Strevy's a Winning .750 QB

[Blueforlife]

The absurdity is using the win / loss as a primary consideration of performance. Yesterday we won in spite of Streveler not because of him.

We've won games with Collaros where he wasn't why we won. Defence, ST's breaks in a game one way or the other determine the outcome. The performance of the opponent as well.

You both are taking a very narrow view of his overall performance. It's been bad whether we've won or lost.

We are talking about Strev's record and ability to win ball games as a backup QB which he has done.  We are not talking about yesterday's game.  Regardless of his performance and stats, he has won ball games and contributed to allowing us a chance to make the playoffs.  Yes Strev doesn't take the credit for the Ws generally (did play well in BC) but it's a team game and he deserves some credit just like all three phases and our coaching in those victories.

Techno and I never spoke about performance, focus is the outcome/record.  Nothing absurb about that.  Agree to disagree and let's move on please.  We both repeating ourselves.

[dd]

To be clear, Streveler didn't win the game, the TEAM won the game DESPITE Streveler's pathetic 8 pass attempt 54 yard passing game. Vaval's missed FG return for a 110 yd TD was nothing short of miraculous, and Cam Allen's timely interceptions of sure points for lowly Ottawa and took points off the board for them that would have won them the gam, miracle #2.

It is good to see the team rally around and play outstanding ST and D football , much like they did when Vaval had 2 TD returns in Strev's other 'win', which again the team won despite Strev's poor performance.

This entire thread is ridiculous

[MATS]

I really thought Lapo's explanation of playing backup quarterbacks was excellent. The coaches see the quarterbacks every day. If Wilson was truly better he would be playing. O'Shea quietly without fanfare replaces playerS IF they have a better option. Many fans including myself wanted Mitchell to play but I would have to say he is not a game breaker and truly not a star.

[Blueforlife]

I really thought Lapo's explanation of playing backup quarterbacks was excellent. The coaches see the quarterbacks every day. If Wilson was truly better he would be playing. O'Shea quietly without fanfare replaces playerS IF they have a better option. Many fans including myself wanted Mitchell to play but I would have to say he is not a game breaker and truly not a star.

Agree Lapo is rarely wrong and I enjoyed his take as well

[BlueInCgy]

My gawd this might be the most ridiculous thread ever.

We all love fur coat wearing 2019 Streveler and always will.  He's long gone.

Vaval is the primary reason for two of those wins.

Streveler proved yesterday he's a fullback.  Might be his career path forward, pull a Sinopoli and move out of the QB position cause it's not a good fit.  Let him hit people, he likes that.

He can't read a defence and he can't throw.  That was painfully obvious yesterday.  There were multiple receivers open on numerous plays but he went One Mississippi, tuck and run for a loss on nearly every non Brady play.

But let's take the more obvious position - Lewis Ward doesn't shank two kicks yesterday and we lose.

Again, we all love 2019 Strevy, but he doesn't exist anymore.  When the Bombers fail to make the GC this year, there are going to be a lot of questions about why, in a year where VAJ, MBT, Fajardo, Dolegala, Patterson, and Dukes were all available, we chose to stand still with status quo.  At the very least, we have to assume Wilson is a complete bust, and all of the above mentioned are better passers than Strev (and therefore Wilson), and most are not locker room problems.

If the Bombers start Strev again, it should cost Hogan his job (let's be honest he's gone at garbage bag day +1 anyway) and possibly MOS.

[Blueforlife]

My gawd this might be the most ridiculous thread ever.

We all love fur coat wearing 2019 Streveler and always will.  He's long gone.

Vaval is the primary reason for two of those wins.

Streveler proved yesterday he's a fullback.  Might be his career path forward, pull a Sinopoli and move out of the QB position cause it's not a good fit.  Let him hit people, he likes that.

He can't read a defence and he can't throw.  That was painfully obvious yesterday.  There were multiple receivers open on numerous plays but he went One Mississippi, tuck and run for a loss on nearly every non Brady play.

But let's take the more obvious position - Lewis Ward doesn't shank two kicks yesterday and we lose.

Again, we all love 2019 Strevy, but he doesn't exist anymore.  When the Bombers fail to make the GC this year, there are going to be a lot of questions about why, in a year where VAJ, MBT, Fajardo, Dolegala, Patterson, and Dukes were all available, we chose to stand still with status quo.  At the very least, we have to assume Wilson is a complete bust, and all of the above mentioned are better passers than Strev (and therefore Wilson), and most are not locker room problems.

If the Bombers start Strev again, it should cost Hogan his job (let's be honest he's gone at garbage bag day +1 anyway) and possibly MOS.

Techno has provided his take on  Strev's record.  I don't agree that Hogan is gone at the end of the season.  10 to 1 odds MOS isn't either, unless he chooses that.  Starting Strev again will cost no one their jobs.  100 to 1 odds on that.  Many of us have been on here and very long time and have seen it all, this is by far not the most ridiculous thread ever.  It's about Strev's ability to win ball games this year as a backup.  The weird and wacky threads we have all seen trumps this by 1000x.  Imo.  I enjoy Techno's takes in general and think this was a timely one. It goes against the grain which the herd clearly doesn't like but I do.

[theaardvark]

What he did lately is win a game and has a winning record this season.

That is a false narrative.

There is, in no way shape or form, any evidence that Streveler was needed for, let alone caused, the win.  I don't think the previously mentioned 10 year old, or myself, could have played QB and the team still won, but I have zero doubt that we don't win with any of our  rostered QB's.  I don't think anyone on our roster, QB or not, would not have won this game. 

CS17 did not "win" this game.  He don't even think his effort kept us from losing it.

QB's should win you games.  They should be able to take the team on their back and get you over the goal line.  Yes, there will be games where they struggle, and the team comes to their rescue, but I do not see this as one of those cases.

When a rookie receiver is so open that there is no one in his postal code, and he had to jump up and down and wave to get a pass thrown his way, that is sad.  Especially when that pass is 50% of your downfield completions.

We do not need a QB that we win in spite of.  And giving CS17 credit for being a .750 QB when he has a .640 completion percentage, and has thrown 11 picks vs 6 TD's is disingenuous.

I would say that there is a possibility we are 4-0 and not 3-1 if Wilson had started those 4 games.

In all the league, of passers with 100 attempts or more, CS17 has the worst:

Efficiency  68.6
INT %  7.7
Average yards per catch 7.5

You will not find a player or coach on this team that will complain about this, that is not what this team's dynamic is.

But it is time for an intervention.  Someone HAS to take away his keys.  I'd suggest it's time for Walters or Miller to make a roster change to prevent MOS from putting him back out there. Like when Billy Beane Traded Pena so that Howe couldn't start him in Moneyball.  We have to let MOS get out of his own way and get back to coaching a winning team.
 

[BlueInCgy]

I like Wilson but we will never know if he would have won.  He would have thrown more and like created more turnovers imo.  He would have had more yards in the air and less running.

In the end winning is all that matters, don't ask you how, how many.

How many above .500 teams have we beat this year - 0. 

How many other teams have more interceptions than touchdowns - 0.

How many GCs have we won in the past 3 years - 0.

Those are the how manys you seem to be ignoring.

[BlueInCgy]

Techno has provided his take on  Strev's record.  I don't agree that Hogan is gone at the end of the season.  10 to 1 odds MOS isn't either, unless he chooses that.  Starting Strev again will cost no one their jobs.  100 to 1 odds on that.  Many of us have been on here and very long time and have seen it all, this is by far not the most ridiculous thread ever.  It's about Strev's ability to win ball games this year as a backup.  The weird and wacky threads we have all seen trumps this by 1000x.  Imo.  I enjoy Techno's takes in general and think this was a timely one. It goes against the grain which the herd clearly doesn't like but I do.

Again, I'll take your odds.  Same stakes.  Man up if you believe. 

[theaardvark]

Loyalty and team dynamic has served MOS and the WFC very, very well. 

Walters has put on his big boy pants and made difficult off season decisions to move on from very good and very popular players, and for the most part has looked pretty good doing it, more often than not his moves have worked, both short and long term.  No GM will be 100% in roster moves, and there will always be the ones that got away or come back to haunt you, but overall, Walters has been pretty solid.

I'm not sure, though, within the Mafia, what the roster setting dynamic is.  Walters is in charge of getting players onto the roster, and no doubt includes MOS in deciding which players to pursue and bring in.

But who is the deciding factor on where on the roster they are, and where on the DC they are.

Does Walters get given some input?  Should he be involved?  If MOS decides Wilson should never see the field, should he tell Walters to get him someone new?  If Walters wants to see what game Wilson has before he makes off season decisions, should he be able to tell MOS to move him up the DC?

Are these discussions happening now?  Is the front office on the same page, or is there internal conflict to be dealt with internally?

Does Jarious Jackson have any input?  Or Hogan?

We are at an inflection point, where the team can make the turn and the run for a home GC appearance.  We did it in 2019 and started a dynasty by bringing in Collaros.  How do we repeat that in 2025?

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Great quote from Strev.

"As weird as it looks, it feels weird. I'm like, 'Have I completed a ball in the last two hours, what's going on?' Then you look up and it's like, 'Ok, let's go put a drive together to put this away and win,' and we did that at the end."
-Chris Streveler

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Loyalty and team dynamic has served MOS and the WFC very, very well. 

Walters has put on his big boy pants and made difficult off season decisions to move on from very good and very popular players, and for the most part has looked pretty good doing it, more often than not his moves have worked, both short and long term.  No GM will be 100% in roster moves, and there will always be the ones that got away or come back to haunt you, but overall, Walters has been pretty solid.

I'm not sure, though, within the Mafia, what the roster setting dynamic is.  Walters is in charge of getting players onto the roster, and no doubt includes MOS in deciding which players to pursue and bring in.

But who is the deciding factor on where on the roster they are, and where on the DC they are.

Does Walters get given some input?  Should he be involved?  If MOS decides Wilson should never see the field, should he tell Walters to get him someone new?  If Walters wants to see what game Wilson has before he makes off season decisions, should he be able to tell MOS to move him up the DC?

Are these discussions happening now?  Is the front office on the same page, or is there internal conflict to be dealt with internally?

Does Jarious Jackson have any input?  Or Hogan?

We are at an inflection point, where the team can make the turn and the run for a home GC appearance.  We did it in 2019 and started a dynasty by bringing in Collaros.  How do we repeat that in 2025?

Nothing is going to be said or done as long as Strev wins, and if Zach returns for the Ti-Cat game, we may not see him again this season.

[BBRT]

Absurd view. If 11 yards passing in the 1st half doesn't convince you then it's not worth debating.

And on this I agree - 11 yards passing in a half will not win you games. And this against the worse team in the CFL. If there is any hope of making the playoffs in any form or fashion that Stev will not take you there and IMHO that is very painfully obvious.

[BBRT]

Again, I'll take your odds.  Same stakes.  Man up if you believe. 

And where is Nasty Nate when you need him??

[Pigskin]

I like Wilson but we will never know if he would have won.  He would have thrown more and like created more turnovers imo.  He would have had more yards in the air and less running.

In the end winning is all that matters, don't ask you how, how many.  That's the crux of Techno's thread imo.
Techno and I are talking about his overall performance and record (not yesterday's match or performance).  Nothing absurb about that.  Strev has helped us win ball games.  Ugly wins but wins none the less.

Just because one's view doesn't match the herds, doesn't make it absurd imo.Firing Dyce now is a terrible idea imo.  The thread is about Strev in general and his record.He did more than that.  He provided his take on Strev, his record and what he has done all year.  He isn't talking about one win.  He is taking a overall view of his performance and the fact that Strev has and can win (more than half the games).  That was a reasonable take.

Techno also touched on why Strev plays and finishes the game that Zach can't.  I'll add that Strev'a durability is a factor.  He has shown can stay healthy and play hurt.  He can gut out terrible outing and bounce back.  He isn't the answer at QB but he can also win you a game in a pinch, which is good enough for this season (if our leader can come back).

Strev wouldn't have a winning record against top teams but grinding wins against average and below helps salvage our season.  We don't have an ideal QB situation but that's ok.  It is what it is.

If your QB isn't going to have a winning record against top teams, what good is he to us in the Playoffs if we need him.