No secondary and turnovers

Austin85 · July 11, 2026, 03:35:04 AM

Love the win! Dru Brown is our qb in my opinion, better arm can move quicker and will get better with reps. He has not played all year and look what he done. We developed him and he should be our Quarterback. Our secondary needs improvement to many open receivers and poor, tackling. Turnovers tonite if eliminated would of lead us to more points. It's a nice win but we will face better teams and have to improve.

GH o bombers go! Dru Ian glad your home!!

Blue In BC · July 11, 2026, 03:39:49 AM

The defensive scheme is to give up yards in front of the DB's. It works best when you can get pressure on the QB and we did a better job of that tonight. It's less aggressive than I'd like and we often see 2nd and long completed which is very annoying.

I'm more annoyed we let the Argos drive 80 yards after the int in the end zone. Huge swing in points and momentum.

Tecno · July 11, 2026, 09:33:41 AM

I thought the DBs did astoundingly better in this game and the last one. That's partially because both games the other O didn't dink & dunk us. But also because our main problem was when a go-route or double-move extended out the back of our zone, we'd lose the guy or get too far behind. See: ESF, and our first 3 games. Remember how bad Moxey looked getting torched by RECs whizzing past him earlier this season?

They've really cleaned that up. The "last guy in the zone" is now quicker to react to these go routes. In fact, the biggest burn against our DBs this game was that go route where Nichols was too slow to turn his hips, and too slow to catch up. But for the most part all the other DBs kept those burns to a minimum.

I'm seeing lots of progress. And Major is rapidly becoming our 2nd best DB, which is quite astonishing. And Moxey really improving fast as he gets accustomed to our scheme. Only Nichols is looking a bit slow out there -- I wonder if he's nursing something vs having just "lost it".

(I'll put my Dru thoughts on the Dru threads)

Sir Blue and Gold · July 11, 2026, 12:50:01 PM

The defense looked like real football out there yesterday for probably the first game all season.

They attacked Chad Kelly. They hit him. They made him play faster than he wanted to. By the end of the game he felt it. The hits added up. It wasn't a free bingo night on the schedule at that position. That's how you win football games in October and November.

The secondary had a breakdown or two and Nichols still got beat all day but they looked better. They trusted the rush and played with more reasonable gaps. They contested balls. They tended to get beat when the rush didn't get there but I don't have a huge issue with that. You can't cover forever.

Aside from the first play of the game the run defense was effective. Toronto isn't exactly a prolific rushing team, but it's a good building block game.

The whole defense seemed tuned for a big home crowd instead of whatever it is that JY usually calls.

There's still a lot to fix but at least it's looking like we're trying to fix a professional defense now. Lots of four man front. It was a proper night of defense that just made sense even if we struggled a bit on second and ten in the second half.

Slingin Sammy · July 11, 2026, 02:36:26 PM

Nichols has been noticeably beaten in each of our games this year for explosion/chunk plays. I'm guessing it's a combo of scheme (soft zone) and father time catching up to him. Teams aren't afraid to attack him, which is different from previous years. If we had a better option at strong side HB, I'd consider moving him to safety.

Throw Long Bannatyne · July 12, 2026, 03:30:03 PM

Younger outsmarted everyone, Kramdi isn't lining up at Safety, in fact I don't think I saw a single Safety set, it seems to be a combo of Kelly and Holm covering the deep middle of the field. Kramdi looks to be playing a rover SAM position mostly off either corner of the box that allows him the flexibility to blitz when necessary or help out against the run. Like Griffin he is rarely isolated in pass coverage playing a short zone formation among the LB group.

Lincoln Locomotive · July 12, 2026, 03:42:14 PM

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 11, 2026, 03:39:49 AMThe defensive scheme is to give up yards in front of the DB's. It works best when you can get pressure on the QB and we did a better job of that tonight. It's less aggressive than I'd like and we often see 2nd and long completed which is very annoying.

I'm more annoyed we let the Argos drive 80 yards after the int in the end zone. Huge swing in points and momentum.

I agree as the Bombers D often makes great plays on first and 10 however they were failing at second and long too many times and I lost count.

Pete · July 12, 2026, 03:49:39 PM

Younger has also made a big adjustment starting with the Hamilton game, the dbs are tightening up there coverage and leaving a smaller cushion. The dink and dunk isnt there nearly as much. Part if this is the dbs are communicating better and quicker to react

Throw Long Bannatyne · July 12, 2026, 05:01:42 PM

Quote from: Pete on July 12, 2026, 03:49:39 PMYounger has also made a big adjustment starting with the Hamilton game, the dbs are tightening up there coverage and leaving a smaller cushion. The dink and dunk isnt there nearly as much. Part if this is the dbs are communicating better and quicker to react

OC's are no longer avoiding Bomber HB's, Nichols and Holm are seeing their share of challenges and losing many of them. The CB's have fared well considering how little time they've been here.

Stats Junkie · July 12, 2026, 06:24:57 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 12, 2026, 03:30:03 PMYounger outsmarted everyone, Kramdi isn't lining up at Safety, in fact I don't think I saw a single Safety set, it seems to be a combo of Kelly and Holm covering the deep middle of the field. Kramdi looks to be playing a rover SAM position mostly off either corner of the box that allows him the flexibility to blitz when necessary or help out against the run. Like Griffin he is rarely isolated in pass coverage playing a short zone formation among the LB group.

Early in the year, O'Shea was asked about Jones & Wilson switching positions compared to last season. His response was something like, players play multiple positions in Younger's defence and we have to list them somewhere on the depth chart.

I don't think we should read too much into the depth chart especially when Younger goes to a 4-1-7, 3-2-7 or 3-1-8 alignment (SLB is a DB position).

Tecno · July 13, 2026, 02:14:06 AM

Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on July 12, 2026, 03:42:14 PMI agree as the Bombers D often makes great plays on first and 10 however they were failing at second and long too many times and I lost count.

Because on 2nd & long the Younger D almost always goes prevent.

2nd & long:
Younger: "We got them right where we want them!"
Opponent OC: "We got them right where we want them!"

Tecno · July 13, 2026, 02:15:06 AM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 12, 2026, 03:30:03 PMYounger outsmarted everyone, Kramdi isn't lining up at Safety, in fact I don't think I saw a single Safety set, it seems to be a combo of Kelly and Holm covering the deep middle of the field. Kramdi looks to be playing a rover SAM position mostly off either corner of the box that allows him the flexibility to blitz when necessary or help out against the run.

Ya I was watching for Kramdi. Lots of SAM, even some WILL. He was back sometimes on 2-safety sets, I think. He was doing a LOT of directing. Whatever it was, it worked out a lot better.

Throw Long Bannatyne · July 13, 2026, 03:56:00 AM

Quote from: Tecno on July 13, 2026, 02:15:06 AMYa I was watching for Kramdi. Lots of SAM, even some WILL. He was back sometimes on 2-safety sets, I think. He was doing a LOT of directing. Whatever it was, it worked out a lot better.

Did you ever see Kramdi or Griffin leave the field or were they both on for every defensive play?

Blueforlife · July 13, 2026, 04:02:20 AM

Quote from: Slingin Sammy on July 11, 2026, 02:36:26 PMNichols has been noticeably beaten in each of our games this year for explosion/chunk plays. I'm guessing it's a combo of scheme (soft zone) and father time catching up to him. Teams aren't afraid to attack him, which is different from previous years. If we had a better option at strong side HB, I'd consider moving him to safety.

Terrible idea to move him to S. He is struggling and this would make it worse imo. He is where he should be. He has struggled. Hopefully finds his way.

Funny how the criticism by some of Kramdi went a little quiet. He had a GAME! Bird?

Quote from: Tecno on July 13, 2026, 02:15:06 AMYa I was watching for Kramdi. Lots of SAM, even some WILL. He was back sometimes on 2-safety sets, I think. He was doing a LOT of directing. Whatever it was, it worked out a lot better.

I didn't notice that but explains a lot. The Younger system simply works because its so flexible. Where is the D sucks and demote Younger crowd this week? Nice to see that settled down lol.

Moxie looked very good. Major is very good for a rookie. D starting to cook but needs to do that for 3-4 games before we can say its a force again.

Tecno · July 13, 2026, 04:07:31 AM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 13, 2026, 03:56:00 AMDid you ever see Kramdi or Griffin leave the field or were they both on for every defensive play?

Kramdi & Griffin were going on & off. Griffin for sure. But I feel Kramdi too. Would have to re-study to confirm... might try to do that. But it stands to reason since we do have so many "rotational" guys that get regular sets, AND it was crazy hot out there at the start, so spelling the front 7 (that Kramdi was part of sometimes) would make sense.

However, we saw a lot more Kyrie than usual, and Jones is almost an every-down guy. And lots of Kelly and Smith. Something has to give for all these other players to be on, too.