Elks at Blue Bombers pre-game thread

[GOLDMEMBER]

I do not care who we are playing we need to see an inspired crew. Time to limit these lame mistakes Offensively.may be we get Grant back. McCrae is not good enough at punt returns.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

I do not care who we are playing we need to see an inspired crew. Time to limit these lame mistakes Offensively.may be we get Grant back. McCrae is not good enough at punt returns.

He never returned punts before.....he isn't the guy for it.   Nic Demski used to return punts when he was with the Riders....obviously they miss Janarion however they should have someone back there who is used to fielding punts.....returning KOs and missed FGs is another skill fielding wise.    Punts are another matter and McCrae was fighting the ball and having trouble fielding them.    Ottawas special teams were often better than ours for the most part.

[Blue In BC]

I do not care who we are playing we need to see an inspired crew. Time to limit these lame mistakes Offensively.may be we get Grant back. McCrae is not good enough at punt returns.

We have been making some offensive mistakes but our defence seems more of the problem. Can't contain QB's from escaping the pocket and missed tackles everywhere.

Our roster might be getting back some players this week but I was really expecting that not to happen for one more week.

[Jesse]

We have been making some offensive mistakes but our defence seems more of the problem. Can't contain QB's from escaping the pocket and missed tackles everywhere.

Our roster might be getting back some players this week but I was really expecting that not to happen for one more week.

I disagree completely.

D held the Redblacks to 6 points in the first three quarters. With three minutes left, there was only 9 points on the board. It was the Brady fumble and the Collaros pick-6 that turned the game. And then the D allowed their only TD drive of regulation time. What more do you want?

With 97% of the game complete, if the offence can't take the game in hand when the opponent has only been allowed to score 9 points....

[Pete]

The Ottawa game confirmed some of the weaknesses we saw earlier:
Our linebackers lack depth. Bighills play has dropped off, I haven't seen him miss tackles like this year. Darby is very inconsistent and once Clements got hurt we had to resort to Mareo. IF cole isn't good enough why is he on roster...we can't afford to use a DI on just downfield coverage. Briggs also has lost a step.
Hall must not have faith in our dline .Once  Dyce adjusted to our blitzes we continued to run that pkg as if that was our only option.k
  Again the oline has questions especially Neufeld and Grey.
  These need to be addressed , hopefully Wilson is able to return . But Elks and other teams are going to copy what they saw to exploit these weaknesses

[dd]

I disagree completely.

D held the Redblacks to 6 points in the first three quarters. With three minutes left, there was only 9 points on the board. It was the Brady fumble and the Collaros pick-6 that turned the game. And then the D allowed their only TD drive of regulation time. What more do you want?

With 97% of the game complete, if the offence can't take the game in hand when the opponent has only been allowed to score 9 points....

Totally agree. Our offense cost us this game plain and simple. All we had to do was not turn the ball over, but we did, not once but twice and that was the game. I said in a pre game thread, all our offense has to do is NOT turn the ball over and our defense and special teams(Sergio s kicking) would win this game. Our offense is totally to blame for this loss. Why are we throwing an out pattern when we should be running the ball and killing the clock is beyond me. That is squarely on buck pierce. Moronic call that cost us the game. Run the ball, kill the clock, game over. Is this too hard to understand Bucky??!!

[TBURGESS]

I disagree completely.

D held the Redblacks to 6 points in the first three quarters. With three minutes left, there was only 9 points on the board. It was the Brady fumble and the Collaros pick-6 that turned the game. And then the D allowed their only TD drive of regulation time. What more do you want?

With 97% of the game complete, if the offence can't take the game in hand when the opponent has only been allowed to score 9 points....

The Redblacks went on 3rd down in FG range twice. They should have had at least 6 additional points. They also flat out dropped a deep TD pass. The number of points they got was more a function of having a QB starting his first game than it was the D's great play.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

He never returned punts before.....he isn't the guy for it.   Nic Demski used to return punts when he was with the Riders....obviously they miss Janarion however they should have someone back there who is used to fielding punts.....returning KOs and missed FGs is another skill fielding wise.    Punts are another matter and McCrae was fighting the ball and having trouble fielding them.    Ottawas special teams were often better than ours for the most part.

I don't have access to  the stats to confirm, but I believe McCrae's previous opportunities at returning punts last season were similarly bad, certainly don't recall them being noteworthy or exciting.

[3rdand1.5]

Last game, our playcalling was not good enough. On offence we became easy to defend against as we became one dimensional and didn't stretch the field enough. Tack on a terribly timed fumble and a pick six, not to mention allowing QB sacks and multiple hits and hurries. The offence we put on the field was not good enough;
Zach not good enough and pick six
Brady not good enough and a very costly fumble....he should know to get two hands on it at that point
O-line not good enough, hard to tell as  a fan but it seemed to be the interior more that the tackles...but I could be wrong
Receivers not good enough-Schoen dropped a sure TD, Mc Crea while it was a tougher catch also dropped what probably would have been a TD
OC never seemed to be one step ahead of what Ott. was throwng at us, so not good enough

D-line did ok, but has Bennet actually done anything? Other than a penalty a couple weeks ago, what has he done?
LB's played poorly, we had missed tackles, Biggie had Crum on the last TD and Whiffed....not good enough, and the back-up depth was a liability
DB's did ok, although Alexander seems to be going for knock-outs and away from good fundamental tackles
DC had success with the blitzes but went to the chest too many times
Our kick-offs and FG were great
Our punting was poor
Our punt returns were poor
Our kick returns were ok

So really the only thing we did well was kick....

IF we play like that Edm. can and will beat us.

We are still a top three team but we have weaknesses unlike the last couple years.

Let's see if the mafia is as good as we think, we are close but we do have some areas to improve on, can and will we improve and get back to an elite team, this probably means a couple new bodies/changes.....Or do we roll with what we have and try and get to the cup being a top 30% team?

Next week Edm. will be a test, if we are a serious contender we should come out and play from whistle to whistle at an extremely high level or we really do have to look deeper...

[Pigskin]

The Redblacks went on 3rd down in FG range twice. They should have had at least 6 additional points. They also flat out dropped a deep TD pass. The number of points they got was more a function of having a QB starting his first game than it was the D's great play.

We also dropped a wide open deep pass.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Last game, our playcalling was not good enough. On offence we became easy to defend against as we became one dimensional and didn't stretch the field enough. Tack on a terribly timed fumble and a pick six, not to mention allowing QB sacks and multiple hits and hurries. The offence we put on the field was not good enough;
Zach not good enough and pick six
Brady not good enough and a very costly fumble....he should know to get two hands on it at that point
O-line not good enough, hard to tell as  a fan but it seemed to be the interior more that the tackles...but I could be wrong
Receivers not good enough-Schoen dropped a sure TD, Mc Crea while it was a tougher catch also dropped what probably would have been a TD
OC never seemed to be one step ahead of what Ott. was throwng at us, so not good enough

D-line did ok, but has Bennet actually done anything? Other than a penalty a couple weeks ago, what has he done?
LB's played poorly, we had missed tackles, Biggie had Crum on the last TD and Whiffed....not good enough, and the back-up depth was a liability
DB's did ok, although Alexander seems to be going for knock-outs and away from good fundamental tackles
DC had success with the blitzes but went to the chest too many times
Our kick-offs and FG were great
Our punting was poor
Our punt returns were poor
Our kick returns were ok

So really the only thing we did well was kick....

IF we play like that Edm. can and will beat us.

We are still a top three team but we have weaknesses unlike the last couple years.

Let's see if the mafia is as good as we think, we are close but we do have some areas to improve on, can and will we improve and get back to an elite team, this probably means a couple new bodies/changes.....Or do we roll with what we have and try and get to the cup being a top 30% team?

Next week Edm. will be a test, if we are a serious contender we should come out and play from whistle to whistle at an extremely high level or we really do have to look deeper...

Cornelius is a better runner than Crum, can't allow him to beat them with his legs.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

I disagree completely.

D held the Redblacks to 6 points in the first three quarters. With three minutes left, there was only 9 points on the board. It was the Brady fumble and the Collaros pick-6 that turned the game. And then the D allowed their only TD drive of regulation time. What more do you want?

With 97% of the game complete, if the offence can't take the game in hand when the opponent has only been allowed to score 9 points....

There is truth in what you say....both turnovers came immediately following two loss of downs in our red zone......D players were gassed.    When your D stops the opposition twice in the red zone two times in one game and the offence turns the ball over, especially the ill advised pass in the flats for a pick six.....they eventually are worn down.    You had a sense after the pick six that if our offence couldn't close the deal out and run out the clock that their offence was going to score.....and we didn't and they did.    Zach getting sacked in OT was the clincher and even Calvillo's heroic 50 FG kick under pressure wasn't enough.    You just knew that we would need a TD and the offence once again let us down.    Crums  29 yard romp into the end zone was virtually uncontested and our entire D was out of position....Biggie was worried about giving up the edge and Crum simply made and inside cut and left him grasping at air while the rest of the DBs were nowhere close enough to defend.    That run was embarrassingly too easy.

Yeah yeah...we're 4 and 2 with the Elks coming to town this Thursday......but they need to win convincingly to restore their mojo.....albeit I'd settle for a one point victory at this juncture.....as I would have against Ottawa.

Ottawa has always played us tough and I expected a close game and with 3 minutes to go with a 17 point lead you're thinking well what could possibly go wrong?    We've got this.....

Having said all that and then some....I tip my hat to Bobby Dyce and Kjhari Jones and the RBs for their tenacity.   Their D is very good and if this Crum kid can ride the wave you never know.    The RBs were full value for their win and their time of possession really indicates that...they focused on stopping BO and made our team one dimensional on offence and that's how you beat the Bombers.   There's no magic and the Bomber mystique has suffered a blow....how they drag themselves up off the mat from here on in will be telling

[buckzumhoff]

It will be a close game. Hamilton played very good to beat Edmonton.

[TBURGESS]

We also dropped a wide open deep pass.

Sure, but what does that have to do with how well our D played?

[bugsybomber]

I will be very disappointed if we do not  blow out the Elks this week. They are a terrible team