Bombers add Jarious Jackson, promote Hogan to OC

[theaardvark]

I remember thinking promoting Buck was going to end up badly and I was completely wrong.

I really think we are 5 time GC champs if Lapo had stuck here instead of Buck.  I don't put 100% of the blame on Buck, MOS takes some of the blame for trusting Buck...

[Pete]

I really think we are 5 time GC champs if Lapo had stuck here instead of Buck.  I don't put 100% of the blame on Buck, MOS takes some of the blame for trusting Buck...

memory is a fickle thing, when Lapo was here lots were complaining about his conservative offence. It may have been a product of who his personnel were, and I think he's grown since then. But I doubt the greycup outcomes would be different.(esp ly the argos d was that dominant)

[Jesse]

We fans really have absolutely no idea whether Hogan will be in way over his head, or whether he is a savant-OC-in-Waiting. I think that we'll know halfway through the 2025 season whether he is one, the other, or just meh.

O'Shea isn't stupid, and he has seemed to have a really good idea of what kind of person would fit into each role on our staff. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and completely reserve judgement on this decision.

One possibility - Jarious Jackson could be the safety net. If Hogan struggles well into the season, perhaps Jarious takes over.

A similar situation took place with Ben Johnson with the Detroit Lions in 2022. A relative nobody who got promoted out of the blue (outwardly to fans, but no-brainer to those within the coaching staff) who turned out to be one of the best OCs in the NFL.

Even if he's good, I'm struggling to understand why we felt the need to fast track him through the ranks so quickly.

He has zero pro playing experience. Zero coordinator or HC experience at lower levels. He only has 3 years experience at the lowest possible assistant coach level.

If we felt he needed a raise, we could have made him assistant OC in charge of RBs and WRs or something to have some experience with what his new duties will eventually be.

He has skipped a few steps so this is questionable until proven otherwise.

[Blueforlife]

Even if he's good, I'm struggling to understand why we felt the need to fast track him through the ranks so quickly.

He has zero pro playing experience. Zero coordinator or HC experience at lower levels. He only has 3 years experience at the lowest possible assistant coach level.

If we felt he needed a raise, we could have made him assistant OC in charge of RBs and WRs or something to have some experience with what his new duties will eventually be.

He has skipped a few steps so this is questionable until proven otherwise.

Disagree with most of what you have said, I trust the organization on this one.  My expectation is a slow start with a few bumps along the way and I believe. This will work out just fine imo.  There is a power in continuity.

[Jesse]

Disagree with most of what you have said, I trust the organization on this one.  My expectation is a slow start with a few bumps along the way and I believe. This will work out just fine imo.  There is a power in continuity.

You disagree that he has zero professional playing experience?

Or that he has never been an OC or HC at any level?

Or that his only experience is as an RB coach?

Or that he's jumped steps that coaches normally take before getting an OC position?

Because all of those things are true.

[blue_or_die]

Disagree with most of what you have said, I trust the organization on this one.  My expectation is a slow start with a few bumps along the way and I believe. This will work out just fine imo.  There is a power in continuity.

You disagree with facts? Those weren't opinions...

And once again, if by a few bumps you're talking about the horrible start we were lucky to survive last year, that's not acceptable. This is a home Grey Cup year (which we get once a decade, and coinciding when we have a great team). This is a time to go all in, not a time to take risks and make odd decisions.

Waiting until Labour Day to see if rolling the dice worked out is completely unacceptable.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

You disagree with facts? Those weren't opinions...

And once again, if by a few bumps you're talking about the horrible start we were lucky to survive last year, that's not acceptable. This is a home Grey Cup year (which we get once a decade, and coinciding when we have a great team). This is a time to go all in, not a time to take risks and make odd decisions.

Waiting until Labour Day to see if rolling the dice worked out is completely unacceptable.

The big question, is this the year another team finally steps up and steals the Bombers Western crown? I'm guessing the odds are 50/50, which would still make the Bombers the favourite.

[Blueforlife]

You disagree that he has zero professional playing experience? - obviously not, come on man

Or that he has never been an OC or HC at any level? obviously not, not sure why that really matters as he knows our system, I don't see why him not being a HC has anything to do with it

Or that his only experience is as an RB coach?  obviously not, but he has been in our system for a enough time to know more than you suggest

Or that he's jumped steps that coaches normally take before getting an OC position? This is a stretch, there is no set recipe for how to promote a coach, another huge stretch here bud

Because all of those things are true. - his experience is all accurate, you take on it has a bias to the negative imo

You disagree with facts? Those weren't opinions...

And once again, if by a few bumps you're talking about the horrible start we were lucky to survive last year, that's not acceptable. This is a home Grey Cup year (which we get once a decade, and coinciding when we have a great team). This is a time to go all in, not a time to take risks and make odd decisions.

Waiting until Labour Day to see if rolling the dice worked out is completely unacceptable.

See comments above on Jesse's post.  I disagree with Jesse's take on the promotion of the OC.  He is overstating the negative regarding this situation imo.  Yes he has stated facts about his history.  I am obviously not arguing against that, come on guys splitting hairs there.  Jesse has stated that we could have promoted him to an assistant RB or WR coach which I 100% disagree with.  He stated that he skipped a step, which I 100% disagree with.  We have promoted from within a person that the management has trust in that can do the job.  We have brought in a decent QB coach with lots of playing experience.  Non issue handled internally.  Some don't like this move I do.  Let's see how it works out before we are too critical of it.  Give the guy a chance.  He is surrounded by a good team and management.  I am very hopeful it works out.  I am not worried at all about our OC's lack of playing experience and don't think his previous coaching experience will play much a factor in his success this season. 

In terms of a slow start, I'm expecting it but not as bad as last year.  Lots of change.  If we secure a good OL, I'm a lot less worried.  Also need to fill a few big holes on D.  Change will bring some uncertainty on the players end.  A wee bit early to assess how we will start as we have a lot of player to sign yet and I can only bet a few studs come out of camp (hoping).

Coaching is fairly stable and not too worried there.

Let's leave it here guys, we are worlds apart on our take here.  That's ok.  Good debate but lets see how it shakes out 1st.

Having a inexperienced coach and a mentor for defense worked well last year, don't see why that can't again on O.  A little bit different situation there to be sure but has a similar feel imo.

[blue_or_die]

The big question, is this the year another team finally steps up and steals the Bombers Western crown? I'm guessing the odds are 50/50, which would still make the Bombers the favourite.

We're all obviously hoping that's not the case for this year given the circumstance, although it's impossible to just go to the Grey Cup every single year forever.

Realistically, what I want is for us to do whatever it takes to win this year and then the core can retire or move on. If we go to the Grey Cup 6 years in a row and win 3, one with me in attendance in my season ticket seat, I can simply die happy. I'll happily go to the stadium in 2026 and watch them lose with a smile on my face if that's the case. I've been waiting my whole fandom for us to be good like we are right now but understand that nothing lasts forever.

[markf]

Maybe what Ed Tait meant when he said it would not be a surprise, is that this is the way this team does things.

Ie. they (O'Shea) know this person, like him. He fits in.  They are sure  he can do the job. Are not worried about the learning curve. Maybe going from special teams to successful head  coach colours the view.

That's route ending in success happened only once in the recent CFL that I know of.

Guess we'll see.

I would rather have Jarious running it... last year alone.... his results in a bad situation showed his worth.

[ModAdmin]

Maybe what Ed Tait meant when he said it would not be a surprise, is that this is the way this team does things.

Ie. they (O'Shea) know this person, like him. He fits in.  They are sure  he can do the job. Are not worried about the learning curve. Maybe going from special teams to successful head  coach colours the view.

That's route ending in success happened once in the recent CFL that I know of.

Guess we'll see.

I would rather have Jarious running it... last year alone.... his results in a bad situation showed his worth.

Have to think Jarious will have a lot of input on the running of the offence.  Also have to think that Hogan would welcome that support and input.

[Blueforlife]

Have to think Jarious will have a lot of input on the running of the offence.  Also have to think that Hogan would welcome that support and input.

A great combo imo

[theaardvark]

You disagree with facts? Those weren't opinions...

And once again, if by a few bumps you're talking about the horrible start we were lucky to survive last year, that's not acceptable. This is a home Grey Cup year (which we get once a decade, and coinciding when we have a great team). This is a time to go all in, not a time to take risks and make odd decisions.

Waiting until Labour Day to see if rolling the dice worked out is completely unacceptable.

The start to last year, and the GC fiascos were orchestrated by a guy with a lot more experience, both as a player and a coach.

So I'm not sure how having those credentials are a guarantee of success.

Again, MOS has to live or die with Hogan's results, its his butt on the line here.  If he didn't think Hogan had the chops to do the job, Jackson or someone else gets the gig.

Younger/Hall
Hogan/Jackson

He made the move to Younger over Hall, and we had a pretty solid year on D.

No reason to doubt.

[Blueforlife]

The start to last year, and the GC fiascos were orchestrated by a guy with a lot more experience, both as a player and a coach.

So I'm not sure how having those credentials are a guarantee of success.

Again, MOS has to live or die with Hogan's results, its his butt on the line here.  If he didn't think Hogan had the chops to do the job, Jackson or someone else gets the gig.

Younger/Hall
Hogan/Jackson

He made the move to Younger over Hall, and we had a pretty solid year on D.

No reason to doubt.

We are really seeing eye to eye my friend.  Heavy agree all.  Love it.  Facts are presented above imo.

[blue_or_die]

The start to last year, and the GC fiascos were orchestrated by a guy with a lot more experience, both as a player and a coach.

So I'm not sure how having those credentials are a guarantee of success.

Again, MOS has to live or die with Hogan's results, its his butt on the line here.  If he didn't think Hogan had the chops to do the job, Jackson or someone else gets the gig.

Younger/Hall
Hogan/Jackson

He made the move to Younger over Hall, and we had a pretty solid year on D.

No reason to doubt.

This isn't about guarantees, it's about risk management.

Nobody complained about the Younger promotion because we had confidence he was the heir apparent. We do not have any such background or assurance.

As many have stated here already, the simple, non-wait and see solution would have just been to have Jarious as OC and have Hogan apprentice and gain experience gameplanning/calling under him as an asst OC.