moves to GM, then this is good. 

But if Trotz sees Arniel as competition, or Chevy's guy to replace Trotz at the first sign of trouble, then this is a horrible idea. 


We do not know which it is, or if it is something in between...


It's just that you came up with two scenarios based on the assumptions that Trotz has his eye on becoming GM and that Chevy is on his way out (after receiving an multi-year extension).

You've created this narrative based on your dislike of Chevy ever since the sexual abuse case but the reality is unfolding quite differently.

I bet if the Jets draft a 2 way centre you will say that this is a Trotz (bc he's the GM-in-waiting) plan to oust Scheifele and rebuild a team that has a clear identity.
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« Reply #942 on: June 01, 2022, 04:21:48 PM »

It's pretty dubious behaviour - not to mention poor form - to make claims without actually substantiating them.

The most recent report (tweeted by Seravalli on May 2) was that Flaherty would be the only coach retained: https://illegalcurve.com/seravalli-report-winnipeg-jets-are-planning-complete-overhaul-of-their-coaching-staff/

And of course the Jets website still has the coaching staff listed - none of them have been fired. That doesn't stop the organization from looking for replacements, though.

I bet if the Jets draft a 2 way centre you will say that this is a Trotz (bc he's the GM-in-waiting) plan to oust Scheifele and rebuild a team that has a clear identity.

LOL Cheesy

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« Reply #943 on: June 01, 2022, 04:45:07 PM »

It's just that you came up with two scenarios based on the assumptions that Trotz has his eye on becoming GM and that Chevy is on his way out (after receiving an multi-year extension).

You've created this narrative based on your dislike of Chevy ever since the sexual abuse case but the reality is unfolding quite differently.

I bet if the Jets draft a 2 way centre you will say that this is a Trotz (bc he's the GM-in-waiting) plan to oust Scheifele and rebuild a team that has a clear identity.

Has it not been widely reported that Trotz is looking to transition to a GM role, and that might be the sweetener that tilts his decision towards the Jets, with Chevy moving to a VP role?  I certainly didn't come up with that out of the blue.

It's pretty dubious behaviour - not to mention poor form - to make claims without actually substantiating them.

The most recent report (tweeted by Seravalli on May 2) was that Flaherty would be the only coach retained: https://illegalcurve.com/seravalli-report-winnipeg-jets-are-planning-complete-overhaul-of-their-coaching-staff/

And of course the Jets website still has the coaching staff listed - none of them have been fired. That doesn't stop the organization from looking for replacements, though.

LOL Cheesy

**chef's kiss**

Unless Serivalli is working for the Jets, that's not really substantiation, just quoting someone else's speculation.  No different that I did (although I didn't quote the sources, but they are all readily available through Google)
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« Reply #944 on: June 01, 2022, 05:44:59 PM »

Has it not been widely reported that Trotz is looking to transition to a GM role, and that might be the sweetener that tilts his decision towards the Jets, with Chevy moving to a VP role?  I certainly didn't come up with that out of the blue.

Unless Serivalli is working for the Jets, that's not really substantiation, just quoting someone else's speculation.  No different that I did (although I didn't quote the sources, but they are all readily available through Google)

In the first part, you quote speculation. Then in the second part, you refuse to acknowledge what you call speculation - just as an example as to why you're getting a hard time here.

But as to the first part, the specualation refers to Trotz wanting to transition into the personnel side of thins - that doesn't mean jump to the GM chair. There's a number of roles to be had.
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