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The Bombers have a lot to deal with this week. A few players coming off the 6 game. ZC8 has turned into a Int machine. OL only gave up 1 sack, but things need to improve. Lofton and SB, would help. Penalties, and turnovers are big issues.

For me, start with the easy stuff - penalties.  Like how is this all of a sudden a problem?  We've been the least penalized team the past 5 years for a reason.  How did we all of a sudden lose that?

Fix that and the rest are easier to fix. I still have hope we'll get a win at home next week.

Its time to realize status quo is no longer a viable strategy
The past few years weve been trying to maintain vs improving.
Whats the saying"if your not moving forward your moving backwards" this  team embodies that

Or as Will Rogers, said "even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there"
 Well we've just been run over three times.

Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 27, 2025, 01:47:36 PMFor me, start with the easy stuff - penalties.  Like how is this all of a sudden a problem?  We've been the least penalized team the past 5 years for a reason.  How did we all of a sudden lose that?

Fix that and the rest are easier to fix. I still have hope we'll get a win at home next week.

Agree, when a vet like Cad are taking penalties on returns it hurts this team.

Quote from: Pete on July 27, 2025, 02:51:21 PMIts time to realize status quo is no longer a viable strategy
The past few years weve been trying to maintain vs improving.
Whats the saying"if your not moving forward your moving backwards" this  team embodies that

Or as Will Rogers, said "even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there"
 Well we've just been run over three times.

Changes need to made. D looked better once Vaughter moved inside and Person and Willy at DE. Also, Vaval replacing Bridges was a good move. 

Hopefully Vaval ok and no other major injuries
Need to get our OL healthy and improved and a lot will get better as a result
Didn't know they moved Vaughters inside, but no I remember a nice rush up the gut
Person made and impact and will continue his rise likely
Case gone means an addition on offence, I would like to see Cobb
Anyone notice if Ball got reps?
I don't anticipate that many changes, just additions from healthy folks returning (hope)

Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 27, 2025, 01:47:36 PMFor me, start with the easy stuff - penalties.  Like how is this all of a sudden a problem?  We've been the least penalized team the past 5 years for a reason.  How did we all of a sudden lose that?

Fix that and the rest are easier to fix. I still have hope we'll get a win at home next week.

The absence of Bighill might be one reason for the increase in penalties, he may have been like the warden constantly reminding players not to cross the line and control their emotions. He would have been respected for his work ethic and his closer ties to the coaching staff than any other player on the team.

On the other hand the penalties the Bombers are taking recently are mostly game related mistakes and not malicious. Willie may be his own problem, he seems to be experiencing some frustration he can't properly express.

Quote from: Pigskin on July 27, 2025, 03:57:18 PMChanges need to made. D looked better once Vaughter moved inside and Person and Willy at DE. Also, Vaval replacing Bridges was a good move. 

If the Bombers move on from Bridges I would have no problem with that. He is the weak link in a weak secondary. Parker has been mostly ineffective at safety. Maybe its time to approach Alexander about ending his retirement and putting him at safety and moving Parker to Bridges spot.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 27, 2025, 04:08:42 PMThe absence of Bighill might be one reason for the increase in penalties, he may have been like the warden constantly reminding players not to cross the line and control their emotions. He would have been respected for his work ethic and his closer ties to the coaching staff than any other player on the team.

On the other hand the penalties the Bombers are taking recently are mostly game related mistakes and not malicious. Willie may be his own problem, he seems to be experiencing some frustration he can't properly express.

I agree with the thought on Bighill.  Alexander as well.

penalties happen when you are getting beat mentally and physically.  we aren't the punchers in the mouth anymore - we are getting punched and when you are the weaker opponent you look to even the field by going outside the rules - you may not even consciously decide in the moment you are goin to do it - you just do it cause you are still competitive and trying, you just can't match the opponent. 

the teams with the pooer records generally are the most penalized team - it's a viscous circle and we are in it.

it's a talent problem.  we aren't the stronger, faster team anymore - that belongs to Calgary. we are older and slower and then you have to hold, you take some bad penalties cause you are frustrated. 

there is no magic pill to get faster and stronger - experience can fill the gap but when you have lost it...it's gone. then layer in the younger guys who may be faster but a 5'8" DB has to be really, really faster to make up the size difference.

it hurts to see our favorite team decline - we aren't dominating anymore and apart from us Winnipeg fans the rest of the league is celebrating. 

Wade and management need to wake up. It is not going to work with the status quo in the year we are hosting the GC!

Miller must be quaking in his boots.

Do something Walters this assembled team looks in tatters in all 3 phases!

Quote from: Pigskin on July 27, 2025, 03:51:29 PMAgree, when a vet like Cad are taking penalties on returns it hurts this team.

or a vet like Jefferson is jumping offsides

Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 27, 2025, 01:47:36 PMFor me, start with the easy stuff - penalties.  Like how is this all of a sudden a problem?  We've been the least penalized team the past 5 years for a reason.  How did we all of a sudden lose that?

Fix that and the rest are easier to fix. I still have hope we'll get a win at home next week.

Including last night's game, Winnipeg is the least penalized CFL team in 2025.

Top 3
WPG - 6.33 penalties per game
MTL - 6.42 penalties per game
CGY - 6.57 penalties per game

Just like 2024, Winnipeg opponents have learned to play disciplined football against the Blue Bombers. Fewest penalties drawn:

Bottom 3
WPG - 5.67 penalties per game
OTT - 5.71 penalties per game
HAM - 6.67 penalties per game

Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 04:47:24 PMor a vet like Jefferson is jumping offsides

In other seasons that was normal for Willie, it happened almost every game, just trying to get a jump on the play.

Quote from: bwiser on July 27, 2025, 04:12:32 PMIf the Bombers move on from Bridges I would have no problem with that. He is the weak link in a weak secondary. Parker has been mostly ineffective at safety. Maybe its time to approach Alexander about ending his retirement and putting him at safety and moving Parker to Bridges spot.

or play Allen. It can't get worse, and Parker was pretty good at corner. Not sure the Bombers will do it (they will push a square into a round hole as long as possible) but that would be an example of two guys playing in their appropriate roles as opposed to whatever this is right now

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 27, 2025, 04:50:49 PMIn other seasons that was normal for Willie, it happened almost every game, just trying to get a jump on the play.

it's more forgivable when he's actually making plays, something he hasn't really done this season (save for the odd moment). It's also more forgivable when the defense could stop a 2 and 8 or a 2 and 3. Right now they can't stop a 2 and 15

Quote from: bwiser on July 27, 2025, 04:12:32 PMIf the Bombers move on from Bridges I would have no problem with that. He is the weak link in a weak secondary. Parker has been mostly ineffective at safety. Maybe its time to approach Alexander about ending his retirement and putting him at safety and moving Parker to Bridges spot.

Moving on from Bridges would be a mistake imo
Bringing back Alexander hard no
Parker to corner pass, he is better off at safety
I don't have the answers but I don't think the above are solutions either

Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 04:51:08 PMor play Allen. It can't get worse, and Parker was pretty good at corner. Not sure the Bombers will do it (they will push a square into a round hole as long as possible) but that would be an example of two guys playing in their appropriate roles as opposed to whatever this is right now

Playing Allen could be worse and my bigger worry is rushing a good prospect before they are ready.  Good way to torch a guys career.  I prefer to slow roast, guys can get fried if the heat is too hot early

I think giving Vaval reps on D is our best temporary solution.  If healthy.

I believe we only have Cobb and Mitchell now to come on for Case. Not counting the new guy (McCleod) yet. This will be interesting.

Quote from: Waffler on July 27, 2025, 06:48:37 PMI believe we only have Cobb and Mitchell now to come on for Case. Not counting the new guy (McCleod) yet. This will be interesting.

Who do you prefer? I would like to see Cobb.

kind of odd how we were able to get sacks in a short spurt and then nothing - what did TO do different to counteract our pressure?

Would like to see Mitchell be given a game chance, we've come this far with him so why not

from the brain of doug brown:

IMHO, the difference between last year's early season struggles, & this year's early season struggles, was that the 2024 roster had the talent to improve. They just needed to get healthy & figure things out. The 2025 roster needs some game breakers & upgrades urgently

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 06:53:16 PMWho do you prefer? I would like to see Cobb.

Mitchell. I like Cobb but Mitchell has the higher ceiling. Right now we have to swing for the fences.

Quote from: Pete on July 27, 2025, 07:06:56 PMWould like to see Mitchell be given a game chance, we've come this far with him so why not

Might have to move Wheatfall to slot to get Mitchell on.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 27, 2025, 07:36:51 PMMight have to move Wheatfall to slot to get Mitchell on.

Yeah and not sure that's a good idea

Will be a telling and interesting practice week

Anyone know when Mitchell is due his next payout?

Quote from: kkc60 on July 27, 2025, 04:51:08 PMor play Allen. It can't get worse, and Parker was pretty good at corner. Not sure the Bombers will do it (they will push a square into a round hole as long as possible) but that would be an example of two guys playing in their appropriate roles as opposed to whatever this is right now

I would also like to Allen get in at Safety. Had a very good TC. Good size, good speed, ball hawk. Need some size back there to handle the bigger receivers. We may have the smallest group of DBs in the CFL. Vaval 163 lbs.   

Quote from: Pigskin on July 27, 2025, 08:26:54 PMI would also like to Allen get in at Safety. Had a very good TC. Good size, good speed, ball hawk. Need some size back there to handle the bigger receivers. We may have the smallest group of DBs in the CFL. Vaval 163 lbs.   

This group of DBs has found success in the past, the size thing is over stated imo

Quote from: DM83 on July 27, 2025, 09:23:32 PMThe team has leadership issues.
Coaching staff when are the management group going to fire Younger. And the O coordinator
QB 1 and . 2, are prolly the next to last
The  O Line,  no WRs
At least two DBs who can't cover, or tackle.
No punt return

We are the free space on the bingo card.

Did Walter's and no Shea sign new contracts?.mtheyll be moving on to Ottawa or Edmonton

We have great leaders in Hall and MOS
Younger is not getting fired
Hogan will be given time to learn
Punt returns been decent, a big question mark if Vaval is hurt
Maybe Logan can get healthy

I'm not sure its leadership rather than being about complacency, and that applies to the coaches and players. A great trait that Bighill had was not allowing that on the defense.
Maybe they need a players only meeting, but right now the team doesnt look to be all on the same page

Quote from: Pete on July 27, 2025, 10:08:17 PMI'm not sure its leadership rather than being about complacency, and that applies to the coaches and players. A great trait that Bighill had was not allowing that on the defense.
Maybe they need a players only meeting, but right now the team doesnt look to be all on the same page

fat n sassy has set in ...pretty common when you have had extended success like the bombers have had

Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 10:54:16 PMfat n sassy has set in ...pretty common when you have had extended success like the bombers have had

I heavily disagree with that analysis / language, I don't see how it applies.  I think it's a much more complex set of factors than that.

Hey @Blueforlife no one cares if you agree or disagree with a post. If you have nothing else to say, then don't bother posting. Thanks.

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 27, 2025, 11:03:36 PMHey @Blueforlife no one cares if you agree or disagree with a post. If you have nothing else to say, then don't bother posting. Thanks.

lol, TEN thumbs up!

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 27, 2025, 11:03:36 PMHey @Blueforlife no one cares if you agree or disagree with a post. If you have nothing else to say, then don't bother posting. Thanks.

Disagree with your opinion.  We all have one, don't take away the validity of mine.  Been on here and long time and not going anywhere. Thanks.

If you post on an forum expect to be challenged imo. A variety of perspectives and debate brings balance to this place. 

Not a fan of the language that was used.  I believe they were over simplifying the current situation the Bombers are in.  Not the 1st time I countered that argument.  I am allowed to disagree and counter people's opinions. I will do my best to present mine.

A thumbs down button would make that process easier imo.

There is a group on here that doesn't like how I post, many that likely have no opinion and some that like and support me.  Over generalizing imo.  I could care less, not on here to be popular.

I rarely agree with what you post but it doesn't mean I don't value your contributions and I would never encourage you to change how you post.  Our diversity of opinions and posting styles is our strength.

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 27, 2025, 11:03:36 PMHey @Blueforlife no one cares if you agree or disagree with a post. If you have nothing else to say, then don't bother posting. Thanks.

Strongly agree

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 11:48:07 PMDisagree with your opinion.  We all have one, don't take away the validity of mine.  Been on here and long time and not going anywhere. Thanks.

If you post on an forum expect to be challenged imo. A variety of perspectives and debate brings balance to this place. 

Not a fan of the language that was used.  I believe they were over simplifying the current situation the Bombers are in.  Not the 1st time I countered that argument.  I am allowed to disagree and counter people's opinions. I will do my best to present mine.

A thumbs down button would make that process easier imo.

There is a group on here that doesn't like how I post, many that likely have no opinion and some that like and support me.  Over generalizing imo.  I could care less, not on here to be popular.

I rarely agree with what you posts but it doesn't mean I don't value your contributions and I would never encourage you to change how you post.  Our diversity of opinions and posting styles is our strength.

Personally I think you have some valid and good posts, however at times it sure feels like you counter almost every negative post when its not necessary. After 3 losses like the ones we have everyone's looking for what's wrong.
  If there's an alternative theory for what has gone south so badly this year lets hear it.
I applaud your support for the team but the way we have lost with poor communication, breakdowns and just poor play is gonna bring questions

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 27, 2025, 11:03:36 PMHey @Blueforlife no one cares if you agree or disagree with a post. If you have nothing else to say, then don't bother posting. Thanks.

Another 10 thumbs up!

Quote from: Pete on July 28, 2025, 12:11:14 AMPersonally I think you have some valid and good posts, however at times it sure feels like you counter almost every negative post when its not necessary. After 3 losses like the ones we have everyone's looking for what's wrong.
  If there's an alternative theory for what has gone south so badly this year lets hear it.
I applaud your support for the team but the way we have lost with poor communication, breakdowns and just poor play is gonna bring questions

Yes I have countered people's opinions for a decade.  Just my style.  Yes it can ruffle a feather or two.

I supported this club pre mini dynasty and was continually roasted by many before our epic run. The negativity in those days was over the top but there was a group on here that seen the forest through the trees.  It wasn't a fun place to be back then defending this club as we built our club back to excellence.  Everytime I was positive or supportive of the club, a group of posters would strongly counter me.  Just how it goes, goes in cycles or waves.  We are in a through of negativity right now as we have laid three rotten eggs.  The golden goose will return eventually to lay fresh ones.
I am still in support of this club and taking the long view.  I will still be patient.  That said we are no longer the powerhouse we once were.  There are issues.  I will always counter folks when I believe it's warranted and I don't agree with their positions.

Thanks for the kind words.  I don't have all the answers and wrong as much as I'm right.  I don't follow the herd, I like to blaise my own trail.

I don't believe in short term thinking. I'm a long term guy.  I am not interested in a few good years, looking for decades of dominance.  I have supported the club previously under the leadership of Dave Ritchie.  I'm always looking to balance win now vs. slowly developing players and having consistency in coaches and management.  Our changes in this regard as of late has brought some short term wrinkles that we can iron out.

I believe the forum should post stats on how many likes each member gets.  Would be telling.

I dont know if any of you are watching bc ham game but BC's carter just made one of the best interceptions ive ever seen

Quote from: Pete on July 28, 2025, 12:18:33 AMI dont know if any of you are watching bc ham game but BC's carter just made one of the best interceptions ive ever seen

Sickest ever

Quote from: Strevy on July 27, 2025, 11:18:33 PMlol, TEN thumbs up!

No, ONE HUNDRED thumbs up!!!

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 28, 2025, 12:17:52 AMYes I have countered people's opinions for a decade.  Just my style.  Yes it can ruffle a feather or two.

I supported this club pre mini dynasty and was continually roasted by many before our epic run. The negativity in those days was over the top but there was a group on here that seen the forest through the trees.  It wasn't a fun place to be back then defending this club as we built our club back to excellence.  Everytime I was positive or supportive of the club, a group of posters would strongly counter me.  Just how it goes, goes in cycles or waves.  We are in a through of negativity right now as we have laid three rotten eggs.  The golden goose will return eventually to lay fresh ones.
I am still in support of this club and taking the long view.  I will still be patient.  That said we are no longer the powerhouse we once were.  There are issues.  I will always counter folks when I believe it's warranted and I don't agree with their positions.

Thanks for the kind words.  I don't have all the answers and wrong as much as I'm right.  I don't follow the herd, I like to blaise my own trail.

I don't believe in short term thinking. I'm a long term guy.  I am not interested in a few good years, looking for decades of dominance.  I have supported the club previously under the leadership of Dave Ritchie.  I'm always looking to balance win now vs. slowly developing players and having consistency in coaches and management.  Our changes in this regard as of late has brought some short term wrinkles that we can iron out.

I believe the forum should post stats on how many likes each member gets.  Would be telling.

I wish the form would post the likes of every post, your inflated ego would take a kicking !!!

Quote from: dd on July 28, 2025, 02:10:50 AMI wish the form would post the likes of every post, your inflated ego would take a kicking !!!

Coming from the guy that wanted the Bomber D all dumped, MOS fired and Hall just before our mini dynasty.

This has nothing to do with ego.  Your track record speaks for itself and so does mine.  I am long on the Bombers, you routinely take the short term view.  That's ok and won't change.

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 28, 2025, 03:26:12 AMComing from the guy that wanted the Bomber D all dumped, MOS fired and Hall just before our mini dynasty.

This has nothing to do with ego.  Your track record speaks for itself and so does mine.  I am long on the Bombers, you routinely take the short term view.  That's ok and won't change.

My current track record has me at #2 in pick ems, where are you?? Oh ya, 16 behind that tied with 7 other guys for 7th. Nuff said.

Okay, lets get this back on track. This thread isn't about you two.

No practice today. I don't think MOS will give up anything tonight on the radio. Have to wait till tomorrow to get a the injury report.

Quote from: dd on July 28, 2025, 03:45:39 AMMy current track record has me at #2 in pick ems, where are you?? Oh ya, 16 behind that tied with 7 other guys for 7th. Nuff said.

That's pretty awesome didn't see that.  I have had a bad run on pickems, a few years ago before there were prizes I was at the top right at the end.  Didn't pick the Bombers in the playoffs and I lost by a point or two.  That year I told myself I should have been betting on the CFL,  not really into that but I did make a few hundred on one cup win!

My point stands regarding ego, has nothing to do with the previous posts and convo.  Sounds like by the tone of your post, you are pumping your own, which is fine right the high while you can and good luck, very hard to win it!

I try to keep the male ego in check, I try to be humble.  Never afraid to counter people, state my opinion and often take the contraion view.  I don't swim with the school of fish, often  prefer to swim on my own in the opposite direction of the herd.   Been a long term supporter of this era of Bombers.  I'll stick with em until we rebuild and reevaluate my position as needed when the time comes.

I don't look at track record for one year or pickums for that matter, I was talking in general ones opinion of the club and players over the long term

Probably wrong thread but anyone know why we have Britt Dort and not John Lu on the sidelines?

Quote from: Waffler on July 28, 2025, 04:00:56 PMProbably wrong thread but anyone know why we have Britt Dort and not John Lu on the sidelines?

John has retired.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/john-lu-retires-tsn

Blue Bombers Add Dexter Lawson to Practice Roster.

He was here in camp. I thought he looked good then but he is not a big body. 5'9"

https://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/blue-bombers-add-lawson-to-practice-roster/n-6261558

Quote from: Waffler on July 29, 2025, 01:54:35 PMBlue Bombers Add Dexter Lawson to Practice Roster.

He was here in camp. I thought he looked good then but he is not a big body. 5'9"

https://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/blue-bombers-add-lawson-to-practice-roster/n-6261558

I do remember the name, was he also on the PR last year?  I wish we can add a guy with some imposing size & physicality.

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 27, 2025, 11:48:07 PMDisagree with your opinion.  We all have one, don't take away the validity of mine.  Been on here and long time and not going anywhere. Thanks.

If you post on an forum expect to be challenged imo. A variety of perspectives and debate brings balance to this place. 

Not a fan of the language that was used.  I believe they were over simplifying the current situation the Bombers are in.  Not the 1st time I countered that argument.  I am allowed to disagree and counter people's opinions. I will do my best to present mine.

A thumbs down button would make that process easier imo.

There is a group on here that doesn't like how I post, many that likely have no opinion and some that like and support me.  Over generalizing imo.  I could care less, not on here to be popular.

I rarely agree with what you post but it doesn't mean I don't value your contributions and I would never encourage you to change how you post.  Our diversity of opinions and posting styles is our strength.

The line about posting on a forum and expect to be challenged is interesting.

Quote from: Waffler on July 28, 2025, 04:00:56 PMProbably wrong thread but anyone know why we have Britt Dort and not John Lu on the sidelines?

I think Brit has been pretty good

Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 29, 2025, 03:12:16 PMI do remember the name, was he also on the PR last year?  I wish we can add a guy with some imposing size & physicality.

In discussing receiver attributes last night on the Coach's Show, O'Shea said size wasn't a top consideration, his preference was intelligence, speed and route running. Probably has similar thoughts about DB's.

I'd like to see him change his mind when it comes to size.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 29, 2025, 04:01:01 PMIn discussing receiver attributes last night on the Coach's Show, O'Shea said size wasn't a top consideration, his preference were intelligence, speed and route running. Probably has similar thoughts about DB's.

I'd like to see him change his mind when it comes to size.

It only makes sense when we see teams fielding more bigger guys. I guess we just need to find that unicorn big guy that also has speed, and intelligence. Man, I miss Prime BA.

practice cancelled due to air quality.  not great but i suppose a back to back and being at home is the best case scenario

Who is next in line as the returner? Logan hasn't been practising at all and Vaval appears to be hurt?

Bombers bring back Dexter Lawson JR. 5'9" 190 DB. Lawson played well in pre-season and look good at TC. 13 games with Hamilton, 45 DTs, and 1 Int.

Crappy no practice today. MOS giving nothing away on the Bomber injuries.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 29, 2025, 10:36:09 PMWho is next in line as the returner? Logan hasn't been practising at all and Vaval appears to be hurt?

Eli?  He has great hands, and he would sure punish any gunners hitting him at full speed

:D  :D  :D

Quote from: Waffler on July 28, 2025, 04:00:56 PMProbably wrong thread but anyone know why we have Britt Dort and not John Lu on the sidelines?

Lu disappeared for no reason mid-late last season.  No one knew at the time when I asked.

His retirement announcement is dated July 1.  Maybe he had some issues in the interim.

Dort is just fine by me as the new guy/gal!  She makes great choices in shirt purchases.  I heard she recently got married.

Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 10:54:16 PMfat n sassy has set in ...pretty common when you have had extended success like the bombers have had

Ya.  Around '23 I started questioning our "hunger" level.  That 2019 hunger wasn't there anymore.  It's a huge part of why we lost the '22-'23 cups.

There's something about struggling so hard and losing so bad for years that gives you that hunger that only winning the cup will satiate.  Once you get that cup, that hunger can never be regained.  I think hunger could give a team at least a 10% edge, all else being equal.  That hunger is what had MTL stopping our last drive in '23 and then scoring in 3-down mode at the last second.

To overcome the lack of hunger by WPG, we have to be at least 10% better in all other facets.

Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 07:17:55 PMfrom the brain of doug brown:

IMHO, the difference between last year's early season struggles, & this year's early season struggles, was that the 2024 roster had the talent to improve. They just needed to get healthy & figure things out. The 2025 roster needs some game breakers & upgrades urgently

That's a bit of hindsight is 20/20 though.  There were new guys that still needed to prove themselves and gel in '24.  And at the time they looked like useless losers.  Only by the end of the season did we think they had talent.

Could be the same thing here.  Or maybe not.  Or maybe a mix.

For example, Bonds was baaaad to start '24.  He looked as useless as Bridges in '25.  But by the end Bonds was pretty legit.  Not great, but not a huge liability.  A few times they'd pick on him and he'd get picks or near-picks, and teams would back off.

So is Bridges baaaaaad just to start '25 and will be decent by year end?  Or is he just plain baaaaad.

The point is Brown should compare the knowledge/predictions at the start of '25 to the start of '24, not to the end of '24!

Quote from: The Zipp on July 27, 2025, 07:00:19 PMkind of odd how we were able to get sacks in a short spurt and then nothing - what did TO do different to counteract our pressure?

They started doing draw screens and hitches, etc.  The first time they did a draw screen they really burned us as it suckered everyone in.  Another football IQ issue right there: someone has to suss out the screen and bleed off to the intended carrier.

After that burn we backed off on the blitzes a bit.

Also, we'd blitz on 1st, get them in 2nd & 20 and they'd just convert every time like they were 2016 CGY.  We never followed a blitz by a blitz, and we'd always go soft zone with no pressure.  Aggravating.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 30, 2025, 06:04:38 AMYa.  Around '23 I started questioning our "hunger" level.  That 2019 hunger wasn't there anymore.  It's a huge part of why we lost the '22-'23 cups.

There's something about struggling so hard and losing so bad for years that gives you that hunger that only winning the cup will satiate.  Once you get that cup, that hunger can never be regained.  I think hunger could give a team at least a 10% edge, all else being equal.  That hunger is what had MTL stopping our last drive in '23 and then scoring in 3-down mode at the last second.

To overcome the lack of hunger by WPG, we have to be at least 10% better in all other facets.

I agree. Thought MTL was going to win once leaders on this team started guaranteeing a win to the media. Toronto won a GC more recently than we did prior to last GC and they still looked hungrier than we did.

Ok, musical chair time sorting out this week's roster. Quite probable we have a change at receiver due to injury. Not many choices but someone has to be added. Vaval being out could mean that Mitchell gets added as the returner even if he's not the starting receiver choice.

OTOH, that's a 2 for 1 benefit in theory. I'd like to think Logan is ready soon but not convinced it's this week. That continues to be unfortunate.

Just guessing but I think Kelly comes on the AR and replaces Ball on ST's. Kelly is pretty good in that role and can ease into getting some reps on defence.

Lots of changes possible but IMO the biggest questions are on the OL regarding who can be added.

I believe Collaros will play but can he survive another hit taking him out of the game early? No easy answer there but if the OL gets some help maybe he has better protection this week.

I'm not suggesting the possible changes at DB and receiver aren't important but everything starts with the offence being able to win LOS and TOP. That helps keep the defence off the field.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 30, 2025, 06:09:31 AMThat's a bit of hindsight is 20/20 though.  There were new guys that still needed to prove themselves and gel in '24.  And at the time they looked like useless losers.  Only by the end of the season did we think they had talent.

Could be the same thing here.  Or maybe not.  Or maybe a mix.

For example, Bonds was baaaad to start '24.  He looked as useless as Bridges in '25.  But by the end Bonds was pretty legit.  Not great, but not a huge liability.  A few times they'd pick on him and he'd get picks or near-picks, and teams would back off.

So is Bridges baaaaaad just to start '25 and will be decent by year end?  Or is he just plain baaaaad.

The point is Brown should compare the knowledge/predictions at the start of '25 to the start of '24, not to the end of '24!

What does bad mean???  That's a poor choice of words to describe a problem because it's too general, it's little more than an insult. I believe Bonds and Bridges are athletically gifted enough to play corner as I've seen no evidence that they can't keep up with the fastest receivers or jump with the best of them.  So the problem is that they continue to make mental mistakes, which is not unusual for inexperienced CB's who are often picked upon.  As MOS might say, "is that on them for not being able to absorb what's taught, or does the failure fall on the coaching staff for not doing a good enough job of teaching?"  Or maybe it come down to a half season of experience cures all.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 30, 2025, 03:45:43 PMOk, musical chair time sorting out this week's roster. Quite probable we have a change at receiver due to injury. Not many choices but someone has to be added. Vaval being out could mean that Mitchell gets added as the returner even if he's not the starting receiver choice.

OTOH, that's a 2 for 1 benefit in theory. I'd like to think Logan is ready soon but not convinced it's this week. That continues to be unfortunate.

Just guessing but I think Kelly comes on the AR and replaces Ball on ST's. Kelly is pretty good in that role and can ease into getting some reps on defence.

Lots of changes possible but IMO the biggest questions are on the OL regarding who can be added.

I believe Collaros will play but can he survive another hit taking him out of the game early? No easy answer there but if the OL gets some help maybe he has better protection this week.

I'm not suggesting the possible changes at DB and receiver aren't important but everything starts with the offence being able to win LOS and TOP. That helps keep the defence off the field.

Ed Tait and Derek Taylor touched upon the Dillon Mitchell problem in the Bomber podcast yesterday, they strongly suggested he got beat out executing the waggle in practice by Kody Case and implied he probably will not make the roster unless a spot is opened up for him standing on the line.  I suppose that means Clercius or Wheatfall will be moved to slot so Mitchell can come on as WR and help out with kick and punt returns. Gavin Cobb might also make the roster if Vaval is not ready to go.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 30, 2025, 05:13:50 PMEd Tait and Derek Taylor touched upon the Dillon Mitchell problem in the Bomber podcast yesterday, they strongly suggested he got beat out executing the waggle in practice by Kody Case and implied he probably will not make the roster unless a spot is opened up for him standing on the line.  I suppose that means Clercius or Wheatfall will be moved to slot so Mitchell can come on as WR and help out with kick and punt returns. Gavin Cobb might also make the roster if Vaval is not ready to go.

I suggested moving Clercius to SB so Mitchell could be added instead of having Case on the AR last week. It seemed like the lesser of two not so great choices. I wasn't impressed by Case in 2024 so was surprised he was retained after having so many receivers in TC.

If the new receiver on the PR beats him onto the AR, then it's time to part ways with Mitchell.

For that matter I wonder if they've called White to see if he wants to return?

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 30, 2025, 05:29:55 PMI suggested moving Clercius to SB so Mitchell could be added instead of having Case on the AR last week. It seemed like the lesser of two not so great choices. I wasn't impressed by Case in 2024 so was surprised he was retained after having so many receivers in TC.

If the new receiver on the PR beats him onto the AR, then it's time to part ways with Mitchell.

For that matter I wonder if they've called White to see if he wants to return?

In the 2 games Case played I saw hints of why they kept him, he was incredibly quick, but he's gone now.  Joey Corcoran still has a step up on Mitchell and could be moved to slot but I'm impatient to see if Mitchell can add a touch of magic to the offence like Wheatfall did.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 30, 2025, 05:13:50 PMEd Tait and Derek Taylor touched upon the Dillon Mitchell problem in the Bomber podcast yesterday, they strongly suggested he got beat out executing the waggle in practice by Kody Case and implied he probably will not make the roster unless a spot is opened up for him standing on the line.  I suppose that means Clercius or Wheatfall will be moved to slot so Mitchell can come on as WR and help out with kick and punt returns. Gavin Cobb might also make the roster if Vaval is not ready to go.

That said, DT said he expected Mitchell to come into the lineup and Wheatfall to be moved to the slot this week.

In his three years with the Elks, the former Oregon Duck accumulated 1,896 yards on 130 receptions with 12 touchdowns, while also serving on special teams in 2022 and 2024 – returning 25 kickoffs for 535 yards and 31 punts for 254 yards.

good for 8 yards a punt return...sign him up

I am more excited to see him at WR..Clercius seems like more a slot guy but I am sure Wheatfall will do fine there.

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Taylor Allen   @TaylorAllen31  19m
Mike O'Shea, uncharacteristically, confirmed that QB Zach Collaros will not play this Friday against the Argos. Collaros is on the injury list with a neck injury.

I asked O'Shea if he expects him to be out for a while and he said no.

Derek Taylor   @DTonOB   26m
Bombers HC Mike O'Shea announces that Zach Collaros will not play Friday vs. the Argos. Won't confirm that Chris Streveler will start.

Collaros did not return to last week's game after half. Was listed on the injury report with a neck injury.

what's up with Big Stanley - broken, high ankle sprain??

Quote from: gobombersgo on July 30, 2025, 07:42:05 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GxIPGcqW8AAKShI?format=jpg&name=small)

Well that's a series of bad news.

I repeat: why didn't Logan go on the 6 game IR to start the season. Obviously he wasn't going to be able to practice for an extended time.

The same question about Bryant. He could always come of the 6 game IR earlier if necessary. This will be game 3 missed and no practice.

Didn't know Vanterpool was nicked. Has Lofton played LT before if he is the necessary addition?

So Makonzo and Kelly are still healthy and could be added.  Ball would be my choice to remove. Flip a coin on which of the two goes in.

I thought Vaval was injured, so I'm not sure what that does if anything for our returner and starting CB. No mention of him on the IR report.

Collaros out won't help. Streveler is only going to win if the rest of the team performs well and they haven't been doing that recently.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 30, 2025, 08:10:23 PMWell that's a series of bad news.

I repeat: why didn't Logan go on the 6 game IR to start the season. Obviously he wasn't going to be able to practice for an extended time.

The same question about Bryant. He could always come of the 6 game IR earlier if necessary. This will be game 3 missed and no practice.

Didn't know Vanterpool was nicked. Has Lofton played LT before if he is the necessary addition?

If neither Bryant or Vanterpool can play Friday, that would be rough, Randolph to LT and Lofton back in at RT.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 30, 2025, 08:22:20 PMIf neither Bryant or Vanterpool can play Friday, that would be rough, Randolph to LT and Lofton back in at RT.

That would be the worst case scenario.
Mitchell should get some reps at WR now with Case listed as OUT. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do!
MOS didn't announce that Strevler would start but I think it's safe to assume. Is it bad that I kind of want Wilson to start? I don't think we are really in a position to win a cup this year. If the staff believe that Wilson has starter potential, it would be nice to see him get a full game.

Quote from: LXTSN on July 30, 2025, 08:32:24 PMThat would be the worst case scenario.
Mitchell should get some reps at WR now with Case listed as OUT. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do!
MOS didn't announce that Strevler would start but I think it's safe to assume. Is it bad that I kind of want Wilson to start? I don't think we are really in a position to win a cup this year. If the staff believe that Wilson has starter potential, it would be nice to see him get a full game.

It's still too early to think we can't make the Grey Cup. In 2024 we were 2-6 and made it there. Do we look like we can turn it around?

No not really but this is based on cumulative injuries at the moment. Every game is critical but the next two may determine the direction we're headed.

The Elks and the Lions also suck so we may be in a fight for 3rd based on current situation.

derek taylor says he doesn't think Mitchell will get in the line up.  cobb and corcoran time. 

how bad is Dillon Mitchell??  must be really bad. 

from DT:

My gut says we're going to get more Joey Corcoran and some Gavin Cobb at receiver. Cobb has done punt & kick returning in the CFL.

Quote from: LXTSN on July 30, 2025, 08:32:24 PMThat would be the worst case scenario.
Mitchell should get some reps at WR now with Case listed as OUT. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do!
MOS didn't announce that Strevler would start but I think it's safe to assume. Is it bad that I kind of want Wilson to start? I don't think we are really in a position to win a cup this year. If the staff believe that Wilson has starter potential, it would be nice to see him get a full game.

If Strev starts the defence is going to have to keep the score close, he can sustain drives and score points if he doesn't give the ball away, but it takes them a long time to march the field.  Great if they're ahead, bad if they fall behind and have to play ketchup.

Quote from: The Zipp on July 30, 2025, 08:43:52 PMderek taylor says he doesn't think Mitchell will get in the line up.  cobb and corcoran time. 

how bad is Dillon Mitchell??  must be really bad. 

from DT:

My gut says we're going to get more Joey Corcoran and some Gavin Cobb at receiver. Cobb has done punt & kick returning in the CFL.

That's a ratio advantage. Who gets added instead?

This game is going to be on Jason Hogan to design running plays for Streveler. If Strev is sitting back in the pocket, this game will be done by half-time. Double tight-end, RB option plays, please.

#Argos starting safety Derek Slywka ruled out for Friday vs the #Bombers. The rookie was injured and left the game last week in Toronto.

We now know of a few roster changes:

Transactions:

2025-07-30   WPG   BRIDGES, Marquise   DB   A   North Dakota State   TRF TO PRACTICE ROSTER   Practice Roster
2025-07-30   WPG   PETERSON, Matthew   RB   N   Alberta   TRF TO PRACTICE ROSTER   Practice Roster
2025-07-30   WPG   KORNELSON, Collin   DL   N   Manitoba   TRF TO PRACTICE ROSTER   Practice Roster
2025-07-30   WPG   COOLEY, Quinton   RB   A   Liberty University   ADD FROM PRACTICE ROSTER   Active Roster

Quote from: gobombersgo on July 30, 2025, 11:32:40 PMWe now know of a few roster changes:

Transactions:

2025-07-30   WPG   BRIDGES, Marquise   DB   A   North Dakota State   TRF TO PRACTICE ROSTER   Practice Roster
2025-07-30   WPG   PETERSON, Matthew   RB   N   Alberta   TRF TO PRACTICE ROSTER   Practice Roster
2025-07-30   WPG   KORNELSON, Collin   DL   N   Manitoba   TRF TO PRACTICE ROSTER   Practice Roster
2025-07-30   WPG   COOLEY, Quinton   RB   A   Liberty University   ADD FROM PRACTICE ROSTER   Active Roster

Why would they take Peterson out to add Cooley who won't see the field much unless we're going to run 50 times.

Two Canadians out should mean we may see Kelly and Makonzo added. Maybe even Cobb as a choice or some version of these 3 choices.

None of this answers the receiver issue or whether we add another import DB.  OL & QB changes still pending.

Quote from: The Zipp on July 30, 2025, 10:36:59 PM#Argos starting safety Derek Slywka ruled out for Friday vs the #Bombers. The rookie was injured and left the game last week in Toronto.

He's played very well. I wonder who is the back up safety?

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 30, 2025, 11:51:24 PMWhy would they take Peterson out to add Cooley who won't see the field much unless we're going to run 50 times.

Two Canadians out should mean we may see Kelly and Makonzo added. Maybe even Cobb as a choice or some version of these 3 choices.

None of this answers the receiver issue or whether we add another import DB.  OL & QB changes still pending.

There will be players added from the injured lists;

my guess is Mitchell, Kelly and Makonzo.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 30, 2025, 11:51:24 PMWhy would they take Peterson out to add Cooley who won't see the field much unless we're going to run 50 times.

Two Canadians out should mean we may see Kelly and Makonzo added. Maybe even Cobb as a choice or some version of these 3 choices.

None of this answers the receiver issue or whether we add another import DB.  OL & QB changes still pending.

Maybe Brady isn't 100% (random guess no clue)
Might be trying to do dual rbs, keep em fresh
Very interesting what happens at DB and OL
So much riding on this game and so many questions
I want Cobb (bad!)

Quote from: peg_city on July 30, 2025, 10:19:25 PMThis game is going to be on Jason Hogan to design running plays for Streveler. If Strev is sitting back in the pocket, this game will be done by half-time. Double tight-end, RB option plays, please.

Disagree need a mix of everything to run a successful offence
But yes plenty of run please
Don't mind me a jumbo at times

Quote from: The Zipp on July 30, 2025, 08:43:52 PMderek taylor says he doesn't think Mitchell will get in the line up.  cobb and corcoran time. 

how bad is Dillon Mitchell??  must be really bad. 

from DT:

My gut says we're going to get more Joey Corcoran and some Gavin Cobb at receiver. Cobb has done punt & kick returning in the CFL.

100% correct imo, nice that Cobb can return! Forgot about that!!!

So if Cooley goes in, what import comes off the field?? Makes more sense to use Peterson, but whatever. Friday nights game is going to be a gong show.

Quote from: dd on July 31, 2025, 02:15:21 AMSo if Cooley goes in, what import comes off the field?? Makes more sense to use Peterson, but whatever. Friday nights game is going to be a gong show.

We ran with Cooley and Peterson before without issue but different OL and can't remember who came off.  Someone will know.  I don't think it will be a gong show unless it's turnover city.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 30, 2025, 08:53:36 PMIf Strev starts the defence is going to have to keep the score close, he can sustain drives and score points if he doesn't give the ball away, but it takes them a long time to march the field.  Great if they're ahead, bad if they fall behind and have to play ketchup.

Can always cut the mustard

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 30, 2025, 03:45:43 PMOk, musical chair time sorting out this week's roster. Quite probable we have a change at receiver due to injury. Not many choices but someone has to be added. Vaval being out could mean that Mitchell gets added as the returner even if he's not the starting receiver choice.

OTOH, that's a 2 for 1 benefit in theory. I'd like to think Logan is ready soon but not convinced it's this week. That continues to be unfortunate.

Just guessing but I think Kelly comes on the AR and replaces Ball on ST's. Kelly is pretty good in that role and can ease into getting some reps on defence.

Lots of changes possible but IMO the biggest questions are on the OL regarding who can be added.

I believe Collaros will play but can he survive another hit taking him out of the game early? No easy answer there but if the OL gets some help maybe he has better protection this week.

I'm not suggesting the possible changes at DB and receiver aren't important but everything starts with the offence being able to win LOS and TOP. That helps keep the defence off the field.

Cobb in at receiver I bet and could return if Vaval hurt
After reading all the other posts I have no clue now, so many options so little time lol
Roll the dice on our changes, just no snake eyes

Quote from: gobombersgo on July 30, 2025, 11:59:06 PMThere will be players added from the injured lists;

my guess is Mitchell, Kelly and Makonzo.

Kornelson coming off so likely Wood coming on unless they're going with 3 DT's which they never do.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 02:48:00 AMKornelson coming off so likely Wood coming on unless they're going with 3 DT's which they never do.

Nope don't think so. As mentioned he still has 1 more week on 6 game IR. Then there is the ratio issue to deal with to add him.

Will be lots of moved to and from IR tomorrow. Case will move to 6 game IR in theory. Any or all of Lofton, Kelly, Makonzo, Schmekel are on the possible move to AR. I doubt it will be Schmekel but I didn't think Cooley would be added either.

Speaking of Cooley, it may be that he's a better blocker than Peterson at the moment and more explosive. Maybe BO is nicked but then we would have kept Peterson too?

So if we don't add or use an another receiver, we can expect 30 or more run plays and 20 or less passing plays. YIKES.

maybe Cooley will be the returner??

Quote from: The Zipp on July 31, 2025, 03:24:04 AMmaybe Cooley will be the returner??

The Cooley move is unexpected, I was just thinking a few days ago that everyone has pretty much forgotten about him.  Don't see the purpose of moving him to the roster unless a team like the Riders was snooping around the PR looking to sign him after losing Kadeem Carey, but that doesn't make much sense as there are many available RB options looking for work.

If Zach goes to the 1 game, will they roster Artie?

Quote from: dd on July 31, 2025, 02:15:21 AMSo if Cooley goes in, what import comes off the field?? Makes more sense to use Peterson, but whatever. Friday nights game is going to be a gong show.

The Cooley move 100% implies we will start a NAT (probably Corcoran?) in place of Case.  Mitchell gets to sit on his duff for another week.  That dude will never see the field.

I don't think Brady is any more nicked than usual, so I think Cooley gives us a change of pace option that we plan to use.  Clearly just playing ball will not win us anything on Friday, so we need to mix things up.  Maybe Cooley has started showing he can take dump and screen passes now?

Plus, when your team is such hot garbage it often pays to really shake things up to make players uncomfortable with their AR status...

If Mitchell of the D variety is such a waste of space, then cut him and get Mitchell of the M variety back here.  At least that dude was giving 110% effort and had his head in the right place.

Quote from: gobombersgo on July 30, 2025, 11:32:40 PMWe now know of a few roster changes:

Transactions:

2025-07-30    WPG    BRIDGES, Marquise    DB    A    North Dakota State    TRF TO PRACTICE ROSTER    Practice Roster
2025-07-30    WPG    PETERSON, Matthew    RB    N    Alberta    TRF TO PRACTICE ROSTER    Practice Roster
2025-07-30    WPG    KORNELSON, Collin    DL    N    Manitoba    TRF TO PRACTICE ROSTER    Practice Roster
2025-07-30    WPG    COOLEY, Quinton    RB    A    Liberty University    ADD FROM PRACTICE ROSTER    Active Roster

Wild!!  A rare 3-game-loss bench by Mafia.  I'm glad they are reacting so quickly... well, quickly in Mafia terms.

The July 30 MOS presser was VERY telling, and a great one that everyone should watch.  Asked about issues and yanking guys, and Bridges in particular, MOS spelled out precisely what it takes to bench a guy.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 30, 2025, 04:46:15 PMWhat does bad mean???  That's a poor choice of words to describe a problem because it's too general, it's little more than an insult. I believe Bonds and Bridges are athletically gifted enough to play corner as I've seen no evidence that they can't keep up with the fastest receivers or jump with the best of them.

Bad means not getting the job done.  I'm not sure I really care if it's because they can't run or jump (we've had DBs like this a lone while back), or can't hip-pocket a REC (seen that too), or are just (to be nice) "low football IQ".  I also don't care if it's an insult, because it kind of is.  To say "you suck" in some facet is always kind of an insult by its very nature.

We've had DBs exactly like this in the past, and they get roasted and roasted here until Mafia finally wised up and benched/cut them.  In every case we were right, because any capable CFL fan can see when a DB is hopeless out there.

I can't recall their names right at this moment, but seriously we were having this exactly same convo and issue like 6-9 years ago about other rookie(ish) DBs.  (If someone can remember some names, that would be cool!)  Oooh, it's on the tip of my mind... who was that one guy everyone in the world saw stunk except MOS?... come on... maybe 2017?  He was the laughing stock whipping boy here for half the season!

Anyhow, so we gonna lose.  Big Stan out, so bad OL stays in... but wait!  There's more!  Vanterpool may be nicked and may be a GTD!  Oh joy!  If Lofton is still out, then what on earth are we fielding?  Rand Wallace Ko-man Eli Neuf?  Total disaster.

But it's not all gloom... Vegas says we'll win, with a 3.5pt spread!  Huh, wha?  Have Jimmy the Greek give me a call, I'll set him straight.

We'll be starting a new CB, almost certainly a rookie unless we shuffle Parker.  While it may be true that "anyone must be better than Bridges", a rookie could get burned big time just from lack of experience.  Arbuckle is a seasoned uber-vet (as in uber-old, not uber-good) and Whisperer Dinwiddie will be whispering sweet nothings fakes and tricks into his helmet to destroy whoever is weakest in our corps.

Vaval appears ok, which is a miracle, but likely harboring some ding somewhere.  And it would appear he'll be the one back there taking the return poundings.  Maybe Cooley on as backup / other side.

Yet another brand new REC will step in.  Any chem Case was starting to get is ankle-blown away until 2026.

You know what, with Strev starting I'd throw Mitchell in if for nothing other than the reason would Strev/Mitchell be on the same page after both sharing the "2nd team" in practice for 8 weeks?  You can sometimes get strange synergies with 2nd team matchups.  But it won't happen, because hey that would make too much sense!  So I'll also hope Corcoran or Cobb may have the same effect.

Our only hope is by some miracle we keep things within 1-2 scores so the boobirds don't rain down and the crowd all leaves at 12:00 this time instead of 6:00.  That will take ST and D scores.  Good luck with that.  I say we get blown away.

That said, I think we can still make the cup if we make some strategic signings / trades and have some IR luck (Schoen, Stan, Lofton, Logan, looking at you).  So it's not really the end of the world.  Well, not yet.

Looks like 26 for kick off, 8 Km, SW wind. Air quality in the unhealthy range.

Cooley being added is fun, although I really want to see what Mitchell can do. But with Cooley, we can run 2 back sets and pop the ball out behind the LOS a variety of was. Our offense was at its best this season using Chris-Ike as a gadget guy, so perhaps the addition of Cooley will open the playbook more. Peterson was and is a great depth player but if we're essentially ignoring a receiver spot (let's be real, Corcoran/Cobb will see few targets) then we may as put the ball in two running backs hands instead of one.

Quote from: DM83 on July 31, 2025, 12:23:26 PMWhat or who is a Cad? I am a fan, but not familiar with "pet" names.

Cadwallader.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 31, 2025, 07:33:11 AMThe Cooley move 100% implies we will start a NAT (probably Corcoran?) in place of Case.  Mitchell gets to sit on his duff for another week.  That dude will never see the field.

I don't think Brady is any more nicked than usual, so I think Cooley gives us a change of pace option that we plan to use.  Clearly just playing ball will not win us anything on Friday, so we need to mix things up.  Maybe Cooley has started showing he can take dump and screen passes now?

Plus, when your team is such hot garbage it often pays to really shake things up to make players uncomfortable with their AR status...

If Mitchell of the D variety is such a waste of space, then cut him and get Mitchell of the M variety back here.  At least that dude was giving 110% effort and had his head in the right place.

I'm not sure what the thinking was adding Cooley. Obviously Bridges came off the roster and it doesn't appear we're adding another import DB. Kelly comes on IMO and Griffin are depth in the secondary.

Mitchell could still be added when they move Case to IR. IDK that will be the choice but it could be. All of that might depend on whether Vanterpool can or can't play. One choice could be back to 3 import OL, but that's not certain either.

Then there is the import receiver on the PR but that seems unlikely as well.

So the depth chart and moves are going to be interesting.

BTW we could have moved Cooley to 1 game IR if we were just trying to protect him. OTOH if another team was trying to scoop him we had to add him to AR for 3 games IIRC?

Either way, it surprised me that he was added. Not because of talent issue, just because of ratio. At best he'll get some reps but be limited behind Oliveria.

Kramdi at safety hats off to those that predicted that
Corcoran at slot
Lofton starting

Only worry is OL

I didn't want Kramdi at safety but makes sense now I think about it more

Was worried about Parker at corner, hopefully hasn't lost as much of a step as I had thought

Cobb backup at slot, I like that

No Mitchell as expected

This might just work! Griffin starting at LB will work just great, our master plan to play so many Lbs might turn out to be a good strategy
Very deep and our pillars of strength

I'll eat crow on Kramdi at FS and Parker at CB if it works out and we win, I really didn't know what to do but I think the Bomber brass has got the right combo for now!!!! GO BLUE

Yeah with Kelly and Hallet in if Kramdl is getting beat we still have the strongest d in a while

Quote from: Pete on July 31, 2025, 02:32:45 PMYeah with Kelly and Hallet in if Kramdl is getting beat we still have the strongest d in a while

Kramdi hasn't been your problem though.

Kramdi 5'11" nearly 200 lbs is a physical player who will add some size to our DB group. He also has pretty good closing speed. He also has a little nasty to him. 

Quote from: Pigskin on July 31, 2025, 02:47:22 PMKramdi 5'11" nearly 200 lbs is a physical player who will add some size to our DB group. He also has pretty good closing speed. He also has a little nasty to him. 

I could see him laying some hits over the middle for sure. Deep coverage would be my only concern.
Starting 9 nationals! I don't know how I feel about Corcoran starting or Lofton at LT but we gotta make due with what we have.
Griffin and Parker I think will do really well in their new spots! I would love for Griffin to be a full time starter!
Jones also finally getting a chance too!
SO MUCH GOING ON lol

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 31, 2025, 02:15:12 PMKramdi at safety hats off to those that predicted that
Corcoran at slot
Lofton starting

Only worry is OL

I didn't want Kramdi at safety but makes sense now I think about it more

Was worried about Parker at corner, hopefully hasn't lost as much of a step as I had thought

Cobb backup at slot, I like that

No Mitchell as expected

This might just work! Griffin starting at LB will work just great, our master plan to play so many Lbs might turn out to be a good strategy
Very deep and our pillars of strength

I'll eat crow on Kramdi at FS and Parker at CB if it works out and we win, I really didn't know what to do but I think the Bomber brass has got the right combo for now!!!! GO BLUE

You mentioned a couple times that Parker is too old for the corner. Just so you know he is actually younger than both Bonds & Bridges.

Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 31, 2025, 03:43:47 PMYou mentioned a couple times that Parker is too old for the corner. Just so you know he is actually younger than both Bonds & Bridges.

Thanks for correcting me, I had him as an old vet in my mind.  Weird.  I apologize for that confusion.  What I see with him is a good player that may have lost a step and previously was beat out by other players in our secondary.  This year I thought he was better suited at safety as a result.  Full disclosure I have always like him and perhaps I am wrong in my analysis of his play.  Hopefully he can still play corner and we can figure out who our next safety it.  Some haven't thought he has done well at safety, I put his performance there as average.  I am excited to see what Kramdi can do.  I think he is a little out of his element but he is a very good athlete and maybe he can fill in here just right.  I have been pumping his tires from the start of his career.  I seen something in him from the start even when he was getting roasted on passing down.  I think he has figured that out but likely still developing this part of his game.

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 31, 2025, 03:56:43 PMThanks for correcting me, I had him as an old vet in my mind.  Weird.  I apologize for that confusion.  What I see with him is a good player that may have lost a step and previously was beat out by other players in our secondary.  This year I thought he was better suited at safety as a result.  Full disclosure I have always like him and perhaps I am wrong in my analysis of his play.  Hopefully he can still play corner and we can figure out who our next safety it.  Some haven't thought he has done well at safety, I put his performance there as average.  I am excited to see what Kramdi can do.  I think he is a little out of his element but he is a very good athlete and maybe he can fill in here just right.  I have been pumping his tires from the start of his career.  I seen something in him from the start even when he was getting roasted on passing down.  I think he has figured that out but likely still developing this part of his game.

I don't think he's lost a step...but I don't think he was a burner to begin with. He did great at Corner when he first came in, has gotten games at HB, and I even think we tried him at SAM. Very versatile. I do hope he can find a way to get back to impacting the game like he can and getting our secondary to be feared again!

Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 31, 2025, 04:01:57 PMI don't think he's lost a step...but I don't think he was a burner to begin with. He did great at Corner when he first came in, has gotten games at HB, and I even think we tried him at SAM. Very versatile. I do hope he can find a way to get back to impacting the game like he can and getting our secondary to be feared again!

Ah that's a better analysis, thanks for your input my friend.  I am excited with these changes even more now! :)

I was worried about Parker but not anymore :)

J. Jones and Kelly in gives us depth, I didn't noticed those two until other did.  So many changes, I don't remember that much change in Bomber land for a long time, we got too much homework, can't keep up 

Maybe send Kramdi on safety blitz :)

I am actually very confident in our D now.  Just need that O to move the ball! I expect some serious rotation at LB and folks look out for Kelly let us know how he looks, I don't often pick up on the fringe players (likely on ST?).

Need to rotate the DL more than last week, one guy out means keep the meat fresh, hopefully got fresh air! :)

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 31, 2025, 04:03:37 PMAh that's a better analysis, thanks for your input my friend.  I am excited with these changes even more now! :)

I was worried about Parker but not anymore :)

J. Jones and Kelly in gives us depth, I didn't noticed those two until other did.  So many changes, I don't remember that much change in Bomber land for a long time, we got too much homework, can't keep up 

I am actually very confident in our D now.  Just need that O to move the ball! I expect some serious rotation at LB and folks look out for Kelly let us know how he looks, I don't often pick up on the fringe players (likely on ST?).

Is the actual depth chart out?  I can't find it

Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 31, 2025, 04:07:29 PMIs the actual depth chart out?  I can't find it

yup GDT! :) and full one on the bomber site with all the player details

we gotta switch over to that one now ;)

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 31, 2025, 08:03:53 AMAnyhow, so we gonna lose.  Big Stan out, so bad OL stays in... but wait!  There's more!  Vanterpool may be nicked and may be a GTD!  Oh joy!  If Lofton is still out, then what on earth are we fielding?  Rand Wallace Ko-man Eli Neuf?  Total disaster.

But it's not all gloom... Vegas says we'll win, with a 3.5pt spread!  Huh, wha?  Have Jimmy the Greek give me a call, I'll set him straight.

We'll be starting a new CB, almost certainly a rookie unless we shuffle Parker.  While it may be true that "anyone must be better than Bridges", a rookie could get burned big time just from lack of experience.  Arbuckle is a seasoned uber-vet (as in uber-old, not uber-good) and Whisperer Dinwiddie will be whispering sweet nothings fakes and tricks into his helmet to destroy whoever is weakest in our corps.

Vaval appears ok, which is a miracle, but likely harboring some ding somewhere.  And it would appear he'll be the one back there taking the return poundings.  Maybe Cooley on as backup / other side.

Yet another brand new REC will step in.  Any chem Case was starting to get is ankle-blown away until 2026.

You know what, with Strev starting I'd throw Mitchell in if for nothing other than the reason would Strev/Mitchell be on the same page after both sharing the "2nd team" in practice for 8 weeks?  You can sometimes get strange synergies with 2nd team matchups.  But it won't happen, because hey that would make too much sense!  So I'll also hope Corcoran or Cobb may have the same effect.

Our only hope is by some miracle we keep things within 1-2 scores so the boobirds don't rain down and the crowd all leaves at 12:00 this time instead of 6:00.  That will take ST and D scores.  Good luck with that.  I say we get blown away.

That said, I think we can still make the cup if we make some strategic signings / trades and have some IR luck (Schoen, Stan, Lofton, Logan, looking at you).  So it's not really the end of the world.  Well, not yet.

Not the end of the world?? We ll see after this game.

Vegas has us as favourites?? They're going to take a bath on this one!!

Kramdi to safety sorta surprised me, I thought kelly would be moved to there. kramdi will bring a nasty physical presence for sure, and he knows our system so there should Ben fewer communication problems. For sure Toronto will go after our new SAM, but I think griffin I saw up to it

Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 31, 2025, 04:01:57 PMI don't think he's lost a step...but I don't think he was a burner to begin with. He did great at Corner when he first came in, has gotten games at HB, and I even think we tried him at SAM. Very versatile. I do hope he can find a way to get back to impacting the game like he can and getting our secondary to be feared again!

I think Parker was always very fast and he didn't get beat out, he got injured or would have been starting in 2024.

Quote from: dd on July 31, 2025, 07:55:26 PMKramdi to safety sorta surprised me, I thought kelly would be moved to there. kramdi will bring a nasty physical presence for sure, and he knows our system so there should Ben fewer communication problems. For sure Toronto will go after our new SAM, but I think griffin I saw up to it

Kelly is there on the depth chart but he hasn't played since 2024 and just started practice more recently. Long term is a TBD.

Quote from: dd on July 31, 2025, 07:55:26 PMKramdi to safety sorta surprised me, I thought kelly would be moved to there. kramdi will bring a nasty physical presence for sure, and he knows our system so there should Ben fewer communication problems. For sure Toronto will go after our new SAM, but I think griffin I saw up to it

I like this set up so much more. Kramdi scares me a bit back there, but maybe he's asked to do different things than Parker.

Certainly he's as fast as late career BA.

Griffin already played 80% of snaps, which will probably go to Jones now, so I think the overall talent on D has been raised.

Quote from: Jesse on July 31, 2025, 07:59:20 PMI like this set up so much more. Kramdi scares me a bit back there, but maybe he's asked to do different things than Parker.

Certainly he's as fast as late career BA.

Griffin already played 80% of snaps, which will probably go to Jones now, so I think the overall talent on D has been raised.

Our defense with Hall and now Younger has always had a degree of trickery around the safety. It's why they liked BA back there and the overall skillset he had. They like to try and force the QB into an additional read when they can. Kramdi won't always play over the top, I wouldn't think. Not like a Loffler set-up or something before. Kramdi and a halfback can flip concepts and such. When you bring him closer into the box you can do even more.

Quote from: Jesse on July 31, 2025, 07:59:20 PMI like this set up so much more. Kramdi scares me a bit back there, but maybe he's asked to do different things than Parker.

Certainly he's as fast as late career BA.

Griffin already played 80% of snaps, which will probably go to Jones now, so I think the overall talent on D has been raised.

The catch for Kramdi is communicating to the defence with 3 changes in the secondary as a starting point. In theory he has high football IQ and knows what each player is doing.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 31, 2025, 08:16:13 PMThe catch for Kramdi is communicating to the defence with 3 changes in the secondary as a starting point. In theory he has high football IQ and knows what each player is doing.

He's also been a regular starter for years and should be more experienced with the D calls than Parker.

Quote from: Jesse on July 31, 2025, 08:35:15 PMHe's also been a regular starter for years and should be more experienced with the D calls than Parker.

Except we've had a new DC the last two years and have changed some things. So fair point possibly but high football IQ at the player level doesn't always show up at the group level. That said he's gotten kudos for directing others in the secondary so he should have the right stuff.

Regardless of what happens this week we may see more changes next week. Woods will be eligible to come off 6 game IR. Bryant and / or Vanterpool might be available.

Collaros might be back.

Makonzo was eligible this week but who would he replace?

Logan is a mystery.

The " new " WR might be ready to get a look depending on how he does in practice and how this set of receivers does tomorrow.

We don't need 4 DB's on the PR. We do need another DT and possibly an OL for depth.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 31, 2025, 08:15:49 PMOur defense with Hall and now Younger has always had a degree of trickery around the safety. It's why they liked BA back there and the overall skillset he had. They like to try and force the QB into an additional read when they can. Kramdi won't always play over the top, I wouldn't think. Not like a Loffler set-up or something before. Kramdi and a halfback can flip concepts and such. When you bring him closer into the box you can do even more.Kramdi won't always play over the top, I wouldn't think. Not like a Loffler set-up or something before. 

I think what you're describing is more an example of Hall's defence, Younger tends to leave the Safety deep and doesn't involve him in as much run stopping. 

Not sure Parker has the right personality to be a great communicator he may betoo chill, BA was like old man Rivers back there dispensing wisdom and telling folk tales, and Kramdi is a non-stop yapper, he's going to be relentlessly annoying getting his message across.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 31, 2025, 07:43:46 AMI can't recall their names right at this moment, but seriously we were having this exactly same convo and issue like 6-9 years ago about other rookie(ish) DBs.  (If someone can remember some names, that would be cool!)  Oooh, it's on the tip of my mind... who was that one guy everyone in the world saw stunk except MOS?... come on... maybe 2017?  He was the laughing stock whipping boy here for half the season!

Roc Carmichael.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 31, 2025, 08:43:51 PMExcept we've had a new DC the last two years and have changed some things. So fair point possibly but high football IQ at the player level doesn't always show up at the group level. That said he's gotten kudos for directing others in the secondary so he should have the right stuff.

At least Kramdi was starting last year under Younger whereas Parker was injured an didn't take a snap.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 09:49:23 PMRoc Carmichael.

Auuuugh, don't say his name, 10 years of therapy down the drain!!

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 09:49:23 PMRoc Carmichael.

Wow - I am so impressed with the memories here.  I only vaguely remember the name, and nothing more.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 31, 2025, 08:43:51 PMExcept we've had a new DC the last two years and have changed some things. So fair point possibly but high football IQ at the player level doesn't always show up at the group level. That said he's gotten kudos for directing others in the secondary so he should have the right stuff.

Regardless of what happens this week we may see more changes next week. Woods will be eligible to come off 6 game IR. Bryant and / or Vanterpool might be available.

Collaros might be back.

Makonzo was eligible this week but who would he replace?

Logan is a mystery.

The " new " WR might be ready to get a look depending on how he does in practice and how this set of receivers does tomorrow.

We don't need 4 DB's on the PR. We do need another DT and possibly an OL for depth.

A new DC the last 2 years ? Younger has been the DC the last 2 he was very good last year after a slow start but this year started well the first 3 but poor the last 3.

Quote from: BBFANDM on August 01, 2025, 01:57:28 AMA new DC the last 2 years ? Younger has been the DC the last 2 he was very good last year after a slow start but this year started well the first 3 but poor the last 3.

I think CFL OC's had the winter to study Younger's DB heavy defence and devised ways to combat it.  It's a lovely scheme when it works but it sucks when it breaks down! With so many DB's on the field they should be leading the league in interceptions.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 09:49:23 PMRoc Carmichael.

The ROC!  Yes!  Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you

That was the name I was dying to remember.

Ya, so even Bridges isn't that bad.  Yikes.  Sorry for the PTSD guys!

Quote from: Jesse on July 31, 2025, 08:35:15 PMHe's also been a regular starter for years and should be more experienced with the D calls than Parker.

Parker is in year 3 (weird, I thought it was more), so he's no slouch.  But Kramdi is only in year 4 of starting.

Parker never struck me as a genius (no one ever touted it like with Kramdi), and if we need high IQ to QB the DBs, then this move to Kramdi is a good one.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 31, 2025, 07:55:31 PMI think Parker was always very fast and he didn't get beat out, he got injured or would have been starting in 2024.

Yup, he was the next Houston/Nichols/Alford in training, following his dev path very well indeed.  Until IR.

However, Parker is the one that looked foolish losing the game for us late in '23 GC on that 3rd & 3 rainbow by MTL.  Don't watch that play again, you'll cry.

Overall I think Parker is a very good DB.  Better than Bridges OR Bonds, and he's clearly versatile, which is infinitely valuable.

Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 31, 2025, 03:43:47 PMYou mentioned a couple times that Parker is too old for the corner. Just so you know he is actually younger than both Bonds & Bridges.

This is a crazy stat I would have bet money was wrong.  Parker seems like he's been here forever now (but it's only been since '22).  We must have found him young!  Good scouting.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 04:25:02 AMParker is in year 3 (weird, I thought it was more), so he's no slouch.  But Kramdi is only in year 4 of starting.

Parker never struck me as a genius (no one ever touted it like with Kramdi), and if we need high IQ to QB the DBs, then this move to Kramdi is a good one.

I think Parker got the safety job for a couple of reasons: More experience than Bridges (better suited to read the offense and align the defense) as well as having experience playing all over for Hall (starts at CB, reps at SAM and HB).

Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 04:25:02 AMParker is in year 3 (weird, I thought it was more), so he's no slouch.  But Kramdi is only in year 4 of starting.

Parker never struck me as a genius (no one ever touted it like with Kramdi), and if we need high IQ to QB the DBs, then this move to Kramdi is a good one.

Kramdi is in Year 5, Parker is technically in year 3 but didn't play last year, so not sure he has any experience at all in Younger's defence.

I'm not going to make any comment at all on either of their learning ability, lol. We have no way to know that one way or the other.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 31, 2025, 09:49:23 PMRoc Carmichael.

It's funny, watching Bridges play reminded me so much of him. My goodness, how he started so long (and wound up just leaving the team after losing his starting job) and the dialogue around him was pretty much the same every game. 5'9 career safety who was too slow and had no ball skills

I recall Kelly starting a game last season, seemed confused, appeared to be responsible for one touchdown,  and got pulled.

Quote from: markf on August 01, 2025, 01:15:13 PMI recall Kelly starting a game last season, seemed confused, appeared to be responsible for one touchdown,  and got pulled.

Sure but it takes every player some time to work into a starting role. Parker didn't exactly play error free. He may have a future as a starter or at least a good rotational DB. He is good on ST's.

Quote from: kkc60 on August 01, 2025, 12:36:30 PMIt's funny, watching Bridges play reminded me so much of him. My goodness, how he started so long (and wound up just leaving the team after losing his starting job) and the dialogue around him was pretty much the same every game. 5'9 career safety who was too slow and had no ball skills

That's being a little harsh on Bridges who has shown flashes of being decent Roc was a train wreck all the time if I am not mistaken

Bridges is better than Carmichael. Let's not let recency bias of a few bad games by the defense cloud our ability to be objective in our criticism of what's essentially a rookie DB who's struggled but has also made some good plays.

Jee-zus... What losses do this forum.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 01, 2025, 04:00:40 PMBridges is better than Carmichael. Let's not let recency bias of a few bad games by the defense cloud our ability to be objective in our criticism of a rookie DB who's struggled but has also made some good plays.

Jee-zus... What losses do this forum.

Fair enough but he's not a pure rookie. He was here in all of 2024 and was on the AR for some games.

I think the issue is that he seems to be making the same mistake biting on the early move. Getting bumped back to the PR means he may not see the AR again this season barring injury. Even then maybe not.

Speaking of DB's, why do we have Woodbey on the PR listed as a DB? He seems to be suited to a LB and is the same size as Jones and Jones.

We don't need another LB as depth on the PR. What we need is another OL due to injuries for example. Next week we may need space on the PR. I'm not sure if Collaros comes off the 1 game IR next week, but Bryant and Makonzo will be candidates to be available.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 01, 2025, 04:27:02 AMYup, he was the next Houston/Nichols/Alford in training, following his dev path very well indeed.  Until IR.

However, Parker is the one that looked foolish losing the game for us late in '23 GC on that 3rd & 3 rainbow by MTL.  Don't watch that play again, you'll cry.

Overall I think Parker is a very good DB.  Better than Bridges OR Bonds, and he's clearly versatile, which is infinitely valuable.

Can't forget Parker made the game saving takcle below with no time left on the clock, which also caused the injury that cost him all of last season.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 01, 2025, 05:06:37 PMCan't forget Parker made the game saving takcle below with no time left on the clock, which also caused the injury that cost him all of last season.

Oh ya!  Epic epic stuff.  That's hustle and will-to-win right there.  No wonder MOS let him rehab for an entire season and keep his starting role.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 01, 2025, 03:43:08 PMThat's being a little harsh on Bridges who has shown flashes of being decent Roc was a train wreck all the time if I am not mistaken

I think Roc had 1 game where he made a couple of plays and looked like he may have been turning the corner: I remember saying at least 1 good thing once about the guy.  Pure hopium!

Then the next couple of games he was same ol' Roc...