Has anyone heard whether he will be healthy at any time soon? I haven't even heard whether he's running or close to practising yet.
He may have not beaten out Adams as the starter in TC but at some point we may need him due to injury.
IIRC he had some sort of knee injury and that potentially could be a season ending situation.
Haven't heard anything but agree he would be a solid addition if healthy. Adams and Woods were the reason we let some other talent on the DL walk, some of which have found some success starting or in rotational roles elsewhere.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 21, 2025, 05:11:20 PMHaven't heard anything but agree he would be a solid addition if healthy. Adams and Woods were the reason we let some other talent on the DL walk, some of which have found some success starting or in rotational roles elsewhere.
The catch is ratio and it would be difficult to get both on the AR. Not impossible but a choice. He'd also need some time to get back to game speed and conditioning if and when healthy. So at best maybe mid season if he hasn't been practising.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 05:37:10 PMThe catch is ratio and it would be difficult to get both on the AR. Not impossible but a choice. He'd also need some time to get back to game speed and conditioning if and when healthy. So at best maybe mid season if he hasn't been practising.
Good point, would be in tough at 1st to replace Adams. Never thought of that. Mid season we likely see him if he comes of the 6 game.
We should be considering bringing in another DT to the PR in case Adams gets injured. Schmekel is the only other DT we have at the moment.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 05:44:59 PMWe should be considering bringing in another DT to the PR in case Adams gets injured. Schmekel is the only other DT we have at the moment.
Who was our last cuts at camp? Would anyone we cut be worth it or you thinking fresh meat?
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 21, 2025, 05:48:45 PMWho was our last cuts at camp? Would anyone we cut be worth it or you thinking fresh meat?
IDK. I looked at rosters we had at the beginning of TC and didn't see anyone listed as a DT. There may be some interest in cuts from other teams but I think at this point it's just a pure rookie. Maybe off our neg list. There were about 8 DL on the 1st neg list released but I have no idea whether they are DT's or DE's or what their availability is at the moment.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 05:52:27 PMIDK. I looked at rosters we had at the beginning of TC and didn't see anyone listed as a DT. There may be some interest in cuts from other teams but I think at this point it's just a pure rookie. Maybe off our neg list. There were about 8 DL on the 1st neg list released but I have no idea whether they are DT's or DE's or what their availability is at the moment.
we should be looking at Montreal's last cuts..or their PR...we rostered 17 players for 7 positions and the one guy we brought on (Person) played 8 snaps..that isn't a sound strategy.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 21, 2025, 06:11:30 PMwe should be looking at Montreal's last cuts..or their PR...we rostered 17 players for 7 positions and the one guy we brought on (Person) played 8 snaps..that isn't a sound strategy.
Person played his 1st game, patience is key.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 21, 2025, 06:11:30 PMwe should be looking at Montreal's last cuts..or their PR...we rostered 17 players for 7 positions and the one guy we brought on (Person) played 8 snaps..that isn't a sound strategy.
There isn't an issue with slowly rotating him in especially when we're playing a top offensive team. He's also an edge guy which we need but doesn't resolve the depth issue at DT.
Montreal doesn't seem to have any DT's on their PR. They have a couple on their IR lists including 1 on the 6 game IR.
Pulling from another teams PR is probably not the way I'd go. Almost no sample size compared to a raw rookie.
I would think that we have players at every position on neg lists or some sort of desired list to call when needed.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 05:37:10 PMThe catch is ratio and it would be difficult to get both on the AR. Not impossible but a choice. He'd also need some time to get back to game speed and conditioning if and when healthy. So at best maybe mid season if he hasn't been practising.
If the ratio was fixed the plan would be to play 2 Natl DT and 2 NI, but that currently prevents them from bringing on a 3rd NI DE. Ideally they would have a 7-8 man rotation on the D-line but to get to that level, they really need to find a Natl. DE that can contribute. Changing the ratio at Safety may open a few doors elsewhere.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 21, 2025, 06:29:03 PMIf the ratio was fixed the plan would be to play 2 Natl DT and 2 NI, but that currently prevents them from bringing on a 3rd NI DE. Ideally they would have a 7-8 man rotation on the D-line but to get to that level, they really need to find a Natl. DE that can contribute. Changing the ratio at Safety may open a few doors elsewhere.
Lots of moving parts in those comments. I've mentioned that we could add in Bailey who is an edge player at the cost of a Canadian ST player. He's a global and we're starting 8 Canadians right now so he could be added in any case. Depending on whether we go back to a 3 import OL, we may not be able to roster Person this week, unless we take Ayers off for example.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 06:38:15 PMLots of moving parts in those comments. I've mentioned that we could add in Bailey who is an edge player at the cost of a Canadian ST player. He's a global and we're starting 8 Canadians right now so he could be added in any case. Depending on whether we go back to a 3 import OL, we may not be able to roster Person this week, unless we take Ayers off for example.
Ayers over Person imo
Also interested in what Bailey can do. Might need more seasoning 1st.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 21, 2025, 06:46:56 PMAyers over Person imo
Also interested in what Bailey can do. Might need more seasoning 1st.
I'd go the other way. We don't need 10 LB's and one that is only an ST player. I think J. Jones comes on the AR if we have an injury at WIL or MLB. IMO Ayers has been passed as next up starter at LB.
We have lots of players that can pick up the slack on ST's. We need rotational capability at DE which is a more critical need. Kelly is a very good ST player but he might not be available for 2 more weeks.
All 3 of our 2025 Canadian LB's drafted are active on ST's and have recorded ST's.
Now if we add Bailey then it might push off the need at DE at the cost adding an import on defence. However, I'd like to see both on the AR and the most logical way is to bump Ayers.
OTOH, I think Bryant is back this week and we may lose the option of another import on defence with a switch to 3 import OL.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 08:02:13 PMI'd go the other way. We don't need 10 LB's and one that is only an ST player. I think J. Jones comes on the AR if we have an injury at WIL or MLB. IMO Ayers has been passed as next up starter at LB.
We have lots of players that can pick up the slack on ST's. We need rotational capability at DE which is a more critical need. Kelly is a very good ST player but he might not be available for 2 more weeks.
All 3 of our 2025 Canadian LB's drafted are active on ST's and have recorded ST's.
Now if we add Bailey then it might push off the need at DE at the cost adding an import on defence. However, I'd like to see both on the AR and the most logical way is to bump Ayers.
OTOH, I think Bryant is back this week and we may lose the option of another import on defence with a switch to 3 import OL.
Going 3 import O-line makes ratio flexibility on the Defence all the more difficult, not sure it's worth the difference it makes. Randolph and Vanterpool may enjoy a few games off with pay on the 1 game IR soon.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 21, 2025, 09:10:08 PMGoing 3 import O-line makes ratio flexibility on the Defence all the more difficult, not sure it's worth the difference it makes. Randolph and Vanterpool may enjoy a few games off with pay on the 1 game IR soon.
I know that but I also know Collaros got injured because of the play of our OL. O'Shea doesn't seem to be worried about the defence and ratio flexibility. So if Bryant is healthy I can see him deciding to go 3 import OL again.
What happens after this game is a TBD since Lofton might also be available.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 21, 2025, 09:10:08 PMGoing 3 import O-line makes ratio flexibility on the Defence all the more difficult, not sure it's worth the difference it makes.
Our best OL games this year were 3 IMP. However, Wallace hasn't been awful at LG. The problem is when we have Vant/Ran at OT instead of Stan/Lofton. We need our normal "starters" back.
It's clear that even an ailing Stan is better than anyone else at LT. Buy the league-best IMP LT in next FA. Forget about deving one -- it never works.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 22, 2025, 02:46:09 AMOur best OL games this year were 3 IMP. However, Wallace hasn't been awful at LG. The problem is when we have Vant/Ran at OT instead of Stan/Lofton. We need our normal "starters" back.
It's clear that even an ailing Stan is better than anyone else at LT. Buy the league-best IMP LT in next FA. Forget about deving one -- it never works.
Our OL would be less of an issue if our receivers were better as a complete unit. I don't think teams worry to much about Sterns or Case. Clercius is not going to beat you often for big yardage. So defences are focusing on Wheatfall and Demski. None of this is a surprise.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2025, 03:55:14 PMOur OL would be less of an issue if our receivers were better as a complete unit. I don't think teams worry to much about Sterns or Case. Clercius is not going to beat you often for big yardage. So defences are focusing on Wheatfall and Demski. None of this is a surprise.
I agree there is not much to scare many defenses with the quality and quantity of the receiver group currently in blue.
It's not the receivers that are the issue. It's that Collaros is largely immobile these days and that requires significantly better pass protection than it used to.
Go fire up the 2019 Grey Cup and watch Collaros then and now.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 22, 2025, 04:57:56 PMIt's not the receivers that are the issue. It's that Collaros is largely immobile these days and that requires significantly better pass protection than it used to.
Go fire up the 2019 Grey Cup and watch Collaros then and now.
That still doesn't change the fact our receivers are not a top level group.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 22, 2025, 04:57:56 PMIt's not the receivers that are the issue. It's that Collaros is largely immobile these days and that requires significantly better pass protection than it used to.
Go fire up the 2019 Grey Cup and watch Collaros then and now.
It's both, IMO. Losing Lawler's had an impact and Schoen's inability to stay healthy isn't helping. Demski's the only seasoned veteran of this group who's played every game so far in 2025. This is an inferior receiving corps compared to previous seasons in recent memory.
Collaros' mobility isn't what it was once, but I wonder more about the rookie OC calling the plays now. Even 2024 Collaros looked more comfortable than what we've seen this season.
It seems like a combination of issues, some more glaring than others.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2025, 06:01:16 PMThat still doesn't change the fact our receivers are not a top level group.
Top level group??? They are arguably the weakest in the league, and its a passing league, so go figure our offense stinks.
Losing Lawler will sting until we find a bonafide star WR. Wheatfall is decent, but he's a far cry from Kenny.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2025, 06:01:16 PMThat still doesn't change the fact our receivers are not a top level group.
They absolutely would be if you put 2025 Vernon Adams behind centre.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 22, 2025, 06:53:06 PMThey absolutely would be if you put 2025 Vernon Adams behind centre.
I don't think so. Not even close.
Rhymes, Jones, Alford & Philpot.
On IR: Begelton, and Henry.
Bombers Wheatfall, Sterns, Clercius and Case have a combined number of games played at 64. Demski at 141 = 200 games in total.
Our receivers are below average now, a little above average with Schoen imo.
Pass pro key
Run game critical
Quote from: dd on July 22, 2025, 06:10:10 PMTop level group??? They are arguably the weakest in the league, and its a passing league, so go figure our offense stinks.
Losing Lawler will sting until we find a bonafide star WR. Wheatfall is decent, but he's a far cry from Kenny.
Our offense doesn't stink, middle of the pack based on stats from what I can see
Stunk for 2 games, decent for 3
Our WR group was average to below average with Schoen. Worse now.
Montreal: Philpott, Mack, Snead, Rambo, Speaker
Hamilton: Lawler, White, Bridges, Smith, Bolo
Ottawa: Lewis, Hardy, Pimpleton, White, Mardner
Saskatchewan: Emilis, Jones, Meyers, KSB, Busby
BC: Hatcher, McInnis, Berryhill, Cotty, Eberhardt
Calgary: Alford, Rhymes, Begelton, Philpott, Barnes
I'd say the above six are all better than us with Schoen.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 22, 2025, 06:53:06 PMThey absolutely would be if you put 2025 Vernon Adams behind centre.
With Hogan as his OC, yes...?
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2025, 06:59:48 PMI don't think so. Not even close.
Rhymes, Jones, Alford & Philpot.
On IR: Begelton, and Henry.
Bombers Wheatfall, Sterns, Clercius and Case have a combined number of games played at 64. Demski at 141 = 200 games in total.
In 2021, probably our most dominant season, our receivers were:
Rasheed Bailey
Nic Demski
Kenny Lawler
Darvin Adams (who missed most of the year)
Janarion Grant
Brendon O'Leary Orange
Drew Wolitarsky
Aside from Lawler that's an average group. Demski is about as good today as he was then.
Collaros balled out that year with that group. Put current Zach again with that group and he wouldn't. And I'm not trying to dogpile Collaros. I'm glad we've got him and he's the best option we have. But he's done very little on his own in a season and a half. He used to have magic feet like Vernon Adams now. Collaros can succeed when everything goes right. That's where he's at.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 22, 2025, 08:54:47 PMIn 2021, probably our most dominant season, our receivers were:
Rasheed Bailey
Nic Demski
Kenny Lawler
Darvin Adams (who missed most of the year)
Janarion Grant
Brendon O'Leary Orange
Drew Wolitarsky
Aside from Lawler that's an average group. Demski is about as good today as he was then.
Collaros balled out that year with that group. Put current Zach again with that group and he wouldn't. And I'm not trying to dogpile Collaros. I'm glad we've got him and he's the best option we have. But he's done very little on his own in a season and a half. He used to have magic feet like Vernon Adams now. Collaros can succeed when everything goes right. That's where he's at.
None of that suggests our receivers are not part of the problem. On a good day they might be average. Even with Adams I don't think that changes.
You might have a point that Adams or Rourke might have more success with our OL and Receivers than Collaros. OTOH, elusive QB's often get hit more and sustain more injuries when needing to scramble than a more drop back QB.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 05:07:16 PMHas anyone heard whether he will be healthy at any time soon? I haven't even heard whether he's running or close to practising yet.
He may have not beaten out Adams as the starter in TC but at some point we may need him due to injury.
IIRC he had some sort of knee injury and that potentially could be a season ending situation.
He is healthy enough to be a full participant at practice today.
He is allowed to practice as he's been on the 6 game injured list for 4 games now. (He started the season with 1 week on the 1 game injured list)
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2025, 09:06:20 PMNone of that suggests our receivers are not part of the problem. On a good day they might be average. Even with Adams I don't think that changes.
You might have a point that Adams or Rourke might have more success with our OL and Receivers than Collaros. OTOH, elusive QB's often get hit more and sustain more injuries when needing to scramble than a more drop back QB.
The hope was that Collaros could find a way to play a quick three step release game like a lot of great QBs did to extend their playing days (there were also a lot of great ones that couldn't, mind you).
I think Zach's going more Russell Wilson than Tom Brady.
Could we have better receivers? Probably. Would it make that much of a difference? It's not in the top 3. Elite offensive line play would help. 2021 Zach would help. Trevor Harris style release would help.
Failing that, we need significantly above average execution across the board on offense most plays. We can still win that way but it reduces the margin of error we previously enjoyed significantly. It also doesn't help at all that we're still paying Collaros like he can make plays all on his own 8 times a game.
To be clear also, he's taken us to five straight championships. We owe it to him to keep going with him until he can't. I don't think anyone has made any mistakes. I just think we're seeing the start of a decline of a great QB who sadly can't adapt his game enough to eke out 2-3 more years. The ride is coming to an end. Please exit on your left and ensure you collect all your belongings before leaving.
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 22, 2025, 09:10:51 PMHe is healthy enough to be a full participant at practice today.
He is allowed to practice as he's been on the 6 game injured list for 4 games now. (He started the season with 1 week on the 1 game injured list)
Ok, I didn't know the rule had been changed. However, this is game 6 so he's in week 5? After the 2nd Argo game he should be eligible to come of the 6 game IR. Whether he gets extended, moved to 1 game IR or to the AR is all TBD.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 22, 2025, 08:54:47 PMIn 2021, probably our most dominant season, our receivers were:
Rasheed Bailey
Nic Demski
Kenny Lawler
Darvin Adams (who missed most of the year)
Janarion Grant
Brendon O'Leary Orange
Drew Wolitarsky
Darvin was often voted the most "underrated player". He was no slouch. He had good rapport with Zach. Bailey was a baller on 2nd down and good blocker, and still a threat to score.
Ignore Grant/BOO, as they weren't starters. Everyone else on that list was a legit threat to score on any given down. And I don't mean if they lucked into being wide open, I mean we'd have TD plays drawn up for everyone and Zach would often spread the ball pretty evenly.
I know this as I've been playing fantasy a long time and WPG was usually a bad team to pick RECs from, even when we were beating everyone, because we spread the ball so evenly no one got worthwhile fantasy points. And when they did, you couldn't have guessed who it would be that week.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 22, 2025, 08:17:25 PMWith Hogan as his OC, yes...?
Say what you want about Hogan but they said on the game tonight that WPG has the best redzone production. I think it was 76% TD hit rate.
That's astounding considering last season we couldn't get into the EZ if our life depended on it until like labor day! A whack ton of that is scheme by our OC(s!), as it certainly isn't our REC corps talent! ;)
Quote from: RebusRankin on July 22, 2025, 08:11:18 PMOur WR group was average to below average with Schoen. Worse now.
Montreal: Philpott, Mack, Snead, Rambo, Speaker
Hamilton: Lawler, White, Bridges, Smith, Bolo
Ottawa: Lewis, Hardy, Pimpleton, White, Mardner
Saskatchewan: Emilis, Jones, Meyers, KSB, Busby
BC: Hatcher, McInnis, Berryhill, Cotty, Eberhardt
Calgary: Alford, Rhymes, Begelton, Philpott, Barnes
I'd say the above six are all better than us with Schoen.
I still think SSK is weaker. What a garbage group. Only KSB is any good. I doubt the other guys are there 2 season from now.
SSK is winning on scheme and the fast-ball/accuracy talent of T.Harris alone.
OTT & BC are pretty weak too, but at least they have 1-2 "top-5" type guys each. Without Schoen we have no one scaring no one.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 22, 2025, 06:53:06 PMThey absolutely would be if you put 2025 Vernon Adams behind centre.
No
Our problem is mainly OL, followed by REC. If Zach had all day like VAJ does (before Coker being out) then Zach would be getting 350Y a game too.
Oh ya, and if we had a balanced run attack, unlike the mostly shut-down shambles we have now. Anyone see Mills ripping out multiple 10YAFC's tonight? ("Shut down the run, QB can't throw" ending notwithstanding.)
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2025, 06:01:16 PMThat still doesn't change the fact our receivers are not a top level group.
Schoen being able to play after another 6GIR stint would help. As would Pokey returning in late Sept. We'd be stout then, if Schoen can stay healthy.
The hopium is Schoen is just a minor strain, not another tear...
If we're missing both Schoen & Pokey come trade deadline, and OTT is still crap, then trade away whatever you have to to get Lewis from OTT for the playoff run. Home GC year, gotta do it.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 25, 2025, 07:21:52 AMSay what you want about Hogan but they said on the game tonight that WPG has the best redzone production. I think it was 76% TD hit rate.
That bolded part is all fine and good, but here's the rub: ya gotta get to the redzone first.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 25, 2025, 07:28:17 AMSchoen being able to play after another 6GIR stint would help. As would Pokey returning in late Sept. We'd be stout then, if Schoen can stay healthy.
The hopium is Schoen is just a minor strain, not another tear...
If we're missing both Schoen & Pokey come trade deadline, and OTT is still crap, then trade away whatever you have to to get Lewis from OTT for the playoff run. Home GC year, gotta do it.
It's tough to no whether Schoen will be back in 2025. I do think we'll see Wilson back in another month but he might sit out the year waiting to make an NFL PR list too.
Making a trade is not out of the question but how much will it help in 2025 if it's late late in the season?
Back to Woods. It looks like he could be ready to come off the 6 game IR after the 2nd Argo game. OTOH, they may just extend him for a few more games. I'm not entirely sure he's an upgrade to Adams but at the very least we need him available in case we have an injury.
I'm not dissing him, I just don't know who would have won the role on the AR if injury in TC didn't shelve him.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 25, 2025, 01:26:31 PMIt's tough to no whether Schoen will be back in 2025. I do think we'll see Wilson back in another month but he might sit out the year waiting to make an NFL PR list too.
Making a trade is not out of the question but how much will it help in 2025 if it's late late in the season?
Back to Woods. It looks like he could be ready to come off the 6 game IR after the 2nd Argo game. OTOH, they may just extend him for a few more games. I'm not entirely sure he's an upgrade to Adams but at the very least we need him available in case we have an injury.
We're not going to make a trade. If they think we have a receiver problem they're going to put in Dillon Mitchell because that's how we do things. But we don't have a receiver problem.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 25, 2025, 01:26:31 PMIt's tough to no whether Schoen will be back in 2025. I do think we'll see Wilson back in another month but he might sit out the year waiting to make an NFL PR list too.
Making a trade is not out of the question but how much will it help in 2025 if it's late late in the season?
Back to Woods. It looks like he could be ready to come off the 6 game IR after the 2nd Argo game. OTOH, they may just extend him for a few more games. I'm not entirely sure he's an upgrade to Adams but at the very least we need him available in case we have an injury.
I'm not dissing him, I just don't know who would have won the role on the AR if injury in TC didn't shelve him.
I'm hoping we'll get Woods on the DL as an alternative to Ayers.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 25, 2025, 01:11:13 PMThat bolded part is all fine and good, but here's the rub: ya gotta get to the redzone first.
It's a slightly misleading stat. We'd have to consider total offence yardage and how many big strike TD's teams have. Bombers have had some but other teams may have more " big " plays?
Overall we've dropped down the list of total points scored. In the west we might be 3rd at the moment?
Quote from: Jesse on July 25, 2025, 01:32:24 PMI'm hoping we'll get Woods on the DL as an alternative to Ayers.
I wouldn't be opposed to that change but I'm not sure O'Shea would make it. Ayers is very good on ST's and O'Shea loves his ST players. Many are questioning why J. Jones hasn't replace him.
It depends on how the ratio works out for a given week. Person could be the one getting bumped at DE for depth at DT if Woods was ready. Timing will come into it as well. Person could have a breakout game over the next couple of weeks or he could be headed back to the PR.
I mentioned earlier that I wasn't sure whether we'd go to a 3 import OL if and when Bryant was healthy. That's another ratio change.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 25, 2025, 01:30:29 PMWe're not going to make a trade. If they think we have a receiver problem they're going to put in Dillon Mitchell because that's how we do things. But we don't have a receiver problem.
Probably not but we seem bent on not putting Mitchell in. I'd argue we do have a receiver issue with Schoen out.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 25, 2025, 07:28:17 AMSchoen being able to play after another 6GIR stint would help. As would Pokey returning in late Sept. We'd be stout then, if Schoen can stay healthy.
The hopium is Schoen is just a minor strain, not another tear...
If we're missing both Schoen & Pokey come trade deadline, and OTT is still crap, then trade away whatever you have to to get Lewis from OTT for the playoff run. Home GC year, gotta do it.
While I'd have to agree our current WR group is below average, getting Schoen back healthy and Wilson automatically propels it to near top:
Wilson/Schoen/Demski/Wheaty/Clercius That's a helluva group.
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 25, 2025, 01:40:30 PMWhile I'd have to agree our current WR group is below average, getting Schoen back healthy and Wilson automatically propels it to near top:
Wilson/Schoen/Demski/Wheaty/Clercius That's a helluva group.
Two pretty big ifs in there, IMO.
That's a great hypothetical group, though.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 25, 2025, 01:39:33 PMProbably not but we seem bent on not putting Mitchell in. I'd argue we do have a receiver issue with Schoen out.
I guess we'll see. I'm not saying we are stacked with receiving talent but I don't think the group is any worse than 2021. Dalton averaged 49 receiving yards a game this year. The name was scarier than the output.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 25, 2025, 01:50:26 PMI guess we'll see. I'm not saying we are stacked with receiving talent but I don't think the group is any worse than 2021. Dalton averaged 49 receiving yards a game this year. The name was scarier than the output.
Maybe but our OL is not as good and our QB is another year older. This group of receivers are not as good at blocking as in previous years. It's the sum of parts across the roster on offence.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 25, 2025, 02:07:39 PMMaybe but our OL is not as good and our QB is another year older. This group of receivers are not as good at blocking as in previous years. It's the sum of parts across the roster on offence.
and defence - last gasp effort to get to the elusive and coveted home grey cup game.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 25, 2025, 02:44:06 PMand defence - last gasp effort to get to the elusive and coveted home grey cup game.
For sure. And the way we do things you're more obligated to stick with guys right to the end. We ask that players (even former starters from elsewhere) sit, watch and listen. Part of it is ego check. Part of it is process. Part of it is learning the Bombers way. But the carrot there is once you're in, you're in. And while it may sometimes cause us to hold on to a guy a bit too long, the benefits of doing it that way are far greater overall. After all, you won't keep a locker room if you make guys grind through a process, do the ego check and all of that and then bail on at the first sign of trouble. Pros and cons but no one can say it hasn't been effective.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 25, 2025, 01:36:00 PMI wouldn't be opposed to that change but I'm not sure O'Shea would make it. Ayers is very good on ST's and O'Shea loves his ST players. Many are questioning why J. Jones hasn't replace him.
It depends on how the ratio works out for a given week. Person could be the one getting bumped at DE for depth at DT if Woods was ready. Timing will come into it as well. Person could have a breakout game over the next couple of weeks or he could be headed back to the PR.
I mentioned earlier that I wasn't sure whether we'd go to a 3 import OL if and when Bryant was healthy. That's another ratio change.
Another route they could take to improving the D-line, drop Kornelson and add global DE Bailey, one for one. Not sure what purpose the 3rd Natl. DT is serving other than providing them with 4 DT's.
Kornelson, is a good example of having to defer to the coaching staff's judgment, he doesn't get many reps. so it's difficult to judge his play, but in his short time here it appears he's already surpassed Schmeck's previous 2 years of experience. Always safer to trust the coach's knowledge than claim he's a waste of a roster spot from a fan's distant perspective.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 25, 2025, 07:23:50 AMI still think SSK is weaker. What a garbage group. Only KSB is any good. I doubt the other guys are there 2 season from now.
SSK is winning on scheme and the fast-ball/accuracy talent of T.Harris alone.
OTT & BC are pretty weak too, but at least they have 1-2 "top-5" type guys each. Without Schoen we have no one scaring no one.
You're seriously wrong about the Sask. receivers, that is a very good group. KeeSean Johnson and Meyers are currently in the top 10 in receiving yards, and also 2 reason Sterns got cut. Emilus and KSB are all-star level when healthy and are great at picking up YAC. Oh yeah, that list failed to mention rookie Joe Robustelli, who could be the next Dalton Schoen.
Meyers is the real deal and has had some good games so far. The Riders are quietly going about their business and sit atop the West. They will be at their villainous best this year trying to foil our Grey Cup appearance. I think the road to the Grey Cup will go through Regina this year.
Quote from: dd on July 25, 2025, 06:23:10 PMMeyers is the real deal and has had some good games so far. The Riders are quietly going about their business and sit atop the West. They will be at their villainous best this year trying to foil our Grey Cup appearance. I think the road to the Grey Cup will go through Regina this year.
It's not even August yet. Weren't the Riders atop the west at this time last year?
Plenty of football left to go.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 25, 2025, 06:30:03 PMIt's not even August yet. Weren't the Riders atop the west at this time last year?
Plenty of football left to go.
For sure, then Harris got hurt. Same could happen this year, especially seeing how everyones #1 Qb seems to be getting hurt except BLM
Quote from: dd on July 25, 2025, 06:33:15 PMFor sure, then Harris got hurt. Same could happen this year, especially seeing how everyones #1 Qb seems to be getting hurt except BLM
Yep, eventually Harris will get hurt, so don't pre-book a room in Regina....ever. The Stamps, the Argos, the Als and the Bombers are all capable of soundly beating the Riders IMO.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 25, 2025, 04:17:07 PMYou're seriously wrong about the Sask. receivers, that is a very good group. KeeSean Johnson and Meyers are currently in the top 10 in receiving yards, and also 2 reason Sterns got cut. Emilus and KSB are all-star level when healthy and are great at picking up YAC. Oh yeah, that list failed to mention rookie Joe Robustelli, who could be the next Dalton Schoen.
They are all looking good because of very good OL protection for short-game-slinger Harris. And as TSN always says, they have the most accurate QB.
Emilus has been bleh since coming back, with really only this last game being any good. Busby is just another NAT.
Robustelli is looking good for a rookie, but again, how much of that is OL & scheme?
Look at it another way, if you put all of those RECs on our team vs TOR last night, I bet we get the same L outcome... KSB couldn't win it all by himself.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 27, 2025, 10:18:22 AMThey are all looking good because of very good OL protection for short-game-slinger Harris. And as TSN always says, they have the most accurate QB.
Emilus has been bleh since coming back, with really only this last game being any good. Busby is just another NAT.
Robustelli is looking good for a rookie, but again, how much of that is OL & scheme?
Re-watching the Rider/Lion game, Emilus went 6 for 6 113 yds. 1 TD 41 YAC 18.8 avg. 43 longest. That is an outstanding game.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 28, 2025, 04:13:07 AMRe-watching the Rider/Lion game, Emilus went 6 for 6 113 yds. 1 TD 41 YAC 18.8 avg. 43 longest. That is an outstanding game.
My point is, that's the only one he's had like that since returning from injury last season (I think).
Wheatie had an even better game than that a few weeks ago. Does that mean he's better than Emilus? Kenny got like 10Y in the entire HAM game and K.Smith got 14/15 138Y 2TD, so he's better than Kenny?
My point is none of those SSK players are killing it week after week. Sure, the odd one gets a great game once in a blue moon (like Meyer the other week). But as a whole they don't scare me.