Biggest issue

[Strevy]

The following players need to be purged from the Bombers:

Neufeld - constantly getting embarrassed
Bryant - getting beat consistently
Bridges - gives up a lot of explosion plays
Bonds - can't cover
Collaros - past his prime, not worth the money (get Fajardo if possible), unless Elfersma comes back from the NFL
Jefferson - not producing for the last couple of years.

Thomas
Kramdi
T.Jones
Can also be backups and the last two special team only.  They are not prime time players.  Solid back ups used only in an emergency.

[BomberFan73]

OK, so we know the secondary has been bad. We're used to kicking butt in passing yards against, and we're currently bottom half there. But how the heck are we still leading in Opp Comp %?  Only 62% of passes get completed on us, that's a pretty good number!

I guess this shows it really is breakdowns on the odd big play that is killing us.

[Blueforlife]

If I were ranking them in order of significance it's the quarterback, defensive line, offensive line, secondary, and offensive coordinator in that order.

OL
CB
OC
DL
QB
Receiver

The following players need to be purged from the Bombers:

Neufeld - constantly getting embarrassed
Bryant - getting beat consistently
Bridges - gives up a lot of explosion plays
Bonds - can't cover
Collaros - past his prime, not worth the money (get Fajardo if possible), unless Elfersma comes back from the NFL
Jefferson - not producing for the last couple of years.

Absolutely none of these guys should be gone this season
Bridges as a backup is the only one that we might have to consider  imo
The rest of key contributors to this ball club and while are old are not nearly as bad as you suggest imo
It's Taylor Elgersma
Hard stop no on Cody
Willie had a good year last year, need to be better this year
Bonds can cover and was part of a very good defense last year, has been fine this year
OL are not what they used to be but still solid but at the end of their rope, as a unit we are average when healthy and could improve by year end, been a bad few weeks yes

Thomas
Kramdi
T.Jones
Can also be backups and the last two special team only.  They are not prime time players.  Solid back ups used only in an emergency.

Thomas is a good rotational DL who is good against the run.  Sun is setting but still one season left.  Hopefully Lawson progresses and we get Woods back.
Kramdi/Jones is a very good LB, your take is as off base as it gets here

[Blue In BC]

How can anybody be considered as good against the run when he has 3 DT's in 6 games. Noting that is his worst per game average since 2014 when he became a regular on defence. No sacks, no TFL and no int's.

The sun set before the start of the season. Good is based on performance.

[Blueforlife]

How can anybody be considered as good against the run when he has 3 DT's in 6 games. Noting that is his worst per game average since 2014 when he became a regular on defence. No sacks, no TFL and no int's.

The sun set before the start of the season. Good is based on performance.

He is a big body, fills the gaps and has been traditionally rotated mostly on run plays.  His size helps attract a double team on occasion.  His stats will decline this year but don't tell the entire story.  I believe if Lawson can progress and we get healthy on the DL we will have better balance.  Person coming on, the least of my worries is our DL and Thomas brings consistency in the reps he takes.  Comparing his long term stats this early in the season isn't fair.  See how it shakes out at year end.  Sample size too small imo to make any conclusions.
We know your stance on Thomas and we know mine.  Time to move on.  We are both a broken record on this one on repeat.  The truth likely lies in the middle of our two opinions.

[Blue In BC]

He is a big body, fills the gaps and has been traditionally rotated mostly on run plays.  His size helps attract a double team on occasion.  His stats will decline this year but don't tell the entire story.  I believe if Lawson can progress and we get healthy on the DL we will have better balance.  Person coming on, the least of my worries is our DL and Thomas brings consistency in the reps he takes.  Comparing his long term stats this early in the season isn't fair.  See how it shakes out at year end.  Sample size too small imo to make any conclusions.
We know your stance on Thomas and we know mine.  Time to move on.  We are both a broken record on this one on repeat.  The truth likely lies in the middle of our two opinions.

A big body isn't filling gaps if he's not involved in making tackles and the RB is often running through his gap? That's not an opinion, it's an observation over many games.  Small sample size? You're kidding right? Game 6 is a 1/3 of the season.

[Blueforlife]

A big body isn't filling gaps if he's not involved in making tackles. Have you ever coached defence?

I am done debating the topic as previously mentioned. It's clear we don't see eye to eye on the topic.   I have seen this attitude on here before, calling someone out on their opinion because of their lack of experience playing or coaching football and it shows a real lack of respect for this place.  If you can't be respectful and reasonable please just ignore what I post. 

This place is great because it's inclusive.  We welcome people from all backgrounds and variety of football based knowledge.  You don't have to have played, coached or managed a football team to have an opinion on here. 

If you want to talk more about Thomas, others will engage with you and there is a thread on the topic.

[Blue In BC]

I am done debating the topic as previously mentioned. It's clear we don't see eye to eye on the topic.   I have seen this attitude on here before, calling someone out on their opinion because of their lack of experience playing or coaching football and it shows a real lack of respect for this place.  If you can't be respectful and reasonable please just ignore what I post. 

This place is great because it's inclusive.  We welcome people from all backgrounds and variety of football based knowledge.  You don't have to have played, coached or managed a football team to have an opinion on here. 

If you want to talk more about Thomas, others will engage with you and there is a thread on the topic.

Nah. You already said if you post on a forum expect to be challenged. You don't have to respond to my challenges. As I said there is a difference between an opinion and an observation if you don't back up it up. I'd call it denial of what your eyes are seeing and stats are telling you.

I'll continue to call you out on blind faith opinions.

BTW I was adding another sentence on my previous comment.

[Blueforlife]

Nah. You already said if you post on a forum expect to be challenged. You don't have to respond to my challenges. As I said there is a difference between an opinion and an observation if you don't back up it up. I'd call it denial of what your eyes are seeing and stats are telling you.

I'll continue to call you out on blind faith opinions.

My opinion on Thomas is well documented above and on the previous thread.  You are more interested in trying to one up than anything and I don't appreciate trying to play the I know more about football than you do card (coaching reference).  I believe we have both presented our opinions and arguments on the topic and it's time to move on please.  There is no value in continuing our debate when we are both at different sides of the argument and have already presented our positons.

It's not about blind faith.  There is no denial.  I have presented my opinion about Thomas and so have you.  No need to take shots at me.  I have lots of opinions and observations, doesn't mean I'm right but neither are you all the time. 

Calling people out and debating is healthy for this place.  Beating a dead horse on topic that has already run its course isn't.  Let's continue our debates on here yes.  Let's move on regarding Thomas please.  We covered the bases here.  Agree to disagree.  We both have made some good points regarding him.  Perhaps revist at the end of the year.

Funny that you took the have you have ever coached defense part out now.  Very telling.

I am trying to keep the peace on here and making the mods jobs easier.  Nobody wants to see the back and forth like this.

[Blue In BC]

My opinion on Thomas is well documented above and on the previous thread.  You are more interested in trying to one up than anything and I don't appreciate trying to play the I know more about football than you do card (coaching reference).  I believe we have both presented our opinions and arguments on the topic and it's time to move on please.  There is no value in continuing our debate when we are both at different sides of the argument and have already presented our positons.

It's not about blind faith.  There is no denial.  I have presented my opinion about Thomas and so have you. 

It's your topic string about the biggest issues. There are more than one as has been discussed. Within each group the parameter is narrowed. On the DL Thomas is the weakest link so you have to be able to expect feedback.

An opinion is based on several things but specifics like coaching or playing are part of an education regarding a subject so it's a fair question. I note that you didn't answer the question. I suppose knowing actual football players would also count if you engaged in those sorts of discussions with them.

Many on the forum have done those things and bring a different understanding and more clearly define their " opinion ".

[Blueforlife]

It's your topic string about the biggest issues. There are more than one as has been discussed. Within each group the parameter is narrowed. On the DL Thomas is the weakest link so you have to be able to expect feedback.

An opinion is based on several things but specifics like coaching or playing are part of an education regarding a subject so it's a fair question. I note that you didn't answer the question. I suppose knowing actual football players would also count if you engaged in those sorts of discussions with them.

Many on the forum have done those things and bring a different understanding and more clearly define their " opinion ".

No need to make it personal and one doesn't need to know football players to have an opinion on here.  Everyone's input should be welcome and valued on here.  Brand new to the game to pro baller.  Discuss the DL as you would like, yes a good thread to do it.  I am not interested in debating Thomas with you any longer.  Thanks for understanding why.  I have already presented my opinion on here enough about Thomas for many years and in much detail recently.  You and others are understating the amount of info I provide behind my comments imo.

I value everyone on here, I value the diversity of this place.  The variety of opinions, background, posting styles, etc is what makes it great.  I don't value or validate forum members based on the length of their football resume.  We are all armchair QBs.  I do appreciate the senior members of this forum including yourself for your insights this great league.

[Blue In BC]

No need to make it personal and one doesn't need to know football players to have an opinion on here.

I thought you weren't going to respond. BTW it's not personal. I challenge many posters on here to see how they arrive at their opinion.

If a poster says he thinks Streveler is going into the hall of fame as a QB. That's an opinion and you can believe I'm going to ask why / how he came to that conclusion.

[Blueforlife]

I thought you weren't going to respond. BTW it's not personal. I challenge many posters on here to see how they arrive at their opinion.

If a poster says he thinks Streveler is going into the hall of fame as a QB. That's an opinion and you can believe I'm going to ask why / how he came to that conclusion.

Thanks, I'll try not to take it personal and keep it up with the challenging, you do bring balance.  I was done debating Thomas.  As long as this place is alive, both of us will continue to debate.  Let's rain check the Thomas talk for early winter.

Back to our regular scheduled program....

Interesting OL and CB are now in the lead on the poll.  Which agrees with my take.

[Blue In BC]

It's all TBD but we could see as many 3 changes on the OL this week. Bryant and Lofton could be back. Vanterpool could be back at LG.

Obviously one or all of those would help improve this issue. Fingers are crossed we get some healthy players back.

D. Lawson added today. I can't see him added immediately but we may be forced into some change due to injuries. There are several possibilities mentioned but I lean towards Allen at safety and Parker at CB. However that's a decision based on injuries which we might have.

LOL. There could be 6 or so possible combinations of changes in the secondary. Somebody spin the wheel of choice cause I don't know how this will work out. No practice, short week and little help from daily IR reports.

[peg_city]

Whether we want to get rid of Collaros or not, he's here for another year and I can't imagine O'shea is going to get rid of him.

I'm hoping for a UFL fold, so we can get a few QBs here.