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[Blue In BC]

I'm not sure what people don't understand about the bell curve and the averages.  Everyone knows the kicking averages have been down the last 2 seasons.  All I'm doing is saying they are down because the average kicker quality is down.  Anyone dispute this?

So I propose a solution: improve the average kicker quality in the CFL.  How do we do that?  I gave one idea.  I don't know if it's the correct idea, but at least it's something.

There is no doubt whatsoever had Medlock stayed in the league (i.e. started in 2021) that he'd be better than 6 or 7 of the starting kickers.  Therefore, he would raise the average.  Apply that to a couple of more kickers and the average goes up even higher.

Ok, so follow the logic one more step.  How could the CFL have retained Medlock?  Money.  How much?  I don't know, but every healthy guy eyeing retirement has a "price" he would keep working for.  Same in any job.

It's simple logical steps.  I'm not saying do this, or that it will happen (in fact I pretty much guarantee it won't) but it is an idea that would possibly address the problem.

Or we just sit here with most kickers missing a PAT or sub-45 FG every other week, and then wonder why the Americans won't take the CFL seriously.

What's your solution?  Or do we see even more missed PATs and 30 yarders league-wide next year?  And the year after...

I'm not sure why some people don't understand supply and demand.

Giant eye roll intended.

[Stats Junkie]

I'm not sure what people don't understand about the bell curve and the averages.  Everyone knows the kicking averages have been down the last 2 seasons.  All I'm doing is saying they are down because the average kicker quality is down.  Anyone dispute this?

YES!

2018 was the anomaly with Lewis Ward's freakishly good season

          FG     Con
2000   75.9   99.8
2001   71.7   100.0
2002   73.2   99.2
2003   76.1   99.0
2004   70.1   99.3
2005   71.0   99.3
2006   80.5   99.7
2007   72.7   99.7
2008   79.7   99.8
2009   81.4   99.1
2010   77.9   99.2
2011   82.2   100.0
2012   81.0   100.0
2013   80.2   98.9
2014   82.4   99.4
2015   81.9   85.4
2016   82.7   90.7
2017   84.0   89.9
2018   88.3   93.0
2019   84.3   93.4
2021   79.8   91.8
2022   84.2   92.7

[Jesse]

YES!

2018 was the anomaly with Lewis Ward's freakishly good season

          FG     Con
2000   75.9   99.8
2001   71.7   100.0
2002   73.2   99.2
2003   76.1   99.0
2004   70.1   99.3
2005   71.0   99.3
2006   80.5   99.7
2007   72.7   99.7
2008   79.7   99.8
2009   81.4   99.1
2010   77.9   99.2
2011   82.2   100.0
2012   81.0   100.0
2013   80.2   98.9
2014   82.4   99.4
2015   81.9   85.4
2016   82.7   90.7
2017   84.0   89.9
2018   88.3   93.0
2019   84.3   93.4
2021   79.8   91.8
2022   84.2   92.7

Lol. Pwned.

[BLUEBOMBER]

Do we have another kicker that we are bringing in yet?

[Blue In BC]

Do we have another kicker that we are bringing in yet?

Not that we know about. 2nd round of NFL cuts is tomorrow and our PR roster should be increasing by 5 shortly. Until then a new player on the PR means cutting someone, so it's less likely we see new adds at the moment.

EDIT: Looking at NFL roster transactions there have only been 3 K's released so far. It's always a small pool. 

[Jesse]

Do we have another kicker that we are bringing in yet?

I have zero expectation of that.

[theaardvark]

Not that we know about. 2nd round of NFL cuts is tomorrow and our PR roster should be increasing by 5 shortly. Until then a new player on the PR means cutting someone, so it's less likely we see new adds at the moment.

EDIT: Looking at NFL roster transactions there have only been 3 K's released so far. It's always a small pool. 

And each of those are one stubbed toe away from an NFL phone call... so probably won't be looking north.. yet

[Pigskin]

Hajrullahu and Maher both kicked FG's for Dallas on the weekend.

[TecnoGenius]

You've said something very similar on here before and got a fairly strong negative reaction shall we say. Do you recall that? And now you've said it again. Fair enough. So the question is, why is it so important to you what Americans think of the CFL? Now sure, I think everyone would agree that growth in the popularity of our game in the U.S would be a good thing, but this seems like a different issue.

In this case I was trying hard not to say "it makes us look bush league", so I decided to pin it on the Americans.  I actually thought it would be less offensive.  It wasn't me who brought up "what the US thinks" in past threads, but I never disagreed with it.  That's back in the years where we all were caring about growing the league and tapping the US market (which we seem to have forgotten).  Not to please the Americans, but to ensure $$ and life for the CFL.

I don't really have a dog in this fight.  Any US viewership we get is gravy: desirable but not critical.

As for my logic, thanks for reading and understanding what I'm saying.  Yes, you really could apply it to "all players", but my point was we seem to have specific problems in the CFL lately.  Namely QB, OL and now K.  No one ever bemoans the leage-wide dearth of good DBs, WRs, LBs or STers.  So that's why I mentioned K's specifically.

[TecnoGenius]

YES!

          FG     Con
2017   84.0   89.9
2018   88.3   93.0
2019   84.3   93.4
2021   79.8   91.8
2022   84.2   92.7

I was talking specifically '21 and '22.  I already acknowledged that as you go farther back, the K stats get worse.  Look at just the last 5 years above.  First, we must understand 2022 isn't over yet, we shall see if the 84/92 holds or not.  But everyone can see the decline in 2021.  That's the year people on this forum started noticing and complaining, especially because the worst kickers were on our team (until playoffs).

Anyone watching the CFL over the last 5 years would have noticed the extra misses on both FG and PAT, as evidenced in your stats.  Anyone in WPG would have noticed even more.

The stats don't pwn me, they prove my point.  If FGs stay around 84-88 and PATs 92-93 in 2022, then I guess the league doesn't have a problem.  But if they keep declining to 2021 levels...

Another interesting stat might be # of FGs/PATs attempted.  It just feels like 2022 is seeing less FG attemps.  Maybe the 40 yard line changes are increasing TDs as intended?   (And I suspect 2022 is a freak year so far for under-35YL FG misses.)

Maybe the overarching problem is we were spoiled with superb league-wide kicking from 2017-2019 and got used to it.

[Jesse]

God, man. What are you even talking about?

You suggest that 2017-19 are the standard - 2022 is identical to those years. What's the problem?

2021 is one outlier year that occurred after a cancelled season and you're trying to suggest a decline when the numbers have already returned back to normal.

[dd]

I don't see any 'trends' in the data, nor a decline in the kicking. Most kickers make 8 out of 10 FG, and 9 of 10 Converts. I don't see what all the fuss is about. Kickers miss kicks, always have, always will.

[GOLDMEMBER]

YES!

2018 was the anomaly with Lewis Ward's freakishly good season

          FG     Con
2000   75.9   99.8
2001   71.7   100.0
2002   73.2   99.2
2003   76.1   99.0
2004   70.1   99.3
2005   71.0   99.3
2006   80.5   99.7
2007   72.7   99.7
2008   79.7   99.8
2009   81.4   99.1
2010   77.9   99.2
2011   82.2   100.0
2012   81.0   100.0
2013   80.2   98.9
2014   82.4   99.4
2015   81.9   85.4
2016   82.7   90.7
2017   84.0   89.9
2018   88.3   93.0
2019   84.3   93.4
2021   79.8   91.8
2022   84.2   92.7

ah whoops Tecno, lol

[TecnoGenius]

You suggest that 2017-19 are the standard - 2022 is identical to those years. What's the problem?

2021 is one outlier year that occurred after a cancelled season and you're trying to suggest a decline when the numbers have already returned back to normal.

As I said, 2022 isn't over yet.  We're just over halfway through.  Let's see how the final stats play out.  Regardless of what the 2022 stats say, we've seen some "bad kicking" this year: misses from 15-30 yards.  Especially ones at the end of games.

No one cares if you miss a 47 yarder on a semi-regular basis.  That is normal.  What isn't normal is missing the 32 & under place kicks more than once in a long while.

If 2021 was indeed an outlier, and kickers stop missing from 30-ish yards, then of course that means there is no (long term) problem and we can all get back to moaning about QB quality or something else more important.

[the.inkster]

Hajrullahu and Maher both kicked FG's for Dallas on the weekend.

Lirim just got waived