Where was EITS?

[TecnoGenius]

Why did we have to challenge the RTP on the Zach head hit?  EITS* & Command have the authority to flag those from Toronto without us doing anything.  It's in the rules.  And since Zach was on the turf for a very long time, they had time & authority to review that hit to the nth degree.  We've seen EITS flag these QB hits before!

It's doubly weird & frustrating because command did indeed deem it to be RTP!  We learned that because of MOS's challenge.  It's one thing if we challenged and command said "no RTP", but they overturned and said "yes, RTP"!  Huh??

This makes no sense.

* Eye In The Sky

[Blueforlife]

Yup should have caught live or in the command center

It's fair I mention that this title thread somehow triggered ET in my mind at 1st glance 😀

Like ET phone home, ok over tired here but that's where my thoughts took me lol

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Because it was barely a penalty. By the letter of the law I guess it was facemask contact but come on. There was nothing malicious about it.

Can't play the game with a bubble wrapped QB and you can't expect to get every soft RTP.

We have to get back to tough in the trenches football. We've gone soft and we're spending way too much time, effort and money on elaborate defense schemes and an offense style that was never our bread and butter.

Next year we need to load up on a real defensive line and find a few lineman that can move people on offense.

We don't need to big brain a way to cover every zone simultaneously. Attack the QB. Hit him. He'll make mistakes and if he's got to get rid of the ball it won't matter if every single defensive back simultaneously makes the right read.

On offense we need to go back to life without a hall of fame QB because we don't have one anymore. Win along the line of scrimmage there. Get holes that any cheap running back can go through. Have some receivers that win and are passer friendly.

Back to the basics.

[TecnoGenius]

Because it was barely a penalty. By the letter of the law I guess it was facemask contact but come on. There was nothing malicious about it.

So why did command give it to us?  Felt bad for us/Zach?

[TBURGESS]

So why did command give it to us?  Felt bad for us/Zach?

QB gets hurt. Penalty happens. 

[dd]

Exactly. If zach had bounced up after that hit, there wouldn't have been a call. Lay on the field motionless, you get the call.

[TecnoGenius]

QB gets hurt. Penalty happens.

According to Riderforum, it's:
QB Zach gets hurt. Penalty happens

But again, that's my whole point of the thread: why didn't they call the RTP before being challenged?

I'm starting to wonder if the ref-helper didn't tell MOS "command says if you challenge that, you'll win".  Or "it's RTP but you need to challenge it first".

My point is the rule book now has a list of things command can call WITHOUT CHALLENGE given proper time (which they had here).  I'll find the section if someone wants, and quote it.  RTP/UR type things are part of that rule.  And we've seen them flag it from EITS before!

[TecnoGenius]

Exactly. If zach had bounced up after that hit, there wouldn't have been a call. Lay on the field motionless, you get the call.

Ah, the Cody School Of Writhing!!  Yes, always writhe.  Or in this case, cover your eyes like you're seeing looney tunes birds flying around.

[blue_gold_84]

According to Riderforum...

Say no more. That place is a cesspit.

[The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB]

Because it was barely a penalty. By the letter of the law I guess it was facemask contact but come on. There was nothing malicious about it.

Can't play the game with a bubble wrapped QB and you can't expect to get every soft RTP.

I was listening on the radio and Doug Brown made this out to be a dirty, egregious hit. He wanted 25 yards and a RP disqualification penalty. Even pined about it to MOS in the post game interview. Then I saw the replay. I agree with your assessment.

[theaardvark]

Was it "egregious"?  Probably not.

Was it "intent"?  Probably not.

Was it avoidable?  Yes.

"How am I supposed to tackle him"?

Not in a way that your helmet strikes his helmet and causes a concussion.  Head to the side, wrap him up, etc.

This is a play that has been trained out of DL and LB for years.  As a DB, maybe he's not had the same awareness of the geometry of the hit, and how the helmet to helmet is unavoidable when you tackle this way.

25yds and ejection?  Probably not.

Call by the on field officials?  Definitely.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

According to John Hodge Zach was in the dressing room after the game in street clothes acting normally, chatting with fellow players and he couldn't detect any signs he had just suffered a concussion. 

Say what you may about 3DN but these post weekend podcasts have become the best summaries of the games and all things CFL.

[bluebeard]

I was listening on the radio and Doug Brown made this out to be a dirty, egregious hit. He wanted 25 yards and a RP disqualification penalty. Even pined about it to MOS in the post game interview. Then I saw the replay. I agree with your assessment.

And  yet on TSN, after the game,  Milt said that it was not a "dirty hit".  Who do you believe.  For me, I agree with Milt.  That was a text book tackle and his face mask came in contact with Collaros helmut, thus the penalty.

[Blueforlife]

Because it was barely a penalty. By the letter of the law I guess it was facemask contact but come on. There was nothing malicious about it.

Can't play the game with a bubble wrapped QB and you can't expect to get every soft RTP.

We have to get back to tough in the trenches football. We've gone soft and we're spending way too much time, effort and money on elaborate defense schemes and an offense style that was never our bread and butter.

Next year we need to load up on a real defensive line and find a few lineman that can move people on offense.

We don't need to big brain a way to cover every zone simultaneously. Attack the QB. Hit him. He'll make mistakes and if he's got to get rid of the ball it won't matter if every single defensive back simultaneously makes the right read.

On offense we need to go back to life without a hall of fame QB because we don't have one anymore. Win along the line of scrimmage there. Get holes that any cheap running back can go through. Have some receivers that win and are passer friendly.

Back to the basics.

Nope it was clearly a head shot that was missed which happens at game spee
I believe the tone of your post doesn't do justice to some of the talent we have
We have a "real" D line
Yes the OL needs work but has a solid base
Zach could bounce back and has shown an incredible ability to stay healthy in his time here
Qbs get injured all the time, young, middle aged or old
Yes his injury history is a concern
That wasn't a soft RTP,  the game has changed, a soft RTP is when a hand hits the helmet my mistake, gently

Agree we need to improve on DL and OL, key cogs to a winning club

Yes shop for QB but I think Zach has a few steamboats left in him, as long as he doesn't have too high of a risk to his brain or neck health

Go to practice and tell any of our DL that they are not real, please report back when head is reattached to the body lol

I see no issues with the receiving core we have, bring in a few new faces and draft a cdn or two

Calling Zach bubble wrapped isn't fair and I don't agree with that language

If Zach is healthy, the Oline gets healthy and gels, we still have a shot at the cup imo

Without both of those things happening we are a 500 ball club and could cross over, we are an average club right now and that's ok, can't be king forever

[jdrattops]

EITS is a joke (Bradbury, enough said).  If that was Rourke the flags would have been flying.