Streveler signed to one year deal - updated topic

Started by Norm W, January 12, 2024, 06:10:12 PM

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DM83

Our QB situation is probably the best in the league based on last couple years.  However, all three guys could get better opportunities elsewhere.

Zac is such a professional, and a pleasure to watch, and certainly brought us over the top, winning so many games.
With Strevlors NFL pension, wouldn?t that equate to NOT needing top dollars in Canada as his base salary?  Strev would sell tickets and he would be a nightmare to game plan against.  Arguably he could make the team even better, as defenses would have to adjust their personnel and even alignments to deal with his run game.

Certainly, some unknown American QB could suffice.  However with Strev, he is a known and feared player. Certainly Procop could be the backup, and short yardage guy as well. Interesting. 


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Quote from: DM83 on January 13, 2024, 02:24:58 PM
Our QB situation is probably the best in the league based on last couple years.  However, all three guys could get better opportunities elsewhere.

Zac is such a professional, and a pleasure to watch, and certainly brought us over the top, winning so many games.
With Strevlors NFL pension, wouldn?t that equate to NOT needing top dollars in Canada as his base salary?  Strev would sell tickets and he would be a nightmare to game plan against.  Arguably he could make the team even better, as defenses would have to adjust their personnel and even alignments to deal with his run game.

Certainly, some unknown American QB could suffice.  However with Strev, he is a known and feared player. Certainly Procop could be the backup, and short yardage guy as well. Interesting. 

Up until Collaros goes down with a semi-serious injury as Nichols did a few times, we've been fortunate so far he hasn't missed many games in 4 years, but that could change in an instant.  I would keep an eye on Ottawa, they certainly can't hold onto 6 QB's if they sign Brown and would have to release a few of them, failing that Arbuckle and Cornelius are available right now and wouldn't cost much.

VictorRomano

Quote from: theaardvark on January 12, 2024, 08:13:56 PM
To replace Brown/Prukop in one player, and bring in a ELC development QB, kinda works. 


I mentioned this exact thing on the /CFL reddit yesterday and it got quite a few upvotes.

theaardvark

Why would Dru sign elsewhere for the same money (or less) guaranteed than we can pay?  For the opportunity to win/inherit a starters role.  He's not going to win it here, and Collaros has been (knock on wood) pretty healthy of late.  So, getting in in Ottawa, or Hamilton, or Calgary with the same base and playing time incentives makes more sense if he wants a chance to start.  I get that.  And hate that. 

Strevey would sell tickets.  Which makes sense in Toronto, or Montreal, or even SSK.  But, as far as I rememeber, we led the league in tickets sold and sell outs last year.  Not a big issue here.
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Quote from: DM83 on January 13, 2024, 02:24:58 PM
Our QB situation is probably the best in the league based on last couple years.  However, all three guys could get better opportunities elsewhere.

Zac is such a professional, and a pleasure to watch, and certainly brought us over the top, winning so many games.
With Strevlors NFL pension, wouldn?t that equate to NOT needing top dollars in Canada as his base salary?  Strev would sell tickets and he would be a nightmare to game plan against.  Arguably he could make the team even better, as defenses would have to adjust their personnel and even alignments to deal with his run game.

Certainly, some unknown American QB could suffice.  However with Strev, he is a known and feared player. Certainly Procop could be the backup, and short yardage guy as well. Interesting. 



A small NFL pension is nice but doesn't change a player wanting to earn big or bigger dollars. It doesn't change his desire to possibly be a starter. I'd be happy to get Streveler back but it's not a slam dunk. Money still talks.
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DM83

Yes Strev isn?t Hall of Fame material.  But **** he might be the most exciting player. Getting those first downs, plowing over little linebackers and smurfs in the DB backfield smash mouth football.  I hate that,?.but our o line is so good at it.

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Quote from: Blue In BC on January 13, 2024, 04:52:46 PM
A small NFL pension is nice but doesn't change a player wanting to earn big or bigger dollars. It doesn't change his desire to possibly be a starter. I'd be happy to get Streveler back but it's not a slam dunk. Money still talks.

Wouldn't surprise me if Ottawa decided to sign Strev. over Brown, leaving Brown will almost no options.

DM83

Brown has earned an opportunity that is for sure.  He?d look good in Sask.

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blue_gold_84

Quote from: Jesse on January 13, 2024, 12:55:58 PM
Well, I have to say I completely disagree with you on Strev vs. Prukop. I'll take Strev any day of the week. We tried to what Strev does with Prukop, but it failed miserably and cost us the Grey Cup in '22. So, yes. Prukop doubled down on just performing the sneak to perfection. But it is not at all what Strev did for us.

This. Streveler is considerably superior to Prukop.
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theaardvark

Streve vs. Prokup.  Totally different roles/players/costs. 

Prokup #3 behind an ELC backup, as a SY guy who could step in if necessary, totally worth his paycheck.  Totally known quantity.

Streve is a #2, (with an ELC #3) who does SY and packages and is next man up if QB1 goes down.  Totally different niche, different budget, different role.  Totally known quantity.

Dru is a #2 who could be a 1B, who has an unknown ceiling.  SY, m'eh.  But he's not going to let you down if pressed into starting.  Streve struggled in that capacity.  Prokup too.

Three different scenarios, three different players, and unfortunately pretty much mutually exclusive as far as WFC $SMS is concerned.

If you sign Dru, you bring in a SY ELC dude (not Piggy please).  If you sign Streve or Prukop, you bring in an ELC guy for development, a guy with the potential to develop into a starter.

If you sign none of them, you bring in 3 or 4 or 5 guys to TC, of varying skillsets, and hope to get a development guy and a SY guy out of the deal.

But, phlease, no retreads.  No mining the scrap heap for a "QB with CFL experience".  There will be enough of those around should the unthinkable happen and QB1 goes down and we have rookie QB2&3...
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Jesse on January 13, 2024, 12:55:58 PM
Well, I have to say I completely disagree with you on Strev vs. Prukop. I'll take Strev any day of the week. We tried to what Strev does with Prukop, but it failed miserably and cost us the Grey Cup in '22. So, yes. Prukop doubled down on just performing the sneak to perfection. But it is not at all what Strev did for us.

A MOS team needs their SY to be 99%+.  Out of Le Feve, Marve, McGuire, Prukop and Strev, Strev had the most SY failures (3? 4? 5?).  Going by memory here, but this is one of the things I watch like a hawk(tm).  Prukop will get you 99%.  Not sure what Strev will do.

But as you laid out it's kind of apples to oranges, and I acknowledged that.  Strev buys you a legit sneak/pass/run option that has to be respected every time he's in SY.  I think he's the best the CFL has seen in that role in a decade.

So it's a trade off, and luckily WFC has proven we can do well with either approach.  However, if Strev is our #1b and #2, and we bring a dev ELC guy in as #3, then we'll be back to having 2 #2's with no "real" SY specialist.  Then the #2's get antsy that they are competing for who gets garbage time and garbage season duties.  The ELC guy probably would never see the field.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: theaardvark on January 13, 2024, 07:03:19 PM
But, phlease, no retreads.  No mining the scrap heap for a "QB with CFL experience".  There will be enough of those around should the unthinkable happen and QB1 goes down and we have rookie QB2&3...

It's the retreads that make the best SY specialists.  Le Feve & Prukop have been our best SY, and both are retreads.  When a long-term CFL QB has had enough chance to prove he's #1, and failed, they can morph into great, important, valuable SY-only guys.  The CFL has a role for them, and WFC is one of the best at signing them.

If we do get Strev, there's no need for a SY guy: I'd go for a raw ELC guy that might be the next Dru.  We succeeded with Strev and Dru.  We failed with Dom and McGuire.  Personally, I prefer Zach/Dru/Prukop, but apparently that's impossible.
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Jesse

Quote from: TecnoGenius on January 14, 2024, 12:23:06 AM
It's the retreads that make the best SY specialists.  Le Feve & Prukop have been our best SY, and both are retreads.  When a long-term CFL QB has had enough chance to prove he's #1, and failed, they can morph into great, important, valuable SY-only guys.  The CFL has a role for them, and WFC is one of the best at signing them.

If we do get Strev, there's no need for a SY guy: I'd go for a raw ELC guy that might be the next Dru.  We succeeded with Strev and Dru.  We failed with Dom and McGuire.  Personally, I prefer Zach/Dru/Prukop, but apparently that's impossible.


I could not care less about the dumb SY role. Put anyone there for it. Or better yet, stop doing it so much.
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Personally, I d sign Brown and let Prukop go (if you can't sign everyone), that way if Zack gets hurt or eventually retires, we're in good position.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: Jesse on January 14, 2024, 12:57:57 AM

I could not care less about the dumb SY role. Put anyone there for it. Or better yet, stop doing it so much.

Seriously?  MOS has said his philosophy is you just need to get 9 in 2 downs.  The extra 1-1.5 should be an automatic gimmee.  The 1 yard neutral zone makes it so.

Do you know how many games we won in the last 5 seasons (partially) by stopping opponents on SY?  That halftime stop in the GC should have won the game for us (via demoralization and momentum swing).  Did you see how many times in the regular season Dom Davis, Pigrome, and others, messed up a 3rd & 1 and put their teams in tough places?

I bet on average teams haul out a SY play 3-6 times a game.  For the most part those are must-convert situations.  A team takes SY lightly at their peril.
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