GDT BC at Ssk, Sat Jun 13, 6:00PM

[bomb squad]

I thought they got the call wrong on review. Contact clearly happened before the ball was released.

[markf]

Also the quick whistle on the Mcinnes catch which probably was a td.

Not a good night for refs. I do not like ref Justin Mcinnes, and his crew.

Is that the woman ref that made a mistake that cost the bombers last season?

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Tecno is going to love this post. Sask AGAIN pulled the same trick he pointed out last year.

The scenario: Sask just nailed for a holding penalty. 1st and 20, trailing by 3 at their own 15. 3 minutes left. 

The play: Oulette runs into db, Harris throws ball over his head. Immediately Oulette waving his arms. Immediately, Harris goes to the official, immediately Mace throws challenge flag. Because they KNEW what was happening, they planned it.

Usually  a coach will hold the flag in his hand a bit while he talks with the upstairs coaches but no need to here. Also note that Harris looked at Oulette the entire play and never released the ball until he saw the contact was made for sure. The always accurate Harris then throws over everyone so it can't be caught, intentional.  Everyone play acting like it's a soccer match.

End zone view is the best.
https://youtu.be/QJLcaIFI2kg?t=5398

pics attached: Harris looking at Oulette, Harris still with ball but contact is made, Harris releasing the ball AFTER contact.

Good catch, their receivers blocking on the edge hold as much as their o-line does, they've been working that scheme for years and everybody knows their role.  2 receivers grab jersies inside the shoulders and push the defenders downfield so it looks like blocking, while the ball carrier weaves around them. 

Despite that their over the middle game is deadly, don't like the Bombers chances of stopping them.  Somebody has to hit them and put the fear of Taylor Loffler into Emulus and TSB, those plays are killers.

[Tecno]

Tecno is going to love this post. Sask AGAIN pulled the same trick he pointed out last year.

Good pics.  Ya, that's a classic "mugging" (my nomenclature).  Happens several times a year.  Rules & precedent mean that you're going to win that challenge and the O will get that free 1st down every time.

I would add one more thing that makes this a blatant mug: are we to believe that at that point in the game Trevor is going to attempt a 25Y pass to Oullette, a RB with questionable hands??  Pfft.  A dump pass, sure.  But I'm not sure Oullette has caught a 20+ yard pass ever (excluding YAC).  It's not in his skill set.  Therefore when he's appearing to run for a 25Y and just happens to get bumped, ya that was a setup.

But the league allows it, and rewards it, and have since Sayles used to get wrekt by those in 2018.

[Tecno]

Looked intentional to me also, Oulette runs right into the DB, who's entitled to his space.

But he's not.  He should be, but he's not.  Especially if he puts his hands on the guy, which most people automatically do to avoid getting rammed down.

I suppose if the DB was standing there completely still with his hands way up in the air and he gets mugged, MAYBE he doesn't get flagged.  Maybe.

However, in the real world the RECs pick out a guy, 5Y+ downfield, often a LB, who is staring at the QB and not expecting the mug.  Like here.  It's an easy way to get out of a tough situation or convert a critical 2nd & long.

What does the guy getting mugged have to do to avoid the IC/DPI?  He has to pay attention to oncoming RECs and he HAS to get out of the way.  Or the league needs to do a better job of having command analyze if the REC was purposely trying to run through the D without any attempt to step around him.  Or we need a rule change.

[Tecno]

I thought they got the call wrong on review. Contact clearly happened before the ball was released.

I'm not sure what "before" matters?  I think Rod was talking out his butt again?  Unless there's some "after the ball is released" verbiage to the DPI rule?  Don't think there is.

Even if there is, the mug is IC all day every day.  And the rule on DPI is if there's IC and you throw that way it's now DPI.

Ya, you can't challenge IC, but command might be able to call down IC if they see it on a DPI challenge?

So I don't think the before/after thrown aspect matters in the slightest (except on a behind-LoS pass of course).  I'm open to being corrected.

[Tecno]

Good catch, their receivers blocking on the edge hold as much as their o-line does, they've been working that scheme for years and everybody knows their role.  2 receivers grab jersies inside the shoulders and push the defenders downfield so it looks like blocking, while the ball carrier weaves around them. 

Oh ya, it's max hold all day, every day in SSK.  I was really glad to see the zebras throwing 2-3 holdings against them today.  Only if they take flags will they ease up.  Until then it's cheat away!

Oh ya, and it's the smart play and I'm jealous.  They've turned it into an art form.  Max hold until you start taking penalties, then back off a bit.  We should be training our players on this.  But we don't, and we won't.  Thus we don't/won't have that advantage that SSK has.

[Tecno]

Waffler, you should have spotted another Tecno tick-off:

2Q2:21 Rourke TD is mega tandem block, pushing, pulling (more egregious in my books), etc.

I'm hating these more and more.  Eliminate the rule, or enforce it.  I think it really will take some REC/RB getting creamed by multiple 330 lb beef hitting them every which way before the league does something about this.

"Player safety is job #1" indeed.

[Tecno]

You need a special D plan to win against SSK.  BC didn't have it.  I hope to heck Hall/Younger have been working on this all off-season, or we won't have it either.

Many seasons ago, like in maybe '22-'23, you needed a special D plan to stop SSK's dink & dunk.  Yes, even before Mace and T.Harris they were the kings of the dink & dunk.  It must be an O'Day thing.

Almost no one could stop it, just like now.  But back then Hall found a way.  I think one of those years we beat SSK most/all games.  We found the secret trick to stop all of those unstoppable short passes, usually by clogging throwing lanes, while still stopping their run.  But we seem to have forgotten that.

Since we have to beat them 2 times in the regular season, and they are likely the main rival to win the W, I hope our D braintrust has been taking their ginko biloba and coming up with solutions.

[bunker]

But he's not.  He should be, but he's not.  Especially if he puts his hands on the guy, which most people automatically do to avoid getting rammed down.

I suppose if the DB was standing there completely still with his hands way up in the air and he gets mugged, MAYBE he doesn't get flagged.  Maybe.

However, in the real world the RECs pick out a guy, 5Y+ downfield, often a LB, who is staring at the QB and not expecting the mug.  Like here.  It's an easy way to get out of a tough situation or convert a critical 2nd & long.

What does the guy getting mugged have to do to avoid the IC/DPI?  He has to pay attention to oncoming RECs and he HAS to get out of the way.  Or the league needs to do a better job of having command analyze if the REC was purposely trying to run through the D without any attempt to step around him. Or we need a rule change.

Obviously this. There is an infraction about blocking downfield before the ball is thrown. If the ref judges the offensive player is initiating the context, then enforce this.

[Blue In BC]

I'm not sure what "before" matters?  I think Rod was talking out his butt again?  Unless there's some "after the ball is released" verbiage to the DPI rule?  Don't think there is.

Even if there is, the mug is IC all day every day.  And the rule on DPI is if there's IC and you throw that way it's now DPI.

Ya, you can't challenge IC, but command might be able to call down IC if they see it on a DPI challenge?

So I don't think the before/after thrown aspect matters in the slightest (except on a behind-LoS pass of course).  I'm open to being corrected.

If the ball isn't in the air then the penalty is interference not DPI. That's a 10 yard penalty and not a spot foul. I'm not sure about the timing of what happened.

[bomb squad]

I'm not sure what "before" matters?  I think Rod was talking out his butt again?  Unless there's some "after the ball is released" verbiage to the DPI rule?  Don't think there is.

Even if there is, the mug is IC all day every day.  And the rule on DPI is if there's IC and you throw that way it's now DPI.

Ya, you can't challenge IC, but command might be able to call down IC if they see it on a DPI challenge?

So I don't think the before/after thrown aspect matters in the slightest (except on a behind-LoS pass of course).  I'm open to being corrected.

Without looking at the rule book, my take based on purely on logic: In order for there to be Pass Interference, there needs to be a pass thrown when the the interference occurs. If the interfence occurs before the pass is thrown, there's no Pass Interference.

In the case in question, the Replay Center likely concluded that there was still some interference occurring after the ball was released. I don't believe that was clear and obvious, therefore I don't think they should have overturned the call.

[Blue In BC]

Without looking at the rule book, my take based on purely on logic: In order for there to be Pass Interference, there needs to be a pass thrown when the the interference occurs. If the interfence occurs before the pass is thrown, there's no Pass Interference.

In the case in question, the Replay Center likely concluded that there was still some interference occurring after the ball was released. I don't believe that was clear and obvious, therefore I don't think they should have overturned the call.

I don't think that is totally correct. We do see " interference " past 5 yards before the pass is in the air. That might even be true on a play that ends in a run.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Good pics.  Ya, that's a classic "mugging" (my nomenclature).  Happens several times a year.  Rules & precedent mean that you're going to win that challenge and the O will get that free 1st down every time.

I would add one more thing that makes this a blatant mug: are we to believe that at that point in the game Trevor is going to attempt a 25Y pass to Oullette, a RB with questionable hands??  Pfft.  A dump pass, sure.  But I'm not sure Oullette has caught a 20+ yard pass ever (excluding YAC).  It's not in his skill set.  Therefore when he's appearing to run for a 25Y and just happens to get bumped, ya that was a setup.

But the league allows it, and rewards it, and have since Sayles used to get wrekt by those in 2018.

That's an old Dave Dickenson ploy, in critical moments late in games they often ran a receiver straight into a DB, Mace likely picked up on it in his 5 years as a member of Dickie's coaching staff. One thing about Mace, he doesn't mind crossing the line to gain an advantage.

[bomb squad]

I don't think that is totally correct. We do see " interference " past 5 yards before the pass is in the air. That might even be true on a play that ends in a run.

That "interference" is Illegal Contact.