Where was EITS?

[gobombersgo]

I can't believe some people are saying that shouldn't have been a penalty.

How many times have we seen players flagged for just putting a hand on a quarterback's helmet.

There doesn't need to be intent, the play doesn't need to be dirty but if a QB gets hit in the helmet it's a penalty.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Nope it was clearly a head shot that was missed which happens at game spee
I believe the tone of your post doesn't do justice to some of the talent we have
We have a "real" D line
Yes the OL needs work but has a solid base
Zach could bounce back and has shown an incredible ability to stay healthy in his time here
Qbs get injured all the time, young, middle aged or old
Yes his injury history is a concern
That wasn't a soft RTP,  the game has changed, a soft RTP is when a hand hits the helmet my mistake, gently

Agree we need to improve on DL and OL, key cogs to a winning club

Yes shop for QB but I think Zach has a few steamboats left in him, as long as he doesn't have too high of a risk to his brain or neck health

Go to practice and tell any of our DL that they are not real, please report back when head is reattached to the body lol

I see no issues with the receiving core we have, bring in a few new faces and draft a cdn or two

Calling Zach bubble wrapped isn't fair and I don't agree with that language

If Zach is healthy, the Oline gets healthy and gels, we still have a shot at the cup imo

Without both of those things happening we are a 500 ball club and could cross over, we are an average club right now and that's ok, can't be king forever

I don't really care if "you don't agree with the language".

Collaros can't take regular football hits and the most respected of all Bomber Alumni tells him, on live TV, to retire. Listen to Milt. He knows football even when he says something you don't like.

Our defensive line is a shell of the Grey Cup years. They can't get to the QB and we have a defensive coordinator who has stopped trying. The all Canadian interior led by freaking Jake Thomas has gone from bad to an embarrassment. He would have been released from camp on half a dozen teams.

We have a head coach who refuses to adapt to current roster rules.

We have mismanaged our backup QB situation so badly that on the most important drive of the season our rookie OC was forced to call five straight running plays before the first pass which was intercepted. Terrible. Actually beyond terrible.

What is going to gel? Our offensive line? Does Neufeld, Stanley and Kolonkowski need to gel? The RT has started every game and Vanterpool isn't the issue. Neufeld,. Stanley and Kolonkowski are as much the issue as left guard and right tackle.

You're right about one thing, no team can dominate forever. I'm fine with the regression although it's disappointing it's in a Grey Cup year. It is real regression.

What is annoying is you trying to shoot rainbows from your eyebrows when anyone says things are the way they are.

Have we even beat a .500 team this year? We're in for a major roster reconstruction next year. That's the sign of real issues that won't get fixed with patience or "gelling".

[TecnoGenius]

According to John Hodge Zach was in the dressing room after the game in street clothes acting normally, chatting with fellow players and he couldn't detect any signs he had just suffered a concussion. 

Ya, but that's literally what 75% of concussions are like.  Everything is great until hours or days later and you're like woooo something ain't right.

That's why so many concussed players want to get straight back in.

And we all know WFC + Zach will remove Zach every single time out of precaution.  He's been rung so many times now maybe he does indeed have zero effects (at any time) besides the 1 minute after the hit.

[TecnoGenius]

What is going to gel? Our offensive line? Does Neufeld, Stanley and Kolonkowski need to gel? The RT has started every game and Vanterpool isn't the issue. Neufeld,. Stanley and Kolonkowski are as much the issue as left guard and right tackle.

Yes, the OL needs many games together to gel.  It's a unit, not individual players.  Prototypical gestalt.

We've barely ever gone 3 weeks without changes this season.  Vant in, Vant out.  RT changing.  LT changing.  Neuf in, Neuf out.  The only constant is Ko-man (bless his heart).

Yes, I think they would be stronger now had Vant stayed in the whole time and the "Wallace experiment" never occurred.  And the bonus is, if we keep this line-up unchanged for the rest of the season, it should be far stronger come playoff time.  (Though I'd still love to see Lofton back, like next week.)

[Blueforlife]

Yes, the OL needs many games together to gel.  It's a unit, not individual players.  Prototypical gestalt.

We've barely ever gone 3 weeks without changes this season.  Vant in, Vant out.  RT changing.  LT changing.  Neuf in, Neuf out.  The only constant is Ko-man (bless his heart).

Yes, I think they would be stronger now had Vant stayed in the whole time and the "Wallace experiment" never occurred.  And the bonus is, if we keep this line-up unchanged for the rest of the season, it should be far stronger come playoff time.  (Though I'd still love to see Lofton back, like next week.)

Exactly my point, a well written summary

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Yes, the OL needs many games together to gel.  It's a unit, not individual players.  Prototypical gestalt.

We've barely ever gone 3 weeks without changes this season.  Vant in, Vant out.  RT changing.  LT changing.  Neuf in, Neuf out.  The only constant is Ko-man (bless his heart).

Yes, I think they would be stronger now had Vant stayed in the whole time and the "Wallace experiment" never occurred.  And the bonus is, if we keep this line-up unchanged for the rest of the season, it should be far stronger come playoff time.  (Though I'd still love to see Lofton back, like next week.)

Ya, I don't really buy it. And it's not to say the offensive line is bad. They are probably the most average unit in the league.

But come on. Neufeld, Stanley Bryant and Kolonkowski have played together for almost five seasons. Kolonkowski first played games in Winnipeg in 2021.

Vanterpool and Randolph have both been in that room since 2024 so while starting has been new for them, they aren't air lifted in learning the blocking schemes. Randolph in particular will be starting regular season game 19 in his career this week. Largely with the same unit he's always played with. And sure Vanterpool you could argue is the new guy in but you can't possibly be trying to argue that every player on the offensive line needs several seasons of all playing beside each other to be effective. That's not often possible for any unit when you factor injuries or one year contracts.

"They need to gel" is simply code for "be patient" because I have no idea what I'm looking at or why it's not working.

[dd]

Who is our O line coach? Is he another ball boy that was promoted from within because gosh he works hard !?

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Who is our O line coach? Is he another ball boy that was promoted from within because gosh he works hard !?

Some yahoo named Marty Costello, rode into town 10 seasons ago on the coat-tails of Bob Wylie.  Before he took over the O-line he was Jr. mop boy at the RedTop Drive inn.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Some yahoo named Marty Costello, rode into town 10 seasons ago on the coat-tales of Bob Wylie.  Before he took over the O-line he was Jr. mop boy at the RedTop Drive inn.

I don't really think he's the issue. He's been here wwhen the line was good. When the line was downright dominant. Where were at today.

The main issue is the same one that we had last year. Neufeld and Bryant are in decline and will continue to regress every month and every season due to age.

Kolonkowski has always been an average centre and both Vanterpool and Randolph are good young players who have a lot of growing to do.

The result is we have no anchors but veterans who have declined too far and the youth which needs more time.

It's the exact same problem on the defensive line by the way, with the exception of Cam Lawson who is legitimately effective and much closer to being at the height of his powers.

It's poor roster construction and management. I'm not blaming Walters in any meaningful way. He had reason to believe it would continue to work. It just didn't and so the reality is the reality. 

[BBFANDM]

So why did command give it to us?  Felt bad for us/Zach?

I am not clear on why all of the parsing of words it was CLEARLY a Penalty !

[BBFANDM]

Why did we have to challenge the RTP on the Zach head hit?  EITS* & Command have the authority to flag those from Toronto without us doing anything.  It's in the rules.  And since Zach was on the turf for a very long time, they had time & authority to review that hit to the nth degree.  We've seen EITS flag these QB hits before!

It's doubly weird & frustrating because command did indeed deem it to be RTP!  We learned that because of MOS's challenge.  It's one thing if we challenged and command said "no RTP", but they overturned and said "yes, RTP"!  Huh??

This makes no sense.

* Eye In The Sky

I have no clue what EITS or RTP means keep them for personal messages !

[BBFANDM]

EITS is a joke (Bradbury, enough said).  If that was Rourke the flags would have been flying.

EITS RTP , TIAJ, This is just STUPID IDNC !

[RebusRankin]

Because it was barely a penalty. By the letter of the law I guess it was facemask contact but come on. There was nothing malicious about it.

Can't play the game with a bubble wrapped QB and you can't expect to get every soft RTP.

We have to get back to tough in the trenches football. We've gone soft and we're spending way too much time, effort and money on elaborate defense schemes and an offense style that was never our bread and butter.

Next year we need to load up on a real defensive line and find a few lineman that can move people on offense.

We don't need to big brain a way to cover every zone simultaneously. Attack the QB. Hit him. He'll make mistakes and if he's got to get rid of the ball it won't matter if every single defensive back simultaneously makes the right read.

On offense we need to go back to life without a hall of fame QB because we don't have one anymore. Win along the line of scrimmage there. Get holes that any cheap running back can go through. Have some receivers that win and are passer friendly.

Back to the basics.

It was a helmet to helmet hit. 100% a penalty.

[TrueBlue4]

Not sure what some posters were watching when they say there was no penalty- replay CLEARLY shows helmet to helmet contact. Should have been called without having to challenge it.

The question was asked what the tackler could have done to avoid any possible head contact - easy he could have lowered his impact point. Collaros didn't see him coming so made no move to lower his head down to make contact with the head unavoidable.

Imo - it was a dirty hit and I wish we would have done the same to Harris. Sask is a dirty team period end of story- tell me one other team that has injured as many QBs as Sask.

[TecnoGenius]

I am not clear on why all of the parsing of words it was CLEARLY a Penalty !

No one's arguing that.  The question is why did MOS have to challenge.  EITS (Eye In The Sky) could have called it down automatically, as they often have.