Streveler signed to one year deal - updated topic

[theaardvark]

Not sure Pigrome has the build to be a CFL QB, even if the time/training was invested in him.  5'9, 206.  He's a little tank, for sure, but there is a lot that stature plays in, and that you have to overcome.

There were a few flashes of "raw talent", but if you can't develop, well...

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Not sure Pigrome has the build to be a CFL QB, even if the time/training was invested in him.  5'9, 206.  He's a little tank, for sure, but there is a lot that stature plays in, and that you have to overcome.

There were a few flashes of "raw talent", but if you can't develop, well...

He is short, but:

Kevin Glenn was 5'10", 203
Doug Flutie was 5'10", 180
Kyler Murray is 5'10", 207
Russell Wilson is 5'11", 215

[Jesse]

He is short, but:

Kevin Glenn was 5'10", 203
Doug Flutie was 5'10", 180
Kyler Murray is 5'10", 207
Russell Wilson is 5'11", 215

Your 4 examples over a time period that spans 30 years kinda proves the point.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Your 4 examples over a time period that spans 30 years kinda proves the point.

Proves what? It's hard to be a starting QB in pro football? It's even harder when you're short, no denying it, but the CFL is historically been a place more accepting of shorter QBs. I don't think Pigrome will amount to much in the CFL but he, along with a ton of guys who are 6' or bigger will also be cut before long.

[theaardvark]

He is short, but:

Kevin Glenn was 5'10", 203
Doug Flutie was 5'10", 180
Kyler Murray is 5'10", 207
Russell Wilson is 5'11", 215

All of those guys are actually taller than Piggy.

And I'm pretty sure all of those guys had pretty stellar Div 1 NCAA careers, a couple of Heismann winners, a first overall pick...

Piggy went undrafted ou of a Div II school.

But, yeah, a short guy can make it as an elite QB...

[Sir Blue and Gold]

All of those guys are actually taller than Piggy.

And I'm pretty sure all of those guys had pretty stellar Div 1 NCAA careers, a couple of Heismann winners, a first overall pick...

Piggy went undrafted ou of a Div II school.

But, yeah, a short guy can make it as an elite QB...

You're right. 5-9 might be too short if it's never been done before. I just mean that, in general, the CFL has been kinder to shorter quarterbacks and we've seen lots of sub 6-foot quarterbacks get good opportunities in Canada. Put it this way, I don't think it's his height that's going to disqualify him from a chance up here.

[theaardvark]

You're right. 5-9 might be too short if it's never been done before. I just mean that, in general, the CFL has been kinder to shorter quarterbacks and we've seen lots of sub 6-foot quarterbacks get good opportunities in Canada. Put it this way, I don't think it's his height that's going to disqualify him from a chance up here.

You can't coach height..  sure, we have had more successful short QB's, because there are talented guys out there that being less than 6' eliminated them from consideration for the NFL.

Piggy lacks a lot of the essentials, and he might be able to be coached up, but the Bombers pulled the trigger immediately upon Prukop coming available, and that says volumes.

I'm sure he had intangibles that got him into our camp, and I think our scouts can find more where he came from, hopefully 6' plus...

[Lincoln Locomotive]

I'm thinking the same thing. We have 600k tied up in QB's before we even sign a 2nd one. Strev is the same problem Brown would be. Walters has himself painted into a corner. What did we spend on QB's last year? around 800? That leaves us just 200k for 2 additional guys.

Not exactly painted himself into a corner because Dru wanted to go to a team with a legit shot at competing for the #1 QB position, which wasn't an option for him with Zach signed long term until 25.    We may end up paying Strevvy the same $$ we might have for Dru however Strevvy would be a valuable addition to our team and it's chances of making a 5th
consecutive Cup appearance.   At least we managed to get a pick for Dru and at least we only have to play him once or twice a season AND he's not playing in our conference.   

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Not exactly painted himself into a corner because Dru wanted to go to a team with a legit shot at competing for the #1 QB position, which wasn't an option for him with Zach signed long term until 25.    We may end up paying Strevvy the same $$ we might have for Dru however Strevvy would be a valuable addition to our team and it's chances of making a 5th
consecutive Cup appearance.   At least we managed to get a pick for Dru and at least we only have to play him once or twice a season AND he's not playing in our conference.   

If Strevy has no shot at starting, he might accept that reality but I think it's going to take at least $225k to get him to sign, twice what they paid Brown.  The only way this would be possible is if they lost out on Schoen or Brady and gave the unused money to Strevy.  If they can't re-sign Schoen a good tradeoff would be Strevy running his package plays and handling short yardage.

[theaardvark]

I think we can get Prukop and a rookie for less that Streve alone, which then opens up a lot of money for Schoen/Olivera. 

Love Strevie, but I think we are better served with Prokup and hopefully the next Dru Brown.  Streveler is exciting, personable and has some very strong abilities, but I'm just not seeing the benefit overall that justifies what we assume his salary expectations are.

Now, if he's on a "mission to be on a team" and price is not a huge deal, then sure, I want him. If he signs for Prukop money, with starting bonuses, sign him up. 

But while BO20 and DS83 are unsigned, I don't want to spend on Streveler.  I don't want to have 20% of our SMS in QB's.

[blue_or_die]

I think some might be missing the bigger picture here. I want Brady and Schoen and all that too, but when talking about building a championship roster in the CFL, the QB position is paramount.

We've been spoiled by getting lucky that Collaros has been staying upright most of the time the past couple of years, and we were lucky that when we needed to call on an inexperienced Brown that he eventually performed and improved. We know more than most fanbases that this is not how it works the vast majority of the time.

Therefore, what is the value of being able to say: we have an all-star vet QB1 who is backed up by a unique, dynamic and engaging Grey Cup champion fresh off a 4 year NFL stint?

We all talk about depth at various positions and how it's a necessity for a deep run, so why are we writing off the most important position and satisfied by "Dakota Prukop + George McKinnley"?

Having a strong stable QB core is at least as important as an elite receiving group or Canadian superstar RB...

[Jesse]

I think some might be missing the bigger picture here. I want Brady and Schoen and all that too, but when talking about building a championship roster in the CFL, the QB position is paramount.

We've been spoiled by getting lucky that Collaros has been staying upright most of the time the past couple of years, and we were lucky that when we needed to call on an inexperienced Brown that he eventually performed and improved. We know more than most fanbases that this is not how it works the vast majority of the time.

Therefore, what is the value of being able to say: we have an all-star vet QB1 who is backed up by a unique, dynamic and engaging Grey Cup champion fresh off a 4 year NFL stint?

We all talk about depth at various positions and how it's a necessity for a deep run, so why are we writing off the most important position and satisfied by "Dakota Prukop + George McKinnley"?

Having a strong stable QB core is at least as important as an elite receiving group or Canadian superstar RB...

I also think we're not planning on outbidding other team's for Strev's services.

It seems like there is not a starting opportunity out there right now for him. His best bet will be to take a one year deal to remind everyone what he can do, and perhaps get an opportunity next season. Money aside, his best opportunity to get on the field and show his skill is probably here. We've shown that we'll use him regularly even with Collaros starting. His cult status in Winnipeg probably offers him some off field opportunities to make money as well.

All that said, I'm hoping Walters gets him on a two year deal.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I think we can get Prukop and a rookie for less that Streve alone, which then opens up a lot of money for Schoen/Olivera. 

Love Strevie, but I think we are better served with Prokup and hopefully the next Dru Brown.  Streveler is exciting, personable and has some very strong abilities, but I'm just not seeing the benefit overall that justifies what we assume his salary expectations are.

Now, if he's on a "mission to be on a team" and price is not a huge deal, then sure, I want him. If he signs for Prukop money, with starting bonuses, sign him up. 

But while BO20 and DS83 are unsigned, I don't want to spend on Streveler.  I don't want to have 20% of our SMS in QB's.

I recall Walters saying in his pre-seaon presser last season that they planned to make good use of a "Steveler like package" for their 3rd string QB to run.  That really didn't materialize much last season as Prukop had very little package work.

I realize signing Strev. is a real long shot, but who better to run a "Steveler like package" than the man himself.  Last time he was in Wpg. the offence was almost unstoppable.

[blue_gold_84]

I don't think it's a long shot to reacquire Streveler. I just think he'll come at a bit of a premium.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I don't think it's a long shot to reacquire Streveler. I just think he'll come at a bit of a premium.

The stars would have to align, there won't be enough money to pay Brady, Dalton and Strev, they may end up with 2 out of 3, or 1 out of 3, but 3 out of 3 isn't going to happen.