Best RB This Century?

[VictorRomano]

Keep in mind the CFL wasn't testing during most of Robert's time with the Bombers (I guess that could be either a point for or against, depending on how you read it).

Dude would have lit the lamp if they were piss testing for menthols.  I used to work patio security at Wise Guys downtown, and Charlie burned though at least half a deck of menthols every night he showed up.

[Tecno]

I can't pick AH33. Because of his use of PEDs late in his career. Roberts would be my pick, with BO20 closing in quickly.

It honestly is one of the reasons Harris takes a hit in my eyes. I don't look at him the same way now.

LOL, then I trust that both of you are in the AH PED thread years back complaining and saying the same things then?  As I recall, I was one of the few back then saying we had to hold him to the same standard as that OTT holder that was caught with PEDs the same season.

Easy to bash him now that he's been an Argo & Rider.  While I feel the "traitor" vibes a bit (mostly for going green), we were the ones who ditched him.

Also consider that everywhere he goes he wins the team a cup... TBD in Nov.

[BlueInCgy]

I am going to mention Mike Sellers because he deserves to be remembered. Ran over a lot of guys in this league, too bad the highlights are so grainy looking now. Had a 16 year pro career, CFL and NFL combined.

Mike was a different beast altogether, but you can't talk about Charlie without talking about Mike.  He was a wrecking ball that has rarely been matched.  He was awesome to watch and laid the groundwork for smashback runners.

Charlie also spent a lot of time on kick returns so he had a massive amount of touches per game.  But he also had the luxury of playing with one of the greatest assembled receiving corps which probably didn't hurt because of the added threats.

The problem with the comparison here is that Harris and Brady are very similar in style and body, while Charlie and Fred were more slippery speed runners.  While I don't think Fred has the career to compare to the others, he had games that were legendary

[Jesse]

LOL, then I trust that both of you are in the AH PED thread years back complaining and saying the same things then?  As I recall, I was one of the few back then saying we had to hold him to the same standard as that OTT holder that was caught with PEDs the same season.

Easy to bash him now that he's been an Argo & Rider.  While I feel the "traitor" vibes a bit (mostly for going green), we were the ones who ditched him.

Also consider that everywhere he goes he wins the team a cup... TBD in Nov.

First of all, yes. I've always felt this way. I didn't engage much online at the time, iirc. Everyone got incredibly emotional about it and saying anything against AH was as opening yourself up to attack.

Second of all, I was never as high on AH as everyone else. He was more of a BC Lion to me than a Bomber. His career went long enough and he had enough success that I definitely became a fan, but at his height, he never was on the same tier as Charlie or Leo for me.

And then, in short succession, PED, showing up out of shape (quitting on us not us quitting on him, imo), and his comments on the way out. I couldn't care less about his participation with the Argos or riders. I'm only focused on what he did in a Bomber jersey. Though, had he retired a Bomber, it would have reduced my thoughts of him as a gun for hire.

All that said, I've said since he moved on that with time and space I expect myself to look back fondly on his career once we're further removed from the nonsense.

[Pigskin]

First of all, yes. I've always felt this way. I didn't engage much online at the time, iirc. Everyone got incredibly emotional about it and saying anything against AH was as opening yourself up to attack.

Second of all, I was never as high on AH as everyone else. He was more of a BC Lion to me than a Bomber. His career went long enough and he had enough success that I definitely became a fan, but at his height, he never was on the same tier as Charlie or Leo for me.

And then, in short succession, PED, showing up out of shape (quitting on us not us quitting on him, imo), and his comments on the way out. I couldn't care less about his participation with the Argos or riders. I'm only focused on what he did in a Bomber jersey. Though, had he retired a Bomber, it would have reduced my thoughts of him as a gun for hire.

All that said, I've said since he moved on that with time and space I expect myself to look back fondly on his career once we're further removed from the nonsense.

I also sad it right from the start. If you us PEDs and get caught, you have to pay the price and deal with it for the rest of your life. Excellent RB, and he did a lot for the Bombers. As far as the traitor tag which you have used, moving on is part of professional sports. I personally don't hold it against him. In fact earlier in the year I had heard AH was looking at getting into coaching. I suggested the Bombers bring him on as part of there staff. 

[Jesse]

I also sad it right from the start. If you us PEDs and get caught, you have to pay the price and deal with it for the rest of your life. Excellent RB, and he did a lot for the Bombers. As far as the traitor tag which you have used, moving on is part of professional sports. I personally don't hold it against him. In fact earlier in the year I had heard AH was looking at getting into coaching. I suggested the Bombers bring him on as part of there staff. 

Had Andrew not burned bridges on his way out, maybe that's what happens.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Had Andrew not burned bridges on his way out, maybe that's what happens.

Don't want to rehash that discussion but mixed in generously in that negotiation was the Bombers penchant for failing to communicate effectively with the interested party within the critical time-frame.  Shows up time after time and has become one of their flavour favourites.

[blue_gold_84]

Don't want to rehash that discussion but mixed in generously in that negotiation was the Bombers penchant for failing to communicate effectively with the interested party within the critical time-frame.  Shows up time after time and has become one of their flavour favourites.

It's only been a few players who have made such claims - ones who seemingly felt spurned when what was offered didn't satiate their entitlement. Not sure I'd label less than a handful of instances as being a "flavour favourite" in terms of how this regime operates.

And Harris earned himself no favours in 2021 when he uncharacteristically showed up to camp out of shape and out of sorts. He's since admitted as much.

[Jesse]

Don't want to rehash that discussion but mixed in generously in that negotiation was the Bombers penchant for failing to communicate effectively with the interested party within the critical time-frame.  Shows up time after time and has become one of their flavour favourites.

I'm not specifically referring to the negotiation part of his leaving. I think he took himself out of MOS's good graces by showing up out of shape in 2021. Then he left under whatever circumstances. Then he spoke to the media and took shots at the team (which is exactly what he did to BC when he joined us).

I think if he wanted to coach with us, he would have had to play the whole situation a lot differently. And it just didn't work out the way it could have.

[Tecno]

It's only been a few players who have made such claims - ones who seemingly felt spurned when what was offered didn't satiate their entitlement.

Ya, but said players were usually "big name" ones, often very long-term vets.  Like top starters in their units -- not STer-only no-name NATs.  It matters more when it's a AH, Jeffcoat, Grant or Biggie saying it.  (Though Biggie hasn't said boo (yet) IIRC -- smart man.)

And you can see instances of the no-contact approach as far back as the Leggett situation (maybe farther).  I'm not saying it's good or bad, but it does seem to annoy some players.  And I'd be annoyed if I was a 7 year star Bomber and was suddenly not offered a contract in the off-season and told nothing at all about it... Surely I'm "owed" something, even if it's just a call saying "we don't have the money, bye"?

[GOLDMEMBER]

Roberts.

[Jesse]

Ya, but said players were usually "big name" ones, often very long-term vets.  Like top starters in their units -- not STer-only no-name NATs.  It matters more when it's a AH, Jeffcoat, Grant or Biggie saying it.  (Though Biggie hasn't said boo (yet) IIRC -- smart man.)

And you can see instances of the no-contact approach as far back as the Leggett situation (maybe farther).  I'm not saying it's good or bad, but it does seem to annoy some players.  And I'd be annoyed if I was a 7 year star Bomber and was suddenly not offered a contract in the off-season and told nothing at all about it... Surely I'm "owed" something, even if it's just a call saying "we don't have the money, bye"?

Biggie also said similar things.