Hamilton @ Winnipeg

[Pigskin]

I look at the DL stats and it's not good.

Adams: 10 Games 9 DTs, 2 sacks.
Jake:  14 Games 9 DTs, 0 sacks.
Korn:  9 Games 3 DTs, 0 Sacks.
Person: 10 Games 2 DTs.

Woods might inject a little live into this DL.

[Blue In BC]

Maybe it's because adding in just 1 of Woods or Adams doesn't buy us anything.  Adams being in earlier in the season didn't really help the DL.  I doubt Woods would either.  I think you need BOTH Woods & Adams starting, and the ratio makes that impossible.

So we don't start either and instead do our "max coverage" schtick.  And I don't see how we can change that at all this season.

That's the thing, it's only a ratio issue because we choose other imports as DI's. It's not because we're only starting 7 Canadians. I don't buy that only adding 1 doesn't add benefit but that's really hard to assess. IIRC we have had both on the AR a few times last year using 1 as a starter and one as a DI.

We're only rotating 3 true interior DL. At times we are more 34 defences or use a 4 man front with 3 DE types.

The max coverage last week gave up 400 yards ( 73.3% completion ) and 2 TD's although they had 2 critical picks.

Against the TiCats we gave up less yardage but 75% completion and 2 TD's but no picks. We lost and are this weeks opponent again. We also gave up 163 yards rushing against them.

[Blue In BC]

I look at the DL stats and it's not good.

Adams: 10 Games 9 DTs, 2 sacks.
Jake:  14 Games 9 DTs, 0 sacks.
Korn:  9 Games 3 DTs, 0 Sacks.
Person: 10 Games 2 DTs.

Woods might inject a little live into this DL.

He might. He seemed more productive than Adams in 2024. I can't explain why Adams got to play in 10 games when Woods appeared to be a healthy choice at times. Now both are benched.

I'm neither for or against one over the other but think it's a mistake that we don't have one on the roster. At this point I might be inclined to bump Person for a few games. He's still in year 1 and in adapting mode. I had pointed out that we gave up 163 yards to the TiCats in the 1st game.

Another poster suggested we could add a DT if Parker can't play this week. That's a reasonable idea and a choice between him or Vanterpool.

Actually I might think adding J.Jones over Person isn't a bad idea. That could still happen with the 1st option caused by losing Parker.

Not many healthy bodies to choose from on IR or PR.

[Blueforlife]

I explained the value of a starter or heavily rotated player over an ST player. The math speaks for itself. We know he made a good play in the last game. How many good plays do you expect from a starting DL?

My comments about him are fair. He has value but he is not more valuable than taking out Person or Woodbey for example.

It has nothing to do with being part of the herd.  It is a Rudy complex similar to some always cheering for the # 2 QB.

I've explained that it's odd about why O'Shea has benched both Woods and Adams. I have no idea who is better.

OTOH you " want " Woods and have mentioned that repeatedly. You may be right or you may be totally wrong since you haven't explained the logic of choosing him over Adams. Maybe you go to practices and see an advantage.

If not then it's similar to your desire to retain Ayers on the AR at all costs. The rest of us see a greater benefit of having another interior DL in the overall picture to rotate players. If Schmekel was healthy we'd have a different argument possibly.

This is true almost regardless of the skill level of either Adams or Woods. Both have played and made great plays in the past.

Yes you are entitled to your opinion. It's interesting that you challenge me having my opinions or those of others that don't agree with your opinion.

I challenged you more strongly when you said how I "should" think.  You have called for Ayers to come off all year and that isn't happening imo.  I want Woods over Adams as I liked his game previous and we already got a peak at Adams.  That's what this place is for, people can state their opinions and challenge each other. I believe Ayers bring versatility.

Calling Ayers Rudy isn't necessary, fair or accurate. 

I don't think taking Ayers off for Woods is worth it.  Maybe there is another option.

Again don't care what the rest of us think.  And you are generalizing the forum opinion.  The reference to it being similar to cheering for the #2 qb hold  no weight imo.  You have twice in a row now mentioned what others think and that's why I mentioned the herd.  You claim it has nothing to do with it but make reference to it twice.

I have and often will go against the herd.  There is value in the diversity of ones opinion on here.

I wouldn't expect Woods to have a massive impact or make that many plays.  Would rotate and might pop who knows.

I value your opinion and you have made some good points.  This is a really close call.

MOS values ST players and so do I.  Adams feel victim to the #s game, performance based and also due to Person showing flashes.  I like you am not sure who is better Adam or Woods.  One poster early in the season had a good comparison and said one was better against the run, can't remember which one or who said it lol.

I'm with Techno, for Adams and Woods to have impact you need the combo imo.  No room for that this year.

We both said our piece, let's move on please.

[Pete]

Ive not understood the Ayers situation all year. I get Younger likes to use a three man front more than any other team in the league,
Also our use of dts is basically to plug up the middle.
 However having Woods and/or Adams gives us more options
 If a qb like BLM or Arbuckle is picking us apart, and their blocking scheme is giving them too much time he needs to change it up
If its a quality issue then bring in someone else.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Ive not understood the Ayers situation all year. I get Younger likes to use a three man front more than any other team in the league,
Also our use of dts is basically to plug up the middle.
 However having Woods and/or Adams gives us more options
 If a qb like BLM or Arbuckle is picking us apart, and their blocking scheme is giving them too much time he needs to change it up
If its a quality issue then bring in someone else.

Never know, Ayers could be a Mike Miller request every game, I don't know if he has a say in the game day roster or just has to work with whatever scraps they have left over.

[Blueforlife]

Never know, Ayers could be a Mike Miller request every game, I don't know if he has a say in the game day roster or just has to work with whatever scraps they have left over.

Regardless he is on because he is a demon on teams imo.

[Blue In BC]

I challenged you more strongly when you said how I "should" think.  You have called for Ayers to come off all year and that isn't happening imo.  I want Woods over Adams as I liked his game previous and we already got a peak at Adams.  That's what this place is for, people can state their opinions and challenge each other. I believe Ayers bring versatility.

Calling Ayers Rudy isn't necessary, fair or accurate. 

I don't think taking Ayers off for Woods is worth it.  Maybe there is another option.

Again don't care what the rest of us think.  And you are generalizing the forum opinion.  The reference to it being similar to cheering for the #2 qb hold  no weight imo.  You have twice in a row now mentioned what others think and that's why I mentioned the herd.  You claim it has nothing to do with it but make reference to it twice.

I have and often will go against the herd.  There is value in the diversity of ones opinion on here.

I wouldn't expect Woods to have a massive impact or make that many plays.  Would rotate and might pop who knows.

I value your opinion and you have made some good points.  This is a really close call.

MOS values ST players and so do I.  Adams feel victim to the #s game, performance based and also due to Person showing flashes.  I like you am not sure who is better Adam or Woods.  One poster early in the season had a good comparison and said one was better against the run, can't remember which one or who said it lol.

I'm with Techno, for Adams and Woods to have impact you need the combo imo.  No room for that this year.

We both said our piece, let's move on please.

There are so many things wrong with your post it's not worth debating further.  We'll see if our DL gives up another 100+ yards rushing and what benefit Ayers adds. I've said I like Ayers but he is not really versatile. He doesn't get reps on defence any longer and only plays on ST's.  The less often we punt the less often we need to cover returners.

[ModAdmin]

I challenged you more strongly when you said how I "should" think.  You have called for Ayers to come off all year and that isn't happening imo.  I want Woods over Adams as I liked his game previous and we already got a peak at Adams.  That's what this place is for, people can state their opinions and challenge each other. I believe Ayers bring versatility.

Calling Ayers Rudy isn't necessary, fair or accurate. 

I don't think taking Ayers off for Woods is worth it.  Maybe there is another option.

Again don't care what the rest of us think.  And you are generalizing the forum opinion.  The reference to it being similar to cheering for the #2 qb hold  no weight imo.  You have twice in a row now mentioned what others think and that's why I mentioned the herd.  You claim it has nothing to do with it but make reference to it twice.

I have and often will go against the herd.  There is value in the diversity of ones opinion on here.

I wouldn't expect Woods to have a massive impact or make that many plays.  Would rotate and might pop who knows.

I value your opinion and you have made some good points.  This is a really close call.

MOS values ST players and so do I.  Adams feel victim to the #s game, performance based and also due to Person showing flashes.  I like you am not sure who is better Adam or Woods.  One poster early in the season had a good comparison and said one was better against the run, can't remember which one or who said it lol.

I'm with Techno, for Adams and Woods to have impact you need the combo imo.  No room for that this year.

We both said our piece, let's move on please.

I challenged you more strongly when you said how I "should" think.  You have called for Ayers to come off all year and that isn't happening imo.  I want Woods over Adams as I liked his game previous and we already got a peak at Adams.  That's what this place is for, people can state their opinions and challenge each other. I believe Ayers bring versatility.

Calling Ayers Rudy isn't necessary, fair or accurate. 

I don't think taking Ayers off for Woods is worth it.  Maybe there is another option.

Again don't care what the rest of us think.  And you are generalizing the forum opinion.  The reference to it being similar to cheering for the #2 qb hold  no weight imo.  You have twice in a row now mentioned what others think and that's why I mentioned the herd.  You claim it has nothing to do with it but make reference to it twice.

I have and often will go against the herd.  There is value in the diversity of ones opinion on here.

I wouldn't expect Woods to have a massive impact or make that many plays.  Would rotate and might pop who knows.

I value your opinion and you have made some good points.  This is a really close call.

MOS values ST players and so do I.  Adams feel victim to the #s game, performance based and also due to Person showing flashes.  I like you am not sure who is better Adam or Woods.  One poster early in the season had a good comparison and said one was better against the run, can't remember which one or who said it lol.

I'm with Techno, for Adams and Woods to have impact you need the combo imo.  No room for that this year.

We both said our piece, let's move on please.

You need to stop your efforts to curtail discussion here.

[Blue In BC]

It's looking pretty certain that Parker and Griffin will both be out this week. Wheatfall is certainly going to be out.

Roster on the AR will change as a result. TBD how we choose to deal with losing Parker. Sterns for Wheatfall is an obvious choice.