We need a backup quarterback!

Started by Austin85, September 02, 2024, 04:14:41 AM

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TecnoGenius

Quote from: peg_city on September 09, 2024, 07:49:04 PMPer three down nation:

This is fine, we have a hole right now and this is the fastest way to fill it.  I don't take this as any indication that we won't still got legit #2 shopping (couch, trade).  This is just what we can do right now.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: jdrattops on September 09, 2024, 07:52:53 PMI like Cornelius if he's in game shape.  We need someone with experience in the CFL game who can do short yardage and manage a game of needed.  He was with the Esks/Elks during the wreckage and IMO never had the coaching even close to what he would get here.

We need a smart QB.  Corny, I'm convinced, is basically a box of nails.  He has the tools in spades but absolutely no mental awareness or feel for the game.  Kind of like Dom Davis.  Maybe they can be ok SY QBs, but they make horrible starters.

Nichols was smart.  Zach is smart.  We need someone smart.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: peg_city on September 09, 2024, 04:45:33 PMA couple of more losses and Calgary is out of it.

Wilson could be our short yardage QB. Maier is our back-up.

Unless BLM is available, Maier might be the best option.

Quote from: peg_city on September 09, 2024, 12:14:53 PMJake Maier time?

Maier would be a 100% perfect fit as a WPG #2.  However, he's probably $400k-ish level, right?  Maybe we could squeak that through the SMS with only 6 games left??

It would only work if Dickenson The Greater truly is done with Maier in his mind.  I think he is.  And the trade ask might not be huge, because CGY would shed/save just as much SMS as it would cost us.  With the savings CGY could go get guys they think will help the future.

That said, my first choice would be HAM's Powell.  I think he's ready for primetime and may surprise to the upside and be even better than Maier.
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jdrattops

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 09, 2024, 09:53:07 PMWe need a smart QB.  Corny, I'm convinced, is basically a box of nails.  He has the tools in spades but absolutely no mental awareness or feel for the game.  Kind of like Dom Davis.  Maybe they can be ok SY QBs, but they make horrible starters.

Nichols was smart.  Zach is smart.  We need someone smart.

I'm still putting some of the smarts on the coaching he received while in Edmonton.  We also need someone who can get us a yard, which he was more than capable of doing over his short career.

dd

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 09, 2024, 09:56:54 PMMaier would be a 100% perfect fit as a WPG #2.  However, he's probably $400k-ish level, right?  Maybe we could squeak that through the SMS with only 6 games left??

It would only work if Dickenson The Greater truly is done with Maier in his mind.  I think he is.  And the trade ask might not be huge, because CGY would shed/save just as much SMS as it would cost us.  With the savings CGY could go get guys they think will help the future.

That said, my first choice would be HAM's Powell.  I think he's ready for primetime and may surprise to the upside and be even better than Maier.

Dickenson has got to figure out what the heck he's doing. He ran BLM out of town for Maier and now he's running Maier out of town for Bonner?? Bonner isn't #1 material, not now, not ever. He's the one that wanted Maier, so stick with him during his rutt like MOS did with Collaros and work yourself out of this rutt. I'd even put Tommy Stevens in over Bonner.

Blueforlife

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Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 09, 2024, 09:49:58 PMNo we don't.  Wilson is the dev QB.  We don't need 2.  If you have 2 dev rookies then you have a 10% chance + a 10% chance of having someone that can win you anything, and at best it's probably .500.  That doesn't win cups.

In week 15 we must now only focus on the playoff run.
A hard debate.  If the club believes in Wilson so do I.  If they don't think he is ready to be a #2, then bring in someone with experience.  The coaches and management would have a pretty good idea on this.  If Strev can heal up might be ok.  A tough spot and no easy answer imo.  They might not know the deal on Strev for a few weeks.

Big Daddy

Quote from: Blueforlife on September 10, 2024, 01:49:17 AMA hard debate.  If the club believes in Wilson so do I.  If they don't think he is ready to be a #2, then bring in someone with experience.  The coaches and management would have a pretty good idea on this.  If Strev can heal up might be ok.  A tough spot and no easy answer imo.  They might not know the deal on Strev for a few weeks.

Agree with everything here, just cautious about the last point myself. It is very likely they know exactly what they are dealing with for Strev's injury.  That should not be difficult.

Blueforlife

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Quote from: Big Daddy on September 10, 2024, 02:13:10 AMAgree with everything here, just cautious about the last point myself. It is very likely they know exactly what they are dealing with for Strev's injury.  That should not be difficult.
They know what the injury is but the healing time can vary is what I meant.  But yes, they will have a very good intial idea of what they are dealing with.  Earlier in his career he played hurt.  Not so sure he would be as willing now as he could jeopardize his future earning potential and also his post football lifestyle. He is a warrior, sure hope he is a quick healer for whatever he has injuried.

bunker

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 09, 2024, 09:56:54 PMMaier would be a 100% perfect fit as a WPG #2.  However, he's probably $400k-ish level, right?  Maybe we could squeak that through the SMS with only 6 games left??

That said, my first choice would be HAM's Powell.  I think he's ready for primetime and may surprise to the upside and be even better than Maier.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 09, 2024, 09:56:54 PMMaier would be a 100% perfect fit as a WPG #2.  However, he's probably $400k-ish level, right?  Maybe we could squeak that through the SMS with only 6 games left??

It would only work if Dickenson The Greater truly is done with Maier in his mind.  I think he is.  And the trade ask might not be huge, because CGY would shed/save just as much SMS as it would cost us.  With the savings CGY could go get guys they think will help the future.

That said, my first choice would be HAM's Powell.  I think he's ready for primetime and may surprise to the upside and be even better than Maier.


Maier reworked his contract so that he got a 150,000 signing bonus, with a salary that's only 189,000. So for 6 games, we could likely find a way to afford him. Having said that, I'm not sure they would let him go until they are eliminated. I don't think he's great, but there's not much out there that is.

Powell was extended to 2025 by Hamilton. They won't trade him, I think they see him as a potential future starter for them.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: jdrattops on September 09, 2024, 10:56:43 PMI'm still putting some of the smarts on the coaching he received while in Edmonton.  We also need someone who can get us a yard, which he was more than capable of doing over his short career.

Do we?  Wilson did 2 SY I think after Strev got hurt.  He did it just as good as Strev.  Small sample size, but dude is 6'3 207 lbs, so should have the tools, I'm guessing/hoping.

Mafia will know if they think he can handle SY.  Mafia won't know if he can step into a game and light it up like Dru did in his 3rd year -- no one can know that until it happens -- but the raw odds are not in his favor.  The odds would be much higher if he was in his 2nd/3rd year with us like Dru was.

If Wilson can't handle SY and he isn't some magical unicorn who is a legit starter in his rookie season, then we are in a world of hurt.  That would mean we need to find 2 vet guys and Wilson goes to PR as the future project.

That's why, until I hear otherwise, I'll assume Mafia will use Wilson as SY and go shopping for an established #2.  Or we don't, and we stand pat, and sacrifice chickens to the volcano to keep Zach from getting injured.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: dd on September 10, 2024, 01:28:52 AMDickenson has got to figure out what the heck he's doing. He ran BLM out of town for Maier and now he's running Maier out of town for Bonner?? Bonner isn't #1 material, not now, not ever.

Bonner isn't #1 now, but he may be in 2 more seasons.  No one can tell after 1 game.  I bet Wilson would look exactly the same if we thrust him into #1 in his rookie season.  Almost every rookie QB would.

Remember, most of the unknown QBs who step in and look great are 3rd+ year players, or at the very least 2nd year.  They have been in the system and learning behind great #1s.  It's not some magic and luck they are good... they've been groomed for it.  And many/most still fail even then!

Quote from: dd on September 10, 2024, 01:28:52 AMHe's the one that wanted Maier, so stick with him during his rutt like MOS did with Collaros and work yourself out of this rutt. I'd even put Tommy Stevens in over Bonner.

They can't.  Is this nearly 3 seasons starting Maier now, or 2?  Doesn't matter.  No one thinks Maier will take CGY to the cup.  Maier is barely able to get you .500.  Strev could do better than that!  For 1/4 the price!  And added fan excitement!  Maier excites no one.

Dickenson The Greater's job is on the line here, and the move was forced.  Fans were sick of Maier, and I bet the players were too.  If Dickie misses the playoffs this season after having very bad seasons in the previous two, then they'll likely oust him unless he's somehow secured Dictator For Life status.  In that case they'll just watch the stands become emptier and emptier.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was on the blower right now shopping for legit win-capable QBs for a trade, kind of like we are.  But they'll have an eye to 2025 whereas we only need a short term rental because Zach is clearly the guy next year.

Dickenson The Greater tied his wagon to Maier, really believe in him as a cerebral medium-talent low-athleticism decent-price solution.  I think it was a reasonable gamble, it just didn't pay off in the end.  There is no good answer for "right now" for them, but it's best to cut bait and go cold turkey and see what they can come up with as the future #1.

Maier should make a very good career being the #2 on any other team.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: bunker on September 10, 2024, 02:25:30 AMMaier reworked his contract so that he got a 150,000 signing bonus, with a salary that's only 189,000. So for 6 games, we could likely find a way to afford him. Having said that, I'm not sure they would let him go until they are eliminated. I don't think he's great, but there's not much out there that is.



I think Dickie gives Maier until seasons end to turn things around, he's not going to trade or cut him with only Bonner and Stevens left on the roster. Maier has clearly fallen short of this year's goal of improved performance, if he can't become a good QB in the Stamps system you have to wonder if he can become a good QB at all.

Can't quite figure out the scenario in Calgary but it never seems management is under much pressure because neither the fans or the owner seems to care nowdays, it's kind of like a hobby football club.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: bunker on September 10, 2024, 02:25:30 AMMaier reworked his contract so that he got a 150,000 signing bonus, with a salary that's only 189,000. So for 6 games, we could likely find a way to afford him. Having said that, I'm not sure they would let him go until they are eliminated. I don't think he's great, but there's not much out there that is.

Unless CGY signs Masoli or Powell from HAM tomorrow, I really don't see CGY winning anything else this season.  So I think everyone would consider them eliminated.  With EDM rising, even SSK thinks they may miss the playoffs because of them, and SSK is miles better than CGY.

Dickenson The Greater isn't stupid: he'll already know if 2024 is hopeless and if so will smartly adjust the entire plan to 2025 right now.  That means forgetting about hoarding assets that help 2024 but are useless in 2025 (i.e. Maier).  If he isn't ousted at the end of this year, he will be if he can't improve the team in 2025!!

Quote from: bunker on September 10, 2024, 02:25:30 AMPowell was extended to 2025 by Hamilton. They won't trade him, I think they see him as a potential future starter for them.

I agree.  HAM will be dumping BLM in FA, who will retire.  Then they either put all their eggs in Powell (who might do well!), or they'll be aggressively shopping for a VAJ-like answer in FA.

But there is a chance they've already decided Powell won't be win-capable enough in 2025... and they really need to start winning then or Milanovitch may lose his job.  Remember, HAM has been sucking badly since the '21 GC loss.  Fans get restless after that long a lull.

My point being that there is a chance HAM will let Powell go, so we might as well ask them.  However, if we trade, then we may have trouble dumping him in the off-season?  Doubt we can afford him + Zach... though that would be very intriguing going into 2026 if we could!!
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Big Daddy

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 10, 2024, 02:40:48 AMI think Dickie gives Maier until seasons end to turn things around, he's not going to trade or cut him with only Bonner and Stevens left on the roster. Maier has clearly fallen short of this year's goal of improved performance, if he can't become a good QB in the Stamps system you have to wonder if he can become a good QB at all.

Can't quite figure out the scenario in Calgary but it never seems management is under much pressure because neither the fans or the owner seems to care nowdays, it's kind of like a hobby football club.

Funniest thing I read today - thanks TLB

BlueInCgy

Maier will be out of Calgary by the end of season.  Dickenson will drop the HC position, Killam will take the role he's been groomed for, and Dave will go all in on Adams next season, and Adams/Stevens could be a deadly combo.

As far as we go, I'd prefer we not sign any of the Rider rejects (Fine, Dolegala, etc), they all strike me as Goltz/Brink 2024.  Cornelius - maybe.

I think we move away from Strev in the off season, and Zach will be done after 25, if Wilson is the heir apparent let's see what he's got.  Banking on him for this years playoff run feels like Dinwiddie Deja vu.