Bombers vs Elks - pregame discussion home and home matchup

The Zipp · September 08, 2024, 11:16:59 PM

Both teams on the bye, confirmed by Edmonton it will be Ford vs Ford as their Ford gets the start. Bit surprised at that given how MBT has been playing.

The two brothers are spending the bye week together.

Edmonton has turned the corner and they have some players on their team. This away game will not be easy for the Bombers.

What the Qb depth chart will look like will be a topic of discussion - expect Strev to go on the 6 game.

3 teams on bye this week - thankfully NFL is around

dd · September 08, 2024, 11:48:39 PM

I think its wise of Edmonton to start Ford-- his scrambling ability will give our defense fits, and if MBT starts, he would be picked off severly by our secondary. I think Ford will run away from Willy and Kramdi's side and take his chances running vs our heavier and slower linebackers. Its unconventional, but I would start a speed guy like Holm or Kramdi as our other DE and send him in on contain and make Ford pass the ball. He scrambles and its going to be a long day for us

Blueforlife · September 09, 2024, 12:13:21 AM

Quote from: dd on September 08, 2024, 11:48:39 PMI think its wise of Edmonton to start Ford-- his scrambling ability will give our defense fits, and if MBT starts, he would be picked off severly by our secondary. I think Ford will run away from Willy and Kramdi's side and take his chances running vs our heavier and slower linebackers. Its unconventional, but I would start a speed guy like Holm or Kramdi as our other DE and send him in on contain and make Ford pass the ball. He scrambles and its going to be a long day for us

Hard pass on DB/LB as DE

Spy him yes

GOLDMEMBER · September 09, 2024, 01:07:50 AM

Get Ford to spy Ford. How can the Bombers lose that match up?

Sir Blue and Gold · September 09, 2024, 02:31:39 AM

Edmonton is a lot better than the Riders. Going to be tough games. Don't think we can beat them on the offensive or defensive lines.

Pete · September 09, 2024, 04:03:20 PM

Collaros seems to be more effective right now when hes not playing with a lead. More assertive and looking to push the ball downfield.
When we have the lead even a small one our whole offence gets conservative and Zac Gets tentative becoming a game manager rather than a driver.
I get it esp in 4th qtr but its keeping games close where anything can happen

Pigskin · September 09, 2024, 04:19:26 PM

I think our O is at there best when they play up-tempo.

Throw Long Bannatyne · September 09, 2024, 04:21:59 PM

Quote from: Pete on September 09, 2024, 04:03:20 PMCollaros seems to be more effective right now when hes not playing with a lead. More assertive and looking to push the ball downfield.
When we have the lead even a small one our whole offence gets conservative and Zac Gets tentative becoming a game manager rather than a driver.
I get it esp in 4th qtr but its keeping games close where anything can happen

I disagree, a game manager takes what is given and easily moves the ball down field bit by bit, ie Matt Nichols. Zach spends most of the game looking for lower percentage big shots to move the ball in bigger chunks and teams are not giving those plays up easily. He needs to use more than Brady as an outlet to be an effective game manager.

TecnoGenius · September 10, 2024, 02:58:27 AM

Quote from: dd on September 08, 2024, 11:48:39 PMbut I would start a speed guy like Holm or Kramdi as our other DE and send him in on contain and make Ford pass the ball. He scrambles and its going to be a long day for us

We basically already do this when we rush 3, and guys like Hallett#21 are flat-roamers and spies who rush the QB if they roll out of the pocket. I would expect we continue with that.

Whether the extra DI is a guy like Bridges or we use a more traditional position, remains to be seen. Ford is run-mostly ya, but he's a pipsqueak with no beef, so putting extra beefy LBers or DTs in buys you nothing.

TecnoGenius · September 10, 2024, 03:00:17 AM

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 09, 2024, 01:07:50 AMGet Ford to spy Ford. How can the Bombers lose that match up?

If Ford & Ford are 1-on-1 in a blitz and it turns into the Irish rushing the Irish scene in Braveheart... and they have a handshake and greetings instead of a tackle

TecnoGenius · September 10, 2024, 03:05:28 AM

Quote from: Pigskin on September 09, 2024, 04:19:26 PMI think our O is at there best when they play up-tempo.

Except in every single game we spend at least 3Q bleeding the clock like crazy. We are the master clock-bleeders and our strategy in every game is to shorten the game while keeping it close.

We save the tempo O game only when we're down to end the game, or when it's a 2 min drill to end the first half to get points.

But yes, MOS/Mafia have perfected the tempo game probably better than any other team in the league, and they did so back in like 2017. Clearly it was/is a priority, as that's how you win the close games we try to create.

Watching how pathetic other teams' tempo is gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Even powerhouses like TOR and BC stink at it. MTL is probably the best one after us.

Pigskin · September 10, 2024, 04:35:33 PM

I was surprised to see Edmonton has put up 385 points to lead the league. However there D has allowed 342 points which is the 3rd. worst in the CFL.

Pigskin · September 10, 2024, 07:07:26 PM

ZC8: 242/354 PCT. 68.4% 2932 yards, 8.3 Avg. 8 TDs, 13 Ints. 24 Sacks.

BO20: 158/894 yards, 5.66 Avg. Longest run 28 yards.

Wilson: 50/789 yards, 15.78 Avg. 191 Yac.

Best Yac: BO20 322, ND10 249.

DS83: 3 games, 14/159. Johnson: 10 games, 18/138 yards, 97 Yac.

Best KR: Case 25.17 avg. Longest 38 yards. PR: 252 yards, 1050 avg. Lucky 10.86 avg.

Holm: 57 DTs 2 STs.
BA37: 49 DTs.
Kramdi: 45 DTs.
Ford: 35 DTs, 3 STs, 6 Int.

WJ5: 22 DTs, 6 sacks.
JT95: 19 DTs, 1 sack.
Adams: 14 DTs, 4 Sacks.

CAD: 13 STs
Ayers: 12 STs
Grif: 11 STs.

295 PF, Strev/Castillo 205 of those 295.

Another 18 points score by the D and teams.

Blue In BC · September 10, 2024, 08:21:21 PM

Elks are closing in on the Sliders for 3rd spot. OTOH, we don't want to be the team that loses our hold on 1st place. Time to close the door on the Elks come back.

Ford can run and is most dangerous when he breaks contain. That's where we need to focus by keeping him the pocket. I don't think he can be as successful if we do that.

Pigskin · September 10, 2024, 09:54:42 PM

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 10, 2024, 08:21:21 PMElks are closing in on the Sliders for 3rd spot. OTOH, we don't want to be the team that loses our hold on 1st place. Time to close the door on the Elks come back.

Ford can run and is most dangerous when he breaks contain. That's where we need to focus by keeping him the pocket. I don't think he can be as successful if we do that.

They have a couple of weapons in there running game. I think they will go run heavy to start the game.