Strevy's a Winning .750 QB

[Blueforlife]

If your QB isn't going to have a winning record against top teams, what good is he to us in the Playoffs if we need him.

90% of the backups in this league are in that group.  Strev isn't here to win us playoffs games.  He is an insurance policy for reg season.

[Blueforlife]

How many above .500 teams have we beat this year - 0. 

How many other teams have more interceptions than touchdowns - 0.

How many GCs have we won in the past 3 years - 0.

Those are the how manys you seem to be ignoring.

The thread is above Strev and his winning record.  Has nothing to do with what you have posted

Again, I'll take your odds.  Same stakes.  Man up if you believe. 

Nobody is losing their job if Strev starts again.  MOS isn't losing his job.  We can revist this when the time comes.  The odds are a fun way to present an argument.  I'll get the roasting pan ready.  Wings or thighs? I want to pre order the bird when its on sale lol.

And where is Nasty Nate when you need him??

Can we have him reinstated? Anyone have his #?

[theaardvark]

Nothing is going to be said or done as long as Strev is playing and the team[/b] wins, and if Zach returns for the Ti-Cat game, we may not see him again this season.

With Collaros recent injury history, I am not optimistic of him playing out the entire season.  Our #2 QB will play again, and, God forbid, might even have to start in the post season.

We will not win another game going 2-7 for 35 yards (I'm not counting Mitchell's handoff pass).

I'd love Strevy in the QB3 role for years to come.  Short Yardage, with the occasional tempo pass after would be amazing.  And, should the planets align and we lose QB1 and QB2 in a single game, he can come in and hand the ball off, and maybe that surprise juke forward and drop back and throw to a wide open man forgotten in coverage.

But we need a QB2 that can throw the ball, read a defence and win a game for you when your D or ST struggles.

[TecnoGenius]

Lovin' this thread.  I knew it would be misread and kick the hornet's nest!  You gals/guys never disappoint.     

[TecnoGenius]

90% of the backups in this league are in that group.  Strev isn't here to win us playoffs games.  He is an insurance policy for reg season.

Excluding Cody, who really isn't a "backup" to "QB" Ford, I'm pretty sure no other backup in the league who has started at least 3 games this season is over .500, let alone .750.  And even Cody hasn't made .500 I don't think!

Strev's job as injury-catastrophe backup is to keep us in the hunt by getting .500.  Is he doing that?  100% he is.  AND HE ALWAYS HAS.  That's all I said, and no one can dispute it's true because it's a fact in the game standings.

[TecnoGenius]

Does Walters get given some input?  Should he be involved?  If MOS decides Wilson should never see the field, should he tell Walters to get him someone new?

Everyone is like "if Wilson can't throw better than Strev, why is he here? Cut him".  But this is shortsighted and missing the big picture.  I don't think Wilson is better than Strev as a starter right now.  Mafia thinks Strev will get us more wins than Wilson.  Period.  That's all they are considering.  They don't give a flying poop how many passing yards anyone gets.  Not one bit.

Wilson may be kept (now and in '26) because we know for a fact he's a good SY guy.  Strev might get injured again, who knows.  So Wilson may be needed.  Second, he knows the system and if both Zach/Strev are IR then Wilson is a better choice to start than some airlift guy like Dolegala (as proven in the GC).

Lastly, many QBs took 4-7 years to truly blossom.  Wilson may still be one of these guys.  Maybe he's the next VAJ.  If nothing better comes along, keep chipping away.  You never know.

[TecnoGenius]

Again, I'll take your odds.  Same stakes.  Man up if you believe.

I will make bets with anyone at 100-to-1 (in my favor) that Strev starts the next game, not Wilson, if Zach is still hurt.  Surely no one is stupid enough to think after a win they yank Strev for Wilson??  In what world do you do that?

Does no one remember Crum's first couple of games, including the original Crumback game?  Ya, I don't recall him passing for much of anything.  Maybe he got more yards than Strev in that game, but he didn't throw for 400!

[RebusRankin]

Crum passed for 261 in the Crumback game.

I do agree with Techno that Streveler starts next game.

[TecnoGenius]

That is a false narrative.

It's not.  You misread the OP and inserted your own narrative.

CS17 did not "win" this game.  He don't even think his effort kept us from losing it.

And yet, just like MLB pitchers, QBs "get the win" stat when they win.  I don't make the stats or rules.  This is just the way it's done.  When people consider a QB's legacy, what do they instantly go to: wins (reg season and cups).  No one gives a poop about yards, unless they are the all-time best once-in-25-years like Calvillo.

So yes, for all intents and purposes, Strev "won" this game.  In the books it will be a win for Strev.

I am NOT disagreeing with you on most of your other points.  I never once said he was "good" or would drive the field 5X for passing TDs and get you an impossible win.  Talking about that is fair, but it in no way makes my OP wrong.

Like when Billy Beane Traded Pena so that Howe couldn't start him in Moneyball.  We have to let MOS get out of his own way and get back to coaching a winning team.

Funny you bring up Moneyball.  This Strevy situation is precisely Moneyball.  "Ya, but does Strev win you games."  Well, yes he does, by definition, because he got the wins.  The nerdy guy in the movie would be hiring Strev because he gets the result that matters on paper, even though every one says he's crap and no one likes him.

[TecnoGenius]

Vaval is the primary reason for two of those wins.

And Grant/Lucky, or the D, or whoever, were responsible for a ton of Nichols/Zach wins in '19-'23.  What's your point?

"Ultimate team game".  Surely the "lucky breaks on ST/D" even out over time?  Zach got the benefit of the same ST/D all year, yet he has a worse record than Strev?

I understand and agree with much of what you are saying, but the W stat is the W stat, and no one can deny Strev this stat.

If the Bombers start Strev again, it should cost Hogan his job (let's be honest he's gone at garbage bag day +1 anyway) and possibly MOS.

Well, get prepared to fire everyone, because Strev is starting at home in 1 week if Zach isn't ready.

[TecnoGenius]

That is not the definition of reasonable.

And yet it's a fact.  Hmm...

Another fact, in 2018 when Strev started for us a whole ton, he was close to .500 for us too.  Add in this season and I do believe he's over .500 for us.  What more can you ask of a $115k backup who also does great SY for you??

[TecnoGenius]

Crum passed for 261 in the Crumback game.

Ok, decent, but how much was garbage time when we were playing way off thinking we fully had that in the bag?  I have it on PVR, I can go back and check.

If D's start playing 20Y off on Strev, he'll get decent yards too!

[TecnoGenius]

We beat a 4-9 team. Team effort, Strev played it safe and gutted out the win, protected the ball. It is the epitome of game manager albeit a one dimensional one. He deserves credit but we can't pretend winning like this can be a regular thing.

All true.  You get it!  Strev won for us kind of like '15-'16 Nichols did.  Ya ya, Nichols threw for more.  But it's more a "don't lose this" mentality than "go out and grab a win".

I fully expect Strev to continue to lose half his starts.  Because he's a .500 QB, and that's his job.  No one expects Strev to win much more than that.  And no one expects Strev to win a playoff game (heaven forbid).

And if he was the next Kelly our Rourke, he wouldn't be $115k...

[DM83]

My God.  You guys are so rediculous.
I am sure everyone in the clubhouse knows Strev ain't a good passer.
But given the situation, asa team of men, not hypocrites, a team of guys who have given all they could to help Winnipeg win, it's been said, and Can't you see Mike or Wade standing up, saying, Geez Zac, hurry up and get better. And MOS saying, well Strev, can ya give us one more?

Obviously knowing the other " boys. Deemed to be QBs " are cute little boys dressed up at practice, to collect balls.  Can't you see? Management won't even let these guys on the field.

There is the scene, Strev, with his surgically repaired knees says, gulp..."next man up" slaps the ball and says, "let's go,"

He's doin what he was kept on the roster for....leadership. Just do it!  Strevlore, and Olivier, Demski, Stan, Neuf and Jones and Willieand the newbie at safety, hallelujah, saints preserve, it was a miracle.

The odds were against us, and guess what.  Manhood not bebaters, went out and kicked ***.  Did you see the last three minutes? How many yards a pop? Ya want stats, 5 pass attempts? Who cares? How about 50 yards in  five plays! That's leadership!  Good job boys!

[TecnoGenius]

Best DM83 post ever, typos and all.  Assuming it's not all sarcasm, I completely agree.  And your fly-on-the-PAS-wall conversation transcript is probably EXACTLY what went down.