HAM @ MTL Aug 20, 2022

[The Zipp]

Kickers are important...

[pjrocksmb]

Kickers are important...

Yup and ours has the right passport and a big leg and will continue to develop

[TecnoGenius]

Marc-Antoine Dequoy is the best Natl. D-Back since Taylor Loffler.

Where is Loffler?  Left the team and was in the tub for a year then... ??

[TecnoGenius]

That was not a horsecollar!  There needs to be clarification and the ability for command to review, especially in the last 3 mins.  A swish of the hand on the collar which doesn't tug the player or the jersey because the D recognizes the risk and lets go is not a horsecollar.

If you are grabbing and pulling, yes, it's HC.  But a swish / early let-go is not.

That play was bogus to allow HAM back in the game.  They were done for at that point.

Still, exciting finish, won't hurt TV viewership nor tickets sales at Molson.

White was the surprise fantasy pick for that game.

[The Zipp]

That was not a horsecollar!  There needs to be clarification and the ability for command to review, especially in the last 3 mins.  A swish of the hand on the collar which doesn't tug the player or the jersey because the D recognizes the risk and lets go is not a horsecollar.

If you are grabbing and pulling, yes, it's HC.  But a swish / early let-go is not.

That play was bogus to allow HAM back in the game.  They were done for at that point.

Still, exciting finish, won't hurt TV viewership nor tickets sales at Molson.

White was the surprise fantasy pick for that game.

Thought the same thing.  They didn't tackle, it was a horse collar touch not tackle.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

That was not a horsecollar!  There needs to be clarification and the ability for command to review, especially in the last 3 mins.  A swish of the hand on the collar which doesn't tug the player or the jersey because the D recognizes the risk and lets go is not a horsecollar.

If you are grabbing and pulling, yes, it's HC.  But a swish / early let-go is not.

That play was bogus to allow HAM back in the game.  They were done for at that point.

Still, exciting finish, won't hurt TV viewership nor tickets sales at Molson.

White was the surprise fantasy pick for that game.

If it wasn't for the Als stupid penalties the game would not have been close.

[dd]

For a horse collar tackle to be called there must be a change in direction on the ball carrier as a result of the tackle. No change in direction, no call

[Blue In BC]

For a horse collar tackle to be called there must be a change in direction on the ball carrier as a result of the tackle. No change in direction, no call

Incorrect.

What is the horse-collar tackle rule?
Rule Summary View Official Rule

ARTICLE 16. HORSE-COLLAR TACKLE. No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, or grab the jersey at the name plate or above, and pull the runner toward the ground.

[buckzumhoff]

Mtl taking penalties is the way they play. They take chances blocking punts. Theres a chance at the block and a chance of taking a 15 yarder and a first down for the other team. They did it twice. ..most teams would beat a team tgat takes penalties like that.

[dd]

Incorrect.

What is the horse-collar tackle rule?
Rule Summary View Official Rule

ARTICLE 16. HORSE-COLLAR TACKLE. No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, or grab the jersey at the name plate or above, and pull the runner toward the ground.

I have been to officiating clinics and this topic has been discussed. If there is no change in direction of the runner, there is no call. So if you grab the jersey inside the collar and fall to the ground and there is no ?yank? and change of direction, there is no flag. I?m the rule written above, the pulling the runner to the ground is the change in direction statement.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I have been to officiating clinics and this topic has been discussed. If there is no change in direction of the runner, there is no call. So if you grab the jersey inside the collar and fall to the ground and there is no ?yank? and change of direction, there is no flag. I?m the rule written above, the pulling the runner to the ground is the change in direction statement.

There have been quite a few high tackles this season, I don't mind seeing them penalized if it improves player safety. I think the general rule should be no tackling above the arm pits, this way it would be more definitive and the neck would also be protected. 

The league should also crack down on loose helmets, too many players in the league wearing them loose and their popping off all the time.

[Blue In BC]

I have been to officiating clinics and this topic has been discussed. If there is no change in direction of the runner, there is no call. So if you grab the jersey inside the collar and fall to the ground and there is no ?yank? and change of direction, there is no flag. I?m the rule written above, the pulling the runner to the ground is the change in direction statement.

Semantics. It's not unusual to see a nameplate grabbed without a pull backwards. Obviously pulling a runner straight down is a change of direction. Even stopping his advance is a change of direction. A pull may move a player to the left, right, down, or even forward.

This weekend we saw several examples of horse collar tackles which did not include a backward pull.

I stand by my comment that you are incorrect based on the reality of what happens on the field when this penalty is called. The refs call it and the coaches don't challenge it based on your interpretation.

There is no basis to suggest the refs are incorrect often in making this call.

[Blue In BC]

There have been quite a few high tackles this season, I don't mind seeing them penalized if it improves player safety. I think the general rule should be no tackling above the arm pits, this way it would be more definitive and the neck would also be protected. 

The league should also crack down on loose helmets, too many players in the league wearing them loose and their popping off all the time.

Interesting point but it's a fast moving game. Players are falling, hurdling, jumping or straight arming a defender.  What a defender can reach is not always optimum. However, the league can make other determination about excessive contact whether that hit is high, low or late.

In fact a defender might grab the nameplate and not even slow the forward progress of the runner. He might then lose the grasp on the runner's jersey and ultimately not be the player that brings the runner down. It's still a penalty.


IE: Marino's hit on the OL on a play whistled dead. Late and excessive. How that wasn't called IDK.

[buckzumhoff]

Marionos hit is not really a penalty. He saw the ball moved he did his job. Is he supposed to know the centre js jhst adjusting the ball. He did the right thing. .if rge centre moves tge balk well hes resposible for the defence reacting

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Marionos hit is not really a penalty. He saw the ball moved he did his job. Is he supposed to know the centre js jhst adjusting the ball. He did the right thing. .if rge centre moves tge balk well hes resposible for the defence reacting

I thought they changed the rule to allow the Center to move or adjust the ball to get a better grip?  I know O'Shea caused a kerfuffle about it a few years ago, but I don't remember the final outcome.