The management has to wake up it's time. We need to have a future QB. Why we signed Collaros next year I do not understand. Thank you number 8 for all your play but father time is here. I mean really come on we have to develop a QB. Not sure if Elgersma is the guy or we give Wilson a shot or we sign a young free agent. Not only that we have some old players and god bless them, I love what they have done for the blue and gold and they will never be forgotten. You know i do not want the blue to go into a cycle like edmonton. We must improve and it starts behind centre.
I d go after MBT or fajardo, both playing better than anything we ve seen this year, but then again, their O lines are much better than ours.
I don't know why we haven't brought in suk Chung to help out our pathetic line. He's sitting on th couch at home, all star lineman, bring him in for the remaining games and sit Wallace the heck down. Do something, staying out with that line is insane, just insane. And for all Walters has done for us, he's failed brutally this year—never replaced the all star CB we lost, never replaced the all star NAT guard we lost and never came close to replacing Kenny Lawler. You get like for like replacements for those 3 players, the majority of our problems ar solved.
WFC can't dev a QB. It's not happening. And the once every 20 years you do (Dru Brown) the timing is all messed up so you have to let him walk. Murphy's law. And Dru hasn't shown he'd be a GC-caliber QB anyhow (yet?).
Nope, you do what we've always done and bring in a top FA for top QB $. That's why I don't worry too much. Find a way to steal Alexander away, though yes you'll probably have to wait for a contract year. CGY finally stole VAJ away, from a West rival even: it is doable.
Or try to guess the "next big thing", which may be Powell (my guess), or maybe Crum (a long shot). That's what we did with Nichols.
Your right we probably cannot develop one, but we need to scout better QB's. I'm not saying Wilson isn't a prospect but there are ones out there. Streveler is not a starter or back up. There are other teams in our league that are in the same boat as far as developing a QB. Hopefully we can find the one that stays with us and doesn't leave for the $ of the NFL. I'm old I'm 65 I remember when players came to the CFL from USA colleges cause the NFL passed them over. God lots of the NFL players could not play in our league cause if our great field dimensions and style of play.
Is Elgersma not an option? He has the advantage of familiarity with cdn football. There may be growing pains but if you have a Fajardo/BT, or even Collaros it will be mitigated
The biggest challenge would be OShea giving him an opportunity. Maybe thats a factor in Elgersma not having signed
I think scouting/dev'ing a guy who can win you .500 is much more realistic, and something that should be aimed for. You get him on ELC for 2 years, and then very cheap in year 3 (and maybe 4) because he hasn't proven much yet.
In that time you get a guy that can keep you winning some if/when your #1 goes down. Strev has actually been that guy! Dru was kind of that guy too, but showed a much higher ceiling. Wilson does not appear to be that guy.
Stumbling upon a Kelly or Alexander is like finding unicorn farts. Happens for maybe 1 team in the whole CFL every 1-3 years. We're a top team with tons of real money, offer top $, make better use of MMM, and spend it to get the best QB.
Quote from: Pete on September 14, 2025, 04:09:33 AMIs Elgersma not an option? He has the advantage of familiarity with cdn football. There may be growing pains but if you have a Fajardo/BT, or even Collaros it will be mitigated
The biggest challenge would be OShea giving him an opportunity. Maybe thats a factor in Elgersma not having signed
No he's not. I saw him play in the Vanier Cup and he stunk in the big game, and if you can't perform at the college level, forget the pros.
Could have just been a bad game, though. Any given Sunday. Zach has had horrible post-season games before, too.
Fajardo please.. make the trade Kyle! Remember the Zach trade? Do it.
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2025, 05:15:17 AMNo he's not. I saw him play in the Vanier Cup and he stunk in the big game, and if you can't perform at the college level, forget the pros.
That's not a reason to count a QB out. Look at the whole resume.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on September 14, 2025, 02:54:19 PMThat's not a reason to count a QB out. Look at the whole resume.
Ya, i know what you're saying, but if you can't produce in the big game in college ball, you mean to tell me he's ready to make the jump to the pros?? I don't think so.
Quote from: tlf on September 14, 2025, 01:33:37 PMFajardo please.. make the trade Kyle! Remember the Zach trade? Do it.
I for one, like that idea!!
I don't think I'd want MBT in Winnipeg. At best he'd be a short term answer and he can be both hot and cold. Fajardo or Ford might be available in free agency or trade, but at what cost? Ford is not a starter yet and might never be. He might be an interesting # 2 QB for the right price if we were solid at # 1.
I don't think with Collaros age and injury history we can say that. We might squeeze one more season out of him?
Hopefully we have a great one on our PR that we bring in for TC 2026 that will develop quickly!!! Maybe it's Elgersma?
Ford might be the only QB in the country worse at reading a defense and running through progressions than Streveler lol.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 14, 2025, 03:18:34 PMFord might be the only QB in the country worse at reading a defense and running through progressions than Streveler lol.
Agreed!! Enough talk about bringing him here, that would be a colossal mistake
I am not interested in Cody but can see why some area
Full stop no to MBT imo
But yes need our plan B and C
I would like to see list of potential QBs that we could all debate and grade
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 14, 2025, 03:18:34 PMFord might be the only QB in the country worse at reading a defense and running through progressions than Streveler lol.
I have to disagree - Stev is by far the worse at reading a defense. I tend to think maybe he is in a class all by himself in terms of what he brings to the table if anything.
Quote from: tlf on September 14, 2025, 01:33:37 PMFajardo please.. make the trade Kyle! Remember the Zach trade? Do it.
Opportunity missed, Bombers could have picked Fajardo up for a pittance last off-season and if they had:
-They'd be challenging for first in the West on this day.
-Significantly increase their chance of making the GC in Wpg.
-Receive an extension of 2-3 years of competent QBing before moving on to the next up.
Hervey isn't an idiot, he won't trade Fajardo as long as his job is on the line, they like his competitive nature and I think they'll probably extend him at starting QB wages for the next 2 seasons and focus on getting the rest of the team up to the level of playoff contention again. His Tre Ford problem will be moved to the back-burner and possibly traded away for assets or to free up cash, easy-peasy.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 03:03:25 AMWFC can't dev a QB. It's not happening. And the once every 20 years you do (Dru Brown) the timing is all messed up so you have to let him walk. Murphy's law. And Dru hasn't shown he'd be a GC-caliber QB anyhow (yet?).
Nope, you do what we've always done and bring in a top FA for top QB $. That's why I don't worry too much. Find a way to steal Alexander away, though yes you'll probably have to wait for a contract year. CGY finally stole VAJ away, from a West rival even: it is doable.
Or try to guess the "next big thing", which may be Powell (my guess), or maybe Crum (a long shot). That's what we did with Nichols.
You do know Brown was a WFC find, right?
There are many "prospects" and recycled WB's out there to choose from, and who knows which system they will thrive in. BLM was done, but is having a career year. Arbuckle was out of the league, and won a GC and has made Chad a second thought (until this week)
Is Elgersma the answer? IF he flames out down south, I have no problem letting him run our O, what's the worst that can happen. Could he airdrop in and help us make a run? See: Nathan Rourke
We have Wilson and Chase in town, both need to get some reps to see what we have. We know what Streveler is, and we Know what Zach's durability is.
While I love MOS's "player's coach" loyalty, its is a modality that works when things are good. Right now, we need some "tough love" in the coaching ranks, especially at the QB spot.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 14, 2025, 05:24:02 PMYou do know Brown was a WFC find, right?
There are many "prospects" and recycled WB's out there to choose from, and who knows which system they will thrive in. BLM was done, but is having a career year. Arbuckle was out of the league, and won a GC and has made Chad a second thought (until this week)
Is Elgersma the answer? IF he flames out down south, I have no problem letting him run our O, what's the worst that can happen. Could he airdrop in and help us make a run? See: Nathan Rourke
We have Wilson and Chase in town, both need to get some reps to see what we have. We know what Streveler is, and we Know what Zach's durability is.
While I love MOS's "player's coach" loyalty, its is a modality that works when things are good. Right now, we need some "tough love" in the coaching ranks, especially at the QB spot.
Problem with MOS is his QB support has always been linear and he treats them as his #1 son, he moved from Willy, to Nichols, to Zach with little over-lap, he got rid of one before handing the ball to the next. Even with Brown, there was never a question of him usurping Zach, he only received significant playing time if Zach was out of commission. Brown must have realized the situation and knew he would not be given a chance to start until Zach was officially done, so he moved on instead of waiting for his turn.
This attitude has to change if the team wants to get better value out of their QB resources, Wilson and Artie are are still wrapped in plastic but may be headed to the trash bin by the end of this season with out ever unwrapping their potential.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 14, 2025, 05:55:44 PMProblem with MOS is his QB support has always been linear and he treats them as his #1 son, he moved from Willy, to Nichols, to Zach with little over-lap, he got rid of one before handing the ball to the next. Even with Brown, there was never a question of him usurping Zach, he only received significant playing time if Zach was out of commission. Brown must have realized the situation and knew he would not be given a chance to start until Zach was officially done, so he moved on instead of waiting for his turn.
This attitude has to change if the team wants to get better value out of their QB resources, Wilson and Artie are are still wrapped in plastic but may be headed to the trash bin by the end of this season with out ever unwrapping their potential.
If Zach is back next year, if he finishes this year healthy, or able to recover by camp next year, Wilson will probably court offers. Will he get any if he has zero reps? Probably not, Dru had at least a smattering of reps that showed he had promise to be a starter.
Chase is here next year for sure, that's just a fact of rookies on ELC's.
Streveler is that hard decision, that Wheeler decision as to whether to keep a leader, or realize he's not getting the job on the field done. I think that Walters (if still here) will make the Jeffcoat/Harris decision. Will Streveler get another gig as a QB? He might Prokup a deal. If he makes the Sinopoli's to RB or Rec, I can see him sticking with the WFC or getting a deal with another team.
Might even be a good idea for him to do that now...
I still would like to Elgersma here, he's built for the cfl game, great arm and accuracy, good enough skills to get a long look in nfl training camp.
Certainly shows more potential that what we have. May take a season to develop but if we have a plan to develop could be a keeper. The sooner we bring in the sooner we can evaluate
(by develop it doesnt just mean hold a clipboard, while the "vets" get all the looks regardless of production.)
Fajardo MBT and all the recycled options are only gonna make us a middle of the pack offense. And noone in season is going to trade us a qb before the trade deadline as all teams still have a shot
Quote from: theaardvark on September 14, 2025, 06:36:22 PMIf Zach is back next year, if he finishes this year healthy, or able to recover by camp next year, Wilson will probably court offers. Will he get any if he has zero reps? Probably not, Dru had at least a smattering of reps that showed he had promise to be a starter.
Chase is here next year for sure, that's just a fact of rookies on ELC's.
Streveler is that hard decision, that Wheeler decision as to whether to keep a leader, or realize he's not getting the job on the field done. I think that Walters (if still here) will make the Jeffcoat/Harris decision. Will Streveler get another gig as a QB? He might Prokup a deal. If he makes the Sinopoli's to RB or Rec, I can see him sticking with the WFC or getting a deal with another team.
Might even be a good idea for him to do that now...
Rather Strev not come back at all, MOS has too much allegiance to him and he's occupying a role needed to evaluate and develop better prospects. With a SY QB like Prukop expectations were low, he did his job well and he didn't gum up the works trying to become anything more than he was.
As for Artie, if he's still on the PR at the end of the season which is most likely, he's gone.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 14, 2025, 08:10:50 PMRather Strev not come back at all, MOS has too much allegiance to him and he's occupying a role needed to evaluate and develop better prospects. With a SY QB like Prukop expectations were low, he did his job well and he didn't gum up the works trying to become anything more than he was.
As for Artie, if he's still on the PR at the end of the season which is most likely, he's gone.
If we are moving on from Strevy, Artie gets a contract for next year. He's not been kept here to not continue, he has shown enough.
MTL has 4 QBs on their AR, plus Alexander and Evans on the IR. Someone will shake loose, and if there is no confidence in Wilson and Chase, either Paterson or Dukes will be available sooner than later.
I think ZC8 comes back next year, so we need to sign a very competent backup, and one of Fajardo, MBT and Arbuckle would likely want to be a starter after he retires,so I am thinking sign one of them, don't care who, as all have good games and bad games, but we have to get a guy who can read defenses and accurately pass, all 3 can do that. Sign one. I like CF, as he's obviously won a GC, MBT can be super hot, then clueless next week, and Arbuckle is having himself a very respectable year.
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2025, 11:32:57 PMI think ZC8 comes back next year, so we need to sign a very competent backup
Impossible with Zach earning a top-3 QB salary. We simply can't (and never do) devote that much $ to the QB room. We are always huge #1, chintzy SY, near-ELC dev guy. Plus ELC PR guys.
The only way we could spend $200-$300 on a "legit backup" would be if Zach took a huge cut. And a) he won't, and b) we won't ask him to.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 14, 2025, 06:36:22 PMWilson will probably court offers
No one wants Wilson. Maybe as a #4, and/or a cheap way to steal our "book" (though that may have $0 value this season). No one would AR Wilson even as the "injury backup only".
Well... MAYBE someone would take him as a SY specialist for $100k. Maybe. He's shown competent enough at it, though the reps have been very limited.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 14, 2025, 03:17:19 PMI don't think I'd want MBT in Winnipeg. At best he'd be a short term answer and he can be both hot and cold.
The recency bias on here is incredible sometimes. How quickly people forget that MBT basically stunk in every other game he started for MTL this season. Probably threw more INTs per game than Strev. He was so bad they decided to roll with Caleb (with a fake injury for MBT).
MBT is the most hot & cold QB ever. Why anyone would want him here as our #1 is beyond me. Plus, he's getting old now too.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 01:47:37 AMNo one wants Wilson. Maybe as a #4, and/or a cheap way to steal our "book" (though that may have $0 value this season). No one would AR Wilson even as the "injury backup only".
Well... MAYBE someone would take him as a SY specialist for $100k. Maybe. He's shown competent enough at it, though the reps have been very limited.
I think he's been very good at short yardage. Almost always makes the yard, and a few times has broken through for more. He has the foot speed to get around the edge, Strev no longer does.
Quote from: bunker on Today at 02:11:22 AMI think he's been very good at short yardage. Almost always makes the yard, and a few times has broken through for more. He has the foot speed to get around the edge, Strev no longer does.
He has, and maybe that's why we still keep him. Writing might be on the wall for Strev and WFC *requires* a good SY package to function properly. So maybe Wilson as SY in '26 and Elgersma or The Greek as dev / #2 guy. The nice thing about this is maybe Wilson would make a decent #2 also... but that remains to be seen.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 01:47:37 AMNo one wants Wilson. Maybe as a #4, and/or a cheap way to steal our "book" (though that may have $0 value this season). No one would AR Wilson even as the "injury backup only".
Well... MAYBE someone would take him as a SY specialist for $100k. Maybe. He's shown competent enough at it, though the reps have been very limited.
Honestly never thought of that, I know you mean so they could have an idea what we do on offense (everyone knows what we will do on offense, they don't need to pay for it), but I fantasized that someone might want to have access in order to copy it. If that were the (incredibly unlikely) case, Wilson could be our trojan horse!
I cannot imagine we go into next year with the same OC, or the same status quo on offense. Seriously. Even I would think twice about renewing. Well, I'd probably renew again but be way more likely to miss games in person for whatever reason came up.
time to move on from the following after this year:
Zach - replace with Fajardo (trade Willie for him).
Strev - clearly not a #2 QB (hopefully Elgersma shows up)
Neufeld - too many complete whiffs, needs to retire.
Bryant - see Neufeld above.
Jake Thomas - time to retire.
Stephan Logan - hasn't shown us anything.
Schoen - recurring injury to his knee has done him in.
Use FA to bring in players with the money saved from the above players salary and then draft and develop (OL, or the huge OL we drafted from UBC last year). We have to be ready for some lean years coming ahead as we have relied on to many old vets this year that have lost "it".
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2025, 03:22:33 PMAgreed!! Enough talk about bringing him here, that would be a colossal mistake
Nobody is trading for Ford unless his contract is renegotiated. To bet your team on him being your starter is also crazy at this stage.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 02:17:13 AMHe has, and maybe that's why we still keep him. Writing might be on the wall for Strev and WFC *requires* a good SY package to function properly. So maybe Wilson as SY in '26 and Elgersma or The Greek as dev / #2 guy. The nice thing about this is maybe Wilson would make a decent #2 also... but that remains to be seen.
Just imagine if they would have made this smart decision at the end of TC instead of continuing on with Streveler when they already saw his limitations during the 2024 season. Wilson would have a number of games under his belt already and they'd have a good indication if he had the potential to replace Zach or not.
Couldn't be worse than the current record of 6-7 and not knowing what they have in their QB room. With Zach's re-signing they're just kicking this problem further down the road, after the tide has clearly turned on his career. Start of the season I was expecting a renewal of his enthusiasm, but he's slipped off the dock a number of times this season and is now wallowing in deep water like a man in a heavy overcoat hoping to be saved.
A lot of people putting their hopes on Elgersma.
Chances are (based on the number of QBs who have played with the bombers over my lifetime), he won't even become Streveler.