What is the cutoff

[blue_gold_84]

This is not a discussion about starting a rebuild, its is a discussion about when to we start discussing a rebuild...

In that case, it renders this discussion even sillier, IMO.

That probably shouldn't occur until they're mathematically eliminated. And even then, I don't know that a rebuild would be necessary.

[Blueforlife]

Rocky rises off the mat in the waning seconds of the last round in Rocky II to win the heavyweight championship!

Maybe they need to bring Sly in for a psychological pick me up! YO ADRIAN!

Love it.  I think this is more like Rocky IV.  We do things old school.  We are against the ropes but we take the big Russian down LOL.

Hard yes to Sly, it's all in our head LOL.

[J5V]

Hard yes to Sly, it's all in our head LOL.

Agree, these next two games is where we really find out what we have going forward. I think we've unearthed a few gems, like Garbutt and Pokey. What we absolutely must recover from is the poor play from some of our vets like Zach, BO, Demski, Biggie, Alexander, Neufeld, etc. While I think Zach and BO may have recovered we did not anticipate all these struggles from our vets like this. We need these guys to step it up big time and we need continued contributions from the youngsters. Then we have a chance of making some noise in the second half. If our vets struggle and the injuries continue unabated we are in next year territory already and some hard decisions will need to be made.

[theaardvark]

So, with one more game until vets are guaranteed, and with a 6 game IR at capacity, its hard to make the "for the future" decision on players that might not quite be earning their pay, who we may have replacements for on the roster/pipeline.

Guys like Bryant, Neufeld, Bighill, who may be aging out, are too important for the rest of the year to cut them this soon, just in case.

If we do get mathematically eliminated, I really, really hope that we do rest the vets and play as many rooks as possible.

 

[Blue In BC]

So, with one more game until vets are guaranteed, and with a 6 game IR at capacity, its hard to make the "for the future" decision on players that might not quite be earning their pay, who we may have replacements for on the roster/pipeline.

Guys like Bryant, Neufeld, Bighill, who may be aging out, are too important for the rest of the year to cut them this soon, just in case.

If we do get mathematically eliminated, I really, really hope that we do rest the vets and play as many rooks as possible.

 

It's a timing issue. Since we can't cut those vets, adding players from the PR or free agents is an additional cost to the SMS.

Players have to agree to be moved to the 6 game IR and that would be the only way to gain SMS. Unless they are actually injured they aren't going to agree.

The league might have something to say if you parked several high SMS players all at once.

We could make Alexander,  Bighill and Thomas the rotation players and give the rookies or 2nd year players more playing time though.

[dd]

Calgary is 1 maybe 2 games ahead of us with 11 games to go. We can make up this ground . I hope we don't get eliminated but if we do we have to know **** sure who were retaining and who we aren't going into 2025, and if that means giving rooks some game time to evaluate them so be it.

[TecnoGenius]

I'm not interested in backing into the playoffs this year. I'm interested in starting the rebuild so we have a good team next year.

Not me.  My main goal is playoffs.  For one simple reason: if we stop getting new injuries we'll be almost at peak health come playoff time (only Shoen is gone until next year, out of all the stars).  Not only that, but the guys like Lawler won't have half a season of bruises and dings... they'll be fresh right as the opponent Ds are nursing bad ankles and bum knees.

Oh ya, fresh and HUNGRY.

Besides, everyone we want to get "looks" is getting looks right now, trust me.  What R haven't we gotten tons of looks at?  Who else do we need to "try out"?  Same with DBs, LBs, DL (my oh my DL!): even QB we got to see Strev start.

The only thing left to "get a look at" would be to try starting Wallace and Eli instead of ? and ?.  My opinion is you don't really want to see that!!  Careful what you wish for!

[TecnoGenius]

There's lots to suggest that backing into the playoff will be a bad outcome. Calling Stats Junkie... how many 3rd place teams made the cup compared to how many 3rd place teams didn't.

I'm not even eyeing that... I wouldn't rule out our team making the cup as the crossover team(!), if we finally get healthy and rolling late in the season.  If there's any group that can pull off miracles, it's this one.

Starting now has significant advantages:

• Dumping vets send a huge message to the ones that we keep.

Ya, the message is "we'll Chris Jones your butt because you are dirt and you better play well next week or you'll be next!".  Have you been watching MOS for a decade? That's not how he rolls.  Never gonna happen.

[TecnoGenius]

This is not a discussion about starting a rebuild, its is a discussion about when to we start discussing a rebuild...

Well that's super easy to answer: after the 2025 home GC season.  Everything revolves around that.

[TecnoGenius]

Love it.  I think this is more like Rocky IV.  We do things old school.  We are against the ropes but we take the big Russian down LOL.

Rocky wasn't getting beaten up for a zillion rounds, he was just wearing Drago out!

WPG isn't really losing all these games, we're just wearing our opponents out for the kill shot after labor day!

   

Well, probably not.  We're just taking punches to the face for no reason, basically.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Well that's super easy to answer: after the 2025 home GC season.  Everything revolves around that.

I think the idea of winning a G.C. at home in any circumstances is a Princesses fairy tale, it's a highly unlikely scenario that shouldn't be considered a logical goal for any team to expect to achieve. There's always a chance, but the odds are usually very slim, and putting faith in such odds always strikes me as being a bit naive.

[blue_gold_84]

I think the idea of winning a G.C. at home in any circumstances is a Princesses fairy tale, it's a highly unlikely scenario that shouldn't be considered a logical goal for any team to expect to achieve. There's always a chance, but the odds are usually very slim, and putting faith in such odds always strikes me as being a bit naive.

Even if the chances are slim, you still gotta make a push for it.

With the success this franchise and regime has had the last several years, the icing on the proverbial cake would be to win a championship on home field.

[Jesse]

Not me.  My main goal is playoffs.  For one simple reason: if we stop getting new injuries we'll be almost at peak health come playoff time (only Shoen is gone until next year, out of all the stars).  Not only that, but the guys like Lawler won't have half a season of bruises and dings... they'll be fresh right as the opponent Ds are nursing bad ankles and bum knees.

Oh ya, fresh and HUNGRY.

Besides, everyone we want to get "looks" is getting looks right now, trust me.  What R haven't we gotten tons of looks at?  Who else do we need to "try out"?  Same with DBs, LBs, DL (my oh my DL!): even QB we got to see Strev start.

The only thing left to "get a look at" would be to try starting Wallace and Eli instead of ? and ?.  My opinion is you don't really want to see that!!  Careful what you wish for!

Pretty much.

This season is this season. Not much we can do about next season right now even if we wanted to.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Even if the chances are slim, you still gotta make a push for it.

With the success this franchise and regime has had the last several years, the icing on the proverbial cake would be to win a championship on home field.

Not sure Zach can make that date, and without Zach doing his thing, it leaves an enormous hole in the game plan.

[blue_gold_84]

Not sure Zach can make that date, and without Zach doing his thing, it leaves an enormous hole in the game plan.

The WFC can cross that bridge in the off-season.