Good, Bad, and the Ugly.

Started by Pigskin, August 04, 2023, 02:03:38 PM

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bunker

Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 04, 2023, 08:57:16 PM
no our kick offs were fine, hit the 5 yard line, coverage bad
Kickoffs were usually around 15 yard line. Agree coverage was bad. Feels like it's been mediocre most of the year. I guess we always need at least one thing to complain about.

Pete

some more good
players that have been questioned showed up big time
Grays best game, (kolankowsi too)
Thomas made plays
Kramdl looked to be in good position throughout, also solid tackling
Alexander looked much better
Olines best overall game..did they even take one holding penalty?

Oh and that roughing call on Bighill was B****



pjrocksmb

Quote from: bunker on August 04, 2023, 11:11:19 PM
Kickoffs were usually around 15 yard line. Agree coverage was bad. Feels like it's been mediocre most of the year. I guess we always need at least one thing to complain about.
Kickoffs   NO   YDS   AVG   LNG



7   467   66.7   71

I don't know enough about kickoff stats to tell if this is good or not

TecnoGenius

GOOD

Where's the love for Hardrick and Bryant?  You want some fun, rewatch the game and focus on where Betts 90 lines up.  He was majority Hardrick, but lots of Bryant-side too.  They neutered Betts, the best pass rusher in the league (stats-wise).  Betts looked like a chump out there!

Hardrick was amazing, maybe his best game as a Bomber, and that's saying something.  And he knew he was un-passable because he got real fired up after the first quarter when he was feelin' it.

And our 6 man OL, TE and receiver pass protection schemes were also clobbering Betts.  Later in the game there was a funny one where JA27 was the Betts blocker and he chips him once, then twice, then gets in his way and Betts is trying to swat him away like he's a gnat.  But he held up Betts for a couple of seconds and completely eliminated him from that play.

It's funny, because we didn't usually double-team him.  Not sure I spotted even one.  But we definitely schemed around him.  We had a lot of plays where the play, whether run, sweep, screen or hot route was to the side Betts wasn't on.  Then our guy could just ignore or chip him and he has no hope of affecting the play.

I guess I now know how other teams feel when scheming around Willie.

All the hoggies were great, as others noted.  Neuf was especially stellar, and Gray/Ko-man didn't have any of their normal occasional screwups.  Dobson was very, very good at TE.  I watched him a lot.  Eli came in instead of Dobson for much of the 4th.  Basically looked like a smaller Dobson; play was equal though.

Give some big love to the big guys: they made maybe the best DL in the league (some would say, but not I) look like the JV squad.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: LXTSN on August 04, 2023, 03:14:24 PM
This is one that confuses me and I just need clairification...
Is grabbing the jersey at the collar considered a horse collar tackle?
I feel like it comes up a handful of times per year and is called differently all the time.

MOS addresses this in the post-game interview on the web site.  He said the league had some new clarifications this year and that according to them he thought it wasn't a HC.  I wonder if these were put in the rules, or more a "memo to the teams" "interpretations".  Love to see them if someone can find them.  He'll probably get the question in the Monday coaches show.

Every single angle except for one did NOT look like HC to me.  It was the one angle (not show @IGF) that made it look pretty HC.  Without knowing the "new rules" it's hard to say.  But MOS isn't stupid or frivolous with his nylon!!
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Quote from: Pigskin on August 04, 2023, 06:24:01 PM
Finally a running play for Prukop. I have been waiting for that since his returned. Like to see a few more Prukop running plays.

He's run a few times since coming back.  Almost all of them just got stuffed at the LoS.  Every single run-run-option by Prukop so far has been a Prukop run.  He has yet to hand it to Brady (or anyone else).

This is the first run he bust it out.  I laughed at BC at the time because they bit on the fake and let Prukop go to town.  They didn't get the memo that every time Prukop is in the game, he's running the ball.  Well, until he doesn't...
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bunker

Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 04, 2023, 11:34:47 PM
Kickoffs   NO   YDS   AVG   LNG



7   467   66.7   71

I don't know enough about kickoff stats to tell if this is good or not
They kick off from the 30 yard line, so if you do the math, average was to the 13.3 yard line. So pretty close to the 15 yard line, like I said.

theaardvark

Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 06, 2023, 06:26:59 AM
MOS addresses this in the post-game interview on the web site.  He said the league had some new clarifications this year and that according to them he thought it wasn't a HC.  I wonder if these were put in the rules, or more a "memo to the teams" "interpretations".  Love to see them if someone can find them.  He'll probably get the question in the Monday coaches show.

Every single angle except for one did NOT look like HC to me.  It was the one angle (not show @IGF) that made it look pretty HC.  Without knowing the "new rules" it's hard to say.  But MOS isn't stupid or frivolous with his nylon!!


Name bar seems to be the demarcation line, and he grabbed jersey above the name bar.  Not your classic "inside the shoulder pads" horescollar, but the new definition, taking a player down with a high grab, endangering the neck/head.
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Based on the what I saw, IMO that was one of those calls where the replay didn't provide clear evidence either way (horsecollar or not) so they had to let it stand.
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I think the expectation of some fans is that a HC is always in the middle of the back ( below the neck ) at the nameplate. The shoulder is on either side of the neck, hence " shoulder pad " designation.

IMO this was a marginal but accurately assessed penalty. 
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dd

I don?t know what everyone is talking about, Jefferson?s hand was clearly inside the collar and yanked him backwards, it?s about as clear a horse collar as you can get. The call was correct and the challenge a waste of everyone?s time

TBURGESS

Quote from: dd on August 06, 2023, 06:09:54 PM
I don?t know what everyone is talking about, Jefferson?s hand was clearly inside the collar and yanked him backwards, it?s about as clear a horse collar as you can get. The call was correct and the challenge a waste of everyone?s time
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Quote from: dd on August 06, 2023, 06:09:54 PM
I don?t know what everyone is talking about, Jefferson?s hand was clearly inside the collar and yanked him backwards, it?s about as clear a horse collar as you can get. The call was correct and the challenge a waste of everyone?s time

At the game and on the jumbotron, it really looked like he grabbed the shoulder and dragged him down, not pulled him back.

It looked more clear on TV.
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Quote from: dd on August 06, 2023, 06:09:54 PM
I don?t know what everyone is talking about, Jefferson?s hand was clearly inside the collar and yanked him backwards, it?s about as clear a horse collar as you can get. The call was correct and the challenge a waste of everyone?s time
Yes, there are several shots which clearly show it was a horse collision infraction.    What surprised me was MOS challenging the call and losing his timeout....not that it really mattered with a 50-14 score.    There was also a horse collar tackle on KL89 which was accurately called.   
Perhaps MOS will explain why he challenged the call on the Coaches Show
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