Biggest issue

Started by Blueforlife, July 27, 2025, 08:00:07 PM

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What's our biggest problem?

OL
9 (22.5%)
CB
10 (25%)
DL
1 (2.5%)
QB
10 (25%)
Coaching
8 (20%)
Receiver
2 (5%)

Total Members Voted: 40

Blue In BC

Quote from: peg_city on July 29, 2025, 09:13:23 PMWhether we want to get rid of Collaros or not, he's here for another year and I can't imagine O'shea is going to get rid of him.

I'm hoping for a UFL fold, so we can get a few QBs here.


I don't imagine the USFL folding would help the QB situation. Not very many up and coming QB's there. More re-treads than anything else.

If that league does fold we might get a few more players getting chances in TC like receiver or DL.

Do you have a QB in mind that plays there?
One game at a time.

dd

Quote from: peg_city on July 29, 2025, 09:13:23 PMWhether we want to get rid of Collaros or not, he's here for another year and I can't imagine O'shea is going to get rid of him.

I'm hoping for a UFL fold, so we can get a few QBs here.

You're right, he's here for a year.

I'd see if we could get Fajardo over from Edmonton in the off season. Can't imagine he'd like to stick around that gong show, and coming here would be a breath of fresh air for him. I think he'll be better than any USFL Qb, and better than anything else on the FA market. I know some posters don't like him from his Rider days, but heck, Zack was a Rider!!!

Jesse

Quote from: dd on July 29, 2025, 09:49:29 PMYou're right, he's here for a year.

I'd see if we could get Fajardo over from Edmonton in the off season. Can't imagine he'd like to stick around that gong show, and coming here would be a breath of fresh air for him. I think he'll be better than any USFL Qb, and better than anything else on the FA market. I know some posters don't like him from his Rider days, but heck, Zack was a Rider!!!

People need to stop suggesting old retreads from losing teams expecting them to be better than what we already have.
My wife is amazing!

dd

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Did you see fajardo pass this past weekend and did you see Zack play?? I m done paying $600 k for that .

Get a decent qb that can read defenses, who won a grey cup when he got there vs stink the joint out . Fajardo will likely play himself back to #1 status and will blow the doors off stats coming out of our clubhouse, Fajardo Qb rating is 132, Collaros 89 you got any bright ideas where we're going to dig up our next starter and don't say it's Wilson or strev puuuleeease!!

Pete

Quote from: peg_city on July 29, 2025, 09:13:23 PMWhether we want to get rid of Collaros or not, he's here for another year and I can't imagine O'shea is going to get rid of him.

I'm hoping for a UFL fold, so we can get a few QBs here.

The only way Collaros is not here is if he decides his health isn't worth sacrificing for another year. Which is't far fetched.
 Doesn't leave us with a lot of viable alternatives

dd

We parted ways with biggie, we parted ways with Andrew Harris, we parted ways with Alexander, next season it's time

Blueforlife

Zach's numbers will be better than Cody's by year end imo.  Assuming he can get healthy.

Horseman

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 29, 2025, 04:03:02 PMAbsolutely none of these guys should be gone this season
Bridges as a backup is the only one that we might have to consider  imo
The rest of key contributors to this ball club and while are old are not nearly as bad as you suggest imo
It's Taylor Elgersma
Hard stop no on Cody
Willie had a good year last year, need to be better this year
Bonds can cover and was part of a very good defense last year, has been fine this year
OL are not what they used to be but still solid but at the end of their rope, as a unit we are average when healthy and could improve by year end, been a bad few weeks yes

This is why if we don't move on from these aged out vets and poor DB's we will not be challenging for top spot in the west next year. The players I mentioned that should be purged is for next year, can't make these changes now. Collaros has not been good for the last 2 years and now appears to be injured again. We must get his replacement starting for next year. The only viable starter that maybe available is Fajardo. The man plays with heart and can scramble when needed, I don't like him either but unless Elgersma comes back from his NFL stint, Fajardo is the only option I can see moving forward.

Blueforlife

Quote from: Horseman on July 30, 2025, 12:50:39 AMThis is why if we don't move on from these aged out vets and poor DB's we will not be challenging for top spot in the west next year. The players I mentioned that should be purged is for next year, can't make these changes now. Collaros has not been good for the last 2 years and now appears to be injured again. We must get his replacement starting for next year. The only viable starter that maybe available is Fajardo. The man plays with heart and can scramble when needed, I don't like him either but unless Elgersma comes back from his NFL stint, Fajardo is the only option I can see moving forward.
I am fine with our DBs other than Bridges who might just need more seasoning.  New safety will be developed this year maybe.  Some vets be gone yes, part of the process.  I believe with some development of existing players, good drafting and scouting we will be competitive.

dd

Quote from: Horseman on July 30, 2025, 12:50:39 AMThis is why if we don't move on from these aged out vets and poor DB's we will not be challenging for top spot in the west next year. The players I mentioned that should be purged is for next year, can't make these changes now. Collaros has not been good for the last 2 years and now appears to be injured again. We must get his replacement starting for next year. The only viable starter that maybe available is Fajardo. The man plays with heart and can scramble when needed, I don't like him either but unless Elgersma comes back from his NFL stint, Fajardo is the only option I can see moving forward.
I know the hatred is abound in these parts for Fajardo, but I would have wanted him and Lawler vs Collaros and Mitchell THIS year. Absolute no brainer, none. Given the opportunity this year, he'll prove again his worth as a #1. Not sure of what the contract status is of other #1's next year, but I m assuming Kelly, Alexander, Brown, BLM, Rourke, Adams and Harris are all under contract. I don't see any other experienced option out there--and NO to Masoli or MBT, they've done nothing with their opportunities.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: dd on July 29, 2025, 11:15:51 PMFajardo Qb rating is 132, Collaros 89 you got any bright ideas where we're going to dig up our next starter and don't say it's Wilson or strev puuuleeease!!

Ya, any QB's rating can look high after only 1.5 games...

And this could be more a statement on EDM's OL being better (ya!) than the disaster we fielded last game.  At least EDM has real OTs.  VAJ, Alexander and Kelly would have looked awful behind our hodgepodge OL.

Let's see what Zach can do with our desired OL, and maybe a healthy dressed Schoen.
Never go full Rider!

TecnoGenius

Quote from: peg_city on July 29, 2025, 09:13:23 PMWhether we want to get rid of Collaros or not, he's here for another year and I can't imagine O'shea is going to get rid of him.

I'm sure there are ways to shed Zach in FA26 without too much SMS pain.  *Should we want to*.  Someone can maybe run the numbers to give us an idea.  Any vet guaranteed salary, etc.  My guess is the hit should be under $200k.  Would suck, but not hopeless should we want a new guy.
Never go full Rider!

TecnoGenius

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 29, 2025, 04:35:25 PMHow can anybody be considered as good against the run when he has 3 DT's in 6 games. Noting that is his worst per game average since 2014 when he became a regular on defence. No sacks, no TFL and no int's.

I've noticed that teams are running outside on us the majority of the time.  There's very little up the gut going on, at least compared to what I'd call "normal".

Every time a RB kicks it outside or C gap on us I cringe knowing they are gonna bust it for 10Y, or 30...  I actually have strong faith in our inside run stop.  We have a very good system where the LBers are quickly there in positions to get the stop 80% of the time.

What I'm saying is Fatboi's DTs stat doesn't mean squat to me.  Maybe in relation to his DT partner, as a ratio.  But I bet that ratio has stayed pretty constant over the years...
Never go full Rider!

TecnoGenius

Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 29, 2025, 02:58:44 PMOK, so we know the secondary has been bad. We're used to kicking butt in passing yards against, and we're currently bottom half there. But how the heck are we still leading in Opp Comp %?  Only 62% of passes get completed on us, that's a pretty good number!

I guess this shows it really is breakdowns on the odd big play that is killing us.

Ya, that's a weird stat eh?

But explosions can lose you games on their own, that's for sure.  Remember '14-'18 and the explosion problem?  We lost games then too, just because of explosions.

I think it took Hall 4 years to stop the explosions.  It was his job #1, and he talked about it incessantly.

I wonder if our DB general IQ level has gone down.  There's lots of mental and laziness mistakes this season.  We get torched on every single trick play, no matter how old, tired & obvious.

Just like I cringe when Os run outside on us, I cringe when Os do a "trick".  In both cases I know we are about to get reamed.
Never go full Rider!

TecnoGenius

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 29, 2025, 02:25:20 PMIMO the real problem is hoping to get one more season out of former great players who are well past their prime. We managed to get away with it last year, but we should have known then, that we couldn't do it forever.

Many people were saying the same in '23... but look at '24.  Now people are saying it in '25.  We could still make the cup.  Then they'll say it again in '26.
Never go full Rider!