What is the cutoff

Started by theaardvark, July 29, 2024, 07:39:38 PM

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theaardvark

Do we wait for mathematical elimination, or do we start sooner?

When do we start using "next years" players in live game snaps.  Even if they are not better now that current players?

We are already playing a lot of them with the injuries we have, but when players come back, do they slot back in, or have to win the spot back?

We all know, year to year, there are changes made necessary by $SMS causing bidding wars that take players out of budget.  And the key is having players ready to step in.

Is there a time, a number of losses, that triggers "reload" and we start giving players we hope will start next year a chance to play full games and meaningful snaps?

Or do we stick with every veteran to the final snap of the season, and hope we can get what is going to be a different crew up to speed in camp with 2 Preseason games?



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TBURGESS

We've got 2 against BC & 2 against SKN. Assuming both are splits, they get the tie breakers so we'd have to win more games than each of them to get 1st or 2nd. I think we can kiss 1st & 2nd goodbye. 

We have the tie breaker with Calgary, but they are 1 win ahead with a game in hand. That's our best shot of backing into the playoffs IMO. 

Toronto, the 3rd team in the east is already 2 wins ahead of us, have a game in hand, and only need to tie our win # to get the eastern playoff spot. 
Winnipeg Blue Bombers - 2019 Grey Cup Champs.

The Zipp

pretty simple answer - you play to win with your best players until there is no chance at playoffs, then and only then do you start experimenting.  There are always enough injuries to get looks at new players.

BlueInCgy

As long as Calgary is within striking distance we won't change.  We should, but we won't.

Nic16

Quote from: BlueInCgy on July 29, 2024, 07:52:59 PMAs long as Calgary is within striking distance we won't change.  We should, but we won't.

This unfortunately is what I keep saying to my circle of f&f.

I'd love to be proven wrong, but Osh is showing he's stubbornly loyal to a fault. And the Canadian Mafia is a tight knit group that to this point show no cracks in the family.

BomberFan73

Who specifically are we talking about playing more?

QB WIlson?  Maybe the odd snap
WR Wilson?  He ain't coming out of the lineup
I'd like to see some changes on the Oline....are Vanterpool & Randolph worth keeping around next year?
Garbutt's gonna get a ton of snaps from here out. Hubert too.  Can Schmekel beat out Jake? 
AT LB we'd do good to get a good look at Ayers
DB, no real changes, but have to think this is Alexander's last year.

gobombersgo

Something to consider:

As per Article 15 of the CBA, players of certain veteran status must be paid their full salary, pension, playoff and Grey Cup earnings if they are released after a certain point in the season.

Qualified as a Veteran of   Entitled to 100% salary after
Six years or more   9th Regular Season game

Five years   10th Regular Season game

Four years   11th Regular Season game

Nic16

I know we would never pull a Wally, but if you dump a vet or 2 before the stated deadline, you could use the saved $$ for re-signing upcoming FA's or to re-negotiate vet contracts before year end.

bwiser

Its too early to give up on the season. There is still time to turn this around. The defense and special teams are coming around and Colleros has played okay, not great. The biggest problem is the O line which is currently one of the worst in the league. If we get Lawler and maybe Bailey in the lineup I think the receivers will be fine. The Bombers are not likely to have a home playoff game but finishing in third in the west and going into the playoffs on a roll and maybe getting back to the Grey Cup is not impossible. The Bombers finished in third in 2019 so they know they can do it.

ichabod_crane

Quote from: bwiser on July 29, 2024, 09:43:16 PMIts too early to give up on the season. There is still time to turn this around. The defense and special teams are coming around and Colleros has played okay, not great. The biggest problem is the O line which is currently one of the worst in the league. If we get Lawler and maybe Bailey in the lineup I think the receivers will be fine. The Bombers are not likely to have a home playoff game but finishing in third in the west and going into the playoffs on a roll and maybe getting back to the Grey Cup is not impossible. The Bombers finished in third in 2019 so they know they can do it.

There is still time with Calgary crapping the bed too. WE got Edmonton still twice, Cats twice although they have looked better. Then again Edmonton is atrocious and probably goes 0-18 this season maybe!! :)  So jury still out on the Cats if they have turned things around or it's just a mirage.

Have given away GIMME games this year all too often. Now little wiggle room. Even cross over looking unlikely unless they get on a real roll. Third place in west is what they probably can at best hope for... DON'T FORGET They won it all in 2019 finishing in third place. No team has won the Cup with an under .500 record so that is kind of the target point although records are ALWAYS MADE TO BE BROKEN!! Ottawa almost won the cup in 1981 with a 5-11 record. Only a last second fg by Edmonton stole the game from Ottawa and AGAIN ref's ripped Ottawa off late in that game (double pass interference with tony gabriel----is such a thing even possible?). NEVER WILL FORGET THAT ripoff job + John Helton VERY VERY QUESTIONABLE late hit on Warren Moon in 1982 western final. Some major referee gaffs you somehow don't forget as a youngin'! :)

Blueforlife

Not over till labour day at the very least

You go 9 rounds and you go down swinging

Beaten, bruised and knocked down twice but I didn't here no final bell

Ding ding we fight till the end

Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: theaardvark on July 29, 2024, 07:39:38 PMDo we wait for mathematical elimination, or do we start sooner?

When do we start using "next years" players in live game snaps.  Even if they are not better now that current players?

We are already playing a lot of them with the injuries we have, but when players come back, do they slot back in, or have to win the spot back?

We all know, year to year, there are changes made necessary by $SMS causing bidding wars that take players out of budget.  And the key is having players ready to step in.

Is there a time, a number of losses, that triggers "reload" and we start giving players we hope will start next year a chance to play full games and meaningful snaps?

Or do we stick with every veteran to the final snap of the season, and hope we can get what is going to be a different crew up to speed in camp with 2 Preseason games?

I don't really think we have any 'next year' players on the roster because the concept doesn't exist.

We have starters and we have rostered backups and we have practice roster players.

You don't play practice roster players if you have someone better on the roster. If you like the way a player projects, but don't think they're ready yet, then rushing them in before they're ready is not really in the player's best interest (or the team's). Not to mention there are SMS implications to doing so if you're not going to release the current starter.

Next year's positions are won in training camp next year.


dd

#12
1St or 2nd place?? Surely you are joking...

We play our best, try our best and let the chips fall where they may.

No way, no how does any team MOS coaches quit and no way no how does MOS quit, not in his DNA, not in our players DNA.

Say what you want about the Bombers, they didn't quit like some of the Elks did last night. They have serious trouble in Edmonton. Jackson and MBT are not the answer and the players know that

Jesse

Not even going to entertain this conversation at this point of the season. Not a single team has pulled away. We're within 1 win of a play-off spot.
My wife is amazing!

BlueInCgy

#14
Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 29, 2024, 11:32:41 PMNo team has won the Cup with an under .500 record so that is kind of the target point although records are ALWAYS MADE TO BE BROKEN!! Ottawa almost won the cup in 1981 with a 5-11 record. Only a last second fg by Edmonton stole the game from Ottawa and AGAIN ref's ripped Ottawa off late in that game (double pass interference with tony gabriel----is such a thing even possible?). NEVER WILL FORGET THAT ripoff job + John Helton VERY VERY QUESTIONABLE late hit on Warren Moon in 1982 western final. Some major referee gaffs you somehow don't forget as a youngin'! :)

The Marcus Crandall lead Stampeders would like to contest your argument.
And the 2000 Lions
And the 2016 Redblacks

8-10 teams have faired relatively well in the GC in recent history.  But 8-10 is a pipe dream for us right now.