More catching up to do. Saskatchewan is hurting in some key position and this past week lost Jamarcus Hardrick for the long term.
Blue Bombers Injury List is looking a bit better with the July 17th report as follows...
Noah Hallet - Hip - Full Practice - Questionable
Tyjaun Garbutt - Ankle - Full Practice - Questionable
Lucky Ogbevoen - Shoulder - Did Not Practice - Questionable
Stanley Bryant - Hip - Full Practice - Questionable
Brian Cole - Illness - Full Practice - Available
Brady Oliviera - Shoulder - Full Practice - Questionable
Michael Chris-Ike - Knee - Did Not Practice - Questionable
Nick Demski - Knee - Full Practice - Available
Depth Chart will be released tomorrow.
Discussion can start today! Let's Go Bombers!
Lots of full practise players. I like it!
being in sask...bombers have not done well....so not expecting a win
Quote from: Go_Big_D on July 18, 2024, 01:18:24 AMbeing in sask...bombers have not done well....so not expecting a win
3-1 over the past three seasons.
Game Notes for CFL game 35 - Winnipeg @ Saskatchewan
Link: Game Notes & Stats (https://cfloffice.sharepoint.com/sites/CFLStats/Shared%20Documents/Forms/AllItems.aspx?id=%2Fsites%2FCFLStats%2FShared%20Documents%2FCFL%20Stats%2FCFL%202024%2F2024%20Game%20Notes%2F2024%20CFL%20Completed%20GN%20Sets%2F2024%20CFL%20Gm%20Notes%20%2335%20Ssk%20vs%20Wpg%2Epdf&parent=%2Fsites%2FCFLStats%2FShared%20Documents%2FCFL%20Stats%2FCFL%202024%2F2024%20Game%20Notes%2F2024%20CFL%20Completed%20GN%20Sets&p=true&ga=1)
Bombers can win this by a good ground attack and efficient passing game.
Stay away from the hawks in zone, and throw into man single-coverage (meaning: deep, probably). Careful with the wide-outs. Maybe have Woli swing inside a lot, or run other, clearing routes.
Fluster the (relatively) noob QB, he's not fast so hopefully he won't be pulling Codies on us with scrambles. Focus on Emlius, the other Rs have had a bad few weeks. Stop the guy-with-mullet and make the QB pass. Hawk the hot routes and wide outs. Willie might have a good day with knockdowns.
Get the green fans demoralized by the 4th and things will be fine.
Ed Tait's 48-Hour Primer...
...So... just another game?
Try telling that to receiver/returner Kody Case, who looks to be making his Winnipeg Blue Bombers debut this Friday in Regina against the Saskatchewan Roughriders in the first of three meetings between these two prairie arch-rivals.
Try telling that to a man who signed with the Blue Bombers in January after playing in the preseason last year with the Indianapolis Colts, was then injured in Winnipeg's first dress rehearsal this year, subsequently released yet stayed in town to rehab his injury, was re-signed and after slogging through all that is finally getting a shot.
"It's been awhile since I've been on an active game (roster) in the regular season game that matters," Case said this week. "I was with the Colts in the preseason but haven't been activated for a professional football game so this would be a great experience. If it happens, it happens. I'm excited....
https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/07/17/48-hour-primer-wpg-at-sask/
Quote from: ModAdmin on July 18, 2024, 05:02:53 AMEd Tait's 48-Hour Primer...
...So... just another game?
Try telling that to receiver/returner Kody Case, who looks to be making his Winnipeg Blue Bombers debut this Friday in Regina against the Saskatchewan Roughriders in the first of three meetings between these two prairie arch-rivals.
Try telling that to a man who signed with the Blue Bombers in January after playing in the preseason last year with the Indianapolis Colts, was then injured in Winnipeg's first dress rehearsal this year, subsequently released yet stayed in town to rehab his injury, was re-signed and after slogging through all that is finally getting a shot.
"It's been awhile since I've been on an active game (roster) in the regular season game that matters," Case said this week. "I was with the Colts in the preseason but haven't been activated for a professional football game so this would be a great experience. If it happens, it happens. I'm excited....
https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/07/17/48-hour-primer-wpg-at-sask/
It would be interesting to know the financial compensation provided to a player injured as part of the team and subsequently cut but told to hang around as he rehabs. for another shot later. On the surface it doesn't look fair, but does the CFL offer financial assistance to players in these circumstances?
WPG is the favorite by 3 last I heard. That's a bit surprising given the 2 records, and the fact SSK is always strong at home, especially against us (strong as in they try harder, not necessarily win more).
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 18, 2024, 08:47:20 AMWPG is the favorite by 3 last I heard. That's a bit surprising given the 2 records, and the fact SSK is always strong at home, especially against us (strong as in they try harder, not necessarily win more).
Riders were initially favoured by 1.5. This has now switched to Bombers by 4.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 18, 2024, 05:26:56 AMIt would be interesting to know the financial compensation provided to a player injured as part of the team and subsequently cut but told to hang around as he rehabs. for another shot later. On the surface it doesn't look fair, but does the CFL offer financial assistance to players in these circumstances?
I don't think they can pay a per diem if he's not on the IR or PR, but I am pretty sure they are allowed to cover his rehab costs, which I am pretty sure would not be covered if he had returned home. Like anyone coming to camp to try to win a spot, they are on their own dime.
The WFC could have told him to stay put and that he'd be rostered once healthy, so he would have that to look forward to, and living in Winnipeg can be very cheap. So it makes sense even if he's not getting paid to hang around.
And now it pays off with at least one full game cheque.
Blue Bomber Depth Chart...
https://x.com/DarrinBauming/status/1813940094551920640/photo/2
In: #2 Case, #9 Garbutt, #23 Hallett, #33 Jones
Out: #0 Mitchell, #25 Chris-Ike, #26 Smith, #43 Ogbevoen
Looks like the roster has been upgraded with each of those moves. Want to see if it translates on the field.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSxo5rXWIAAFl6b?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSxo5rSXYAA2xWj?format=jpg&name=large)
Taylor Shire @Taylor_Shire
#Riders depth chart vs #Bombers:
Malik Carney back at defensive end after missing a week. Anthony Lanier stays at other DE.
Jacob Brammer starts at RT with Jermarcus Hardrick on 6-game IL.
FB Bruno LaBelle has also been put on 6-game.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSyEYglb0AA_dpT?format=jpg&name=large)
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 18, 2024, 04:23:47 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSxo5rXWIAAFl6b?format=jpg&name=large)
With Case, Garbutt, Hallett, and Jones coming in this week, this team just became a little better.
Only 10 NATS starting this week...
No DN, DA or DNA specified. Guess with 10 starting NATS, that's redundant. We will be getting an extra draft pick again.
Looking forward to a good game as the team continues to improve week to week. Just a side note that I will be interested to see what the new faces on the roster are able to show this week.
It would be a lot to expect an amazing 1st game by these players, but you never know. I'll be relatively happy if none make any major mistakes this week.
Will Garbutt get a sack. Will Hallett, Case and Jones make a big play on ST's?
Bombers win and hold the Riders to 17 points or less. Collaros throws 2 TD's. Streveler scores a short yardage TD. Oliveria scores 1 TD. Castillo scores two FG's.
Why is there (62) beside Thomas's name?? His number is 95, is he also going to be a backup O lineman/brought in as a TE??
Quote from: dd on July 18, 2024, 05:56:26 PMWhy is there (62) beside Thomas's name?? His number is 95, is he also going to be a backup O lineman/brought in as a TE??
It's just the number he would wear if he is was needed in an emergency on offence. We've got 7 OL dressed and a FB so it's not likely he'll be used on offence.
The Roughriders have 2 D-Line players listed with double numbers. Due to injuries in the game against BC, Brown 90/69 slipped on the #69 and finished the game at RG.
Gotta win 2/3 vs riders and this is one of them
GO BLUE
Big hopes for the fresh troops.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 18, 2024, 03:40:58 PMI don't think they can pay a per diem if he's not on the IR or PR, but I am pretty sure they are allowed to cover his rehab costs, which I am pretty sure would not be covered if he had returned home. Like anyone coming to camp to try to win a spot, they are on their own dime.
The WFC could have told him to stay put and that he'd be rostered once healthy, so he would have that to look forward to, and living in Winnipeg can be very cheap. So it makes sense even if he's not getting paid to hang around.
And now it pays off with at least one full game cheque.
Maybe, I doubt players are coming to TC on their own dime, many would not have the funds to swing that. I'd guess their travel there and back is covered, free accomodation in the dorms as well as a tag to eat all meals in the bomber cafeteria if they choose to.
Quote from: dd on July 18, 2024, 05:56:26 PMWhy is there (62) beside Thomas's name?? His number is 95, is he also going to be a backup O lineman/brought in as a TE??
The league started mandating that before '23 I think? Before that it was never listed on charts; after that it was suddenly on every chart, including our own deficient ones!
But it was already allowed to have a DT come in as a hoggie in a pinch. I like it being formalized like this. Just wish WFC would put all the other designations on their chart...
Interesting... Noah slides in an gets the "N", whilst Nick "The Uninjured Hallett" has to do the "Ni"? Bass ackwards! Need to go back to one being No, one being Ni.
Pretty cool seeing both brothers listed back to back on the chart at the same position. How often does that happen in the CFL? However, this means they are unlikely to both be on the field at the same time... well, except ST plays.
Noah better make hay while the sun shines. His window is now very small.
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 18, 2024, 04:24:22 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSxo5rSXYAA2xWj?format=jpg&name=large)
Chris-Ike and Lucky O to the 6 game?? Here we thought we got out of the Calgary game with no significant injuries.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 19, 2024, 03:17:17 AMChris-Ike and Lucky O to the 6 game?? Here we thought we got out of the Calgary game with no significant injuries.
Not to diminish potential up & coming players, but ya those are not significant. I'll take a 2nd game DP and 1st game GLOB going to 6GIR over Kenny & Schoen going to 6GIR any day of the week!
What has Kenny really proven though in his time in the CFL? That he is injury prone and waits until training camp begins to deal with his legal troubles? What are they TRULY paying him for after such a track record? He was once the top paid receiver in the CFL and now probably still top 5-7? Only 1 great season and his bursting on the scene in his rookie year helping Bombers to win 2 cups. Might be WAY over rated after that.
Sure when fully healthy and available he can do some circus catches, but if you miss almost half the year for the 3rd year in a row that does not compute! ;) Maybe just sit him out half the year and bring him in for the second half and playoffs at that rate?! ;) Give me justification for his big contract and maybe you will convince me differently. Yeah show me what you have done lately and not 3-4 years ago. I do value loyalty to someone who helped you win championships, but that only can go on for so long. The Bombers are not a charity organization. One reason I dislike guaranteed pro sports contracts as some players just coast after signing the big one. HAPPENS ALL THE TIME! :(
Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 19, 2024, 05:50:13 AMWhat has Kenny really proven though in his time in the CFL?
Yikes! That definitely should be its own thread... that convo is going to take over this GDT!
I don't fully disagree with you, but I think I'm a little more optimistic than you. I'm sure Kenny knows he has to start proving his worth. He talks a huge game (he says he's the absolute best in CFL), but the stats aren't backing it up since he went to EDM. Yada yada pro-rated full-year yada yada -- ya, until he plays the full year it's just guessing and projecting.
He'll need to start producing, and fast. And he says he won't change his style... I think he should change the style that has him running his lithe bones into big D helmets! Ask Willie J what availability is worth...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 19, 2024, 07:59:26 AMYikes! That definitely should be its own thread... that convo is going to take over this GDT!
I don't fully disagree with you, but I think I'm a little more optimistic than you. I'm sure Kenny knows he has to start proving his worth. He talks a huge game (he says he's the absolute best in CFL), but the stats aren't backing it up since he went to EDM. Yada yada pro-rated full-year yada yada -- ya, until he plays the full year it's just guessing and projecting.
He'll need to start producing, and fast. And he says he won't change his style... I think he should change the style that has him running his lithe bones into big D helmets! Ask Willie J what availability is worth...
Hey I'm not knocking Kenny as a person as I don't even know him at all personally. I just see what is or what is not on the field. I'm not afraid to ask the questions others may shy away from. I don't wear rose coloured glasses when evaluating a player. I'm not a shi_ disturber, but I Call it as I see it whether right or wrong in the end. JUST MY OPINION! ;) I'm sure he realizes he has to start putting up or shutting up like anyone else with a realistic view of the situation.
Hey I'm all for optimism and personally I am a very positive person about life and living! :) So I hope it works out for him, but pro sports is harsh in that way often. Especially with very few guaranteed contracts in the CFL. You get too many bad breaks and you are toast.
Trash Talk can be a motivator, but in the end you have to back it up. It means ZIP if you can't back it up. Now Lawler alone cannot determine if he will get the ball and so on as it's a team sport, but it's the same for all players. When you DO get your chances you have to show up. The higher your pay cheque, the bigger the expectations.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 19, 2024, 05:50:13 AMWhat has Kenny really proven though in his time in the CFL? That he is injury prone and waits until training camp begins to deal with his legal troubles? What are they TRULY paying him for after such a track record? He was once the top paid receiver in the CFL and now probably still top 5-7? Only 1 great season and his bursting on the scene in his rookie year helping Bombers to win 2 cups. Might be WAY over rated after that.
Sure when fully healthy and available he can do some circus catches, but if you miss almost half the year for the 3rd year in a row that does not compute! ;) Maybe just sit him out half the year and bring him in for the second half and playoffs at that rate?! ;) Give me justification for his big contract and maybe you will convince me differently. Yeah show me what you have done lately and not 3-4 years ago. I do value loyalty to someone who helped you win championships, but that only can go on for so long. The Bombers are not a charity organization. One reason I dislike guaranteed pro sports contracts as some players just coast after signing the big one. HAPPENS ALL THE TIME! :(
I was starting to say this last year. I was thinking we should let Kenny go if it meant losing Schoen. Then he breaks his arm and secures another season he wont play the whole season.
His career highs are 1014 yards and 6 TDs.
Both the Bombers and him as a player need him to absolutely light it up when he comes back.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 19, 2024, 07:59:26 AMYikes! That definitely should be its own thread... that convo is going to take over this GDT!
I don't fully disagree with you, but I think I'm a little more optimistic than you. I'm sure Kenny knows he has to start proving his worth. He talks a huge game (he says he's the absolute best in CFL), but the stats aren't backing it up since he went to EDM. Yada yada pro-rated full-year yada yada -- ya, until he plays the full year it's just guessing and projecting.
He'll need to start producing, and fast. And he says he won't change his style... I think he should change the style that has him running his lithe bones into big D helmets! Ask Willie J what availability is worth...
Dalton doesn't do circus catches and I think they're over-rated, I'll take good YAC yards anyday over possession on the ground. A receiver that can catch almost any jump ball thrown becomes a crutch for his QB to rely on, making bad decisions inevitable. Plus the receiver often slams into the turf or lands on his head making these receptions causing more bodily injury. We'll see if Zach ends up putting Ontaria Wilson on the IR with over reliance before Lawler returns as both receivers look similarly frail.
For any Bomber fans going to the game tonight:
Party in the Park kicks off at 4:30 pm with $5 beers available until 30 minutes before kickoff!
Gates Open - 6:00 PM | Kickoff - 7:30 PM
Tony Jones some college highlights
https://youtu.be/5OYNE5BIJtw?si=LMIOJoqqXqq8WMfU
Quote from: markf on July 19, 2024, 05:12:01 PMTony Jones some college highlights
https://youtu.be/5OYNE5BIJtw?si=LMIOJoqqXqq8WMfU
Nice highlight package!
Seems to have played a lot of DE but drops back into coverage at times too. Don't really see him as SAM or WIL because of his speed and size, but he would be a punishing MLB or blitzing LB it seems. (maybe Biggie future replacement??)
Quote from: LXTSN on July 19, 2024, 06:00:42 PMNice highlight package!
Seems to have played a lot of DE but drops back into coverage at times too. Don't really see him as SAM or WIL because of his speed and size, but he would be a punishing MLB or blitzing LB it seems. (maybe Biggie future replacement??)
He is on the DC as MLB#3...
Quote from: markf on July 19, 2024, 05:12:01 PMTony Jones some college highlights
https://youtu.be/5OYNE5BIJtw?si=LMIOJoqqXqq8WMfU
Quote from: LXTSN on July 19, 2024, 06:00:42 PMNice highlight package!
Seems to have played a lot of DE but drops back into coverage at times too. Don't really see him as SAM or WIL because of his speed and size, but he would be a punishing MLB or blitzing LB it seems. (maybe Biggie future replacement??)
Good size for a MLB, but doubt he'll play much more than ST today. I'd rather judge him on his Elks highlights if he had any, over whatever he did in college.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 19, 2024, 06:13:43 PMGood size for a MLB, but doubt he'll play much more than ST today. I'd rather judge him on his Elks highlights if he had any, over whatever he did in college.
Jones had 41 DTs, and 11 STs, with EE last season. Played in all 18 games, but only started in 8 or 9 games. From what I see at practice he has good speed and gets to the ball quickly. Happy to see him finally getting some playing time.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 19, 2024, 06:09:02 PMHe is on the DC as MLB#3...
Did you think he would start??
Quote from: LXTSN on July 19, 2024, 07:23:33 PMDid you think he would start??
No, you were mentioning DE, Sam and Wil, so I was just pointing out that he's listed as a Mike on our DC.
Overall, I feel good about this. If the Riders were healthy, I don't think we've hit our full stride yet and I would think they would be favoured. But they're riddled, including not having their starting QB, and we are trending up, so I expect to win tonight and get closer to .500.
Hoping to see even better play than last week, because, as I said, I think we can still be so much better. Man would I ever love to mop the floor with them tonight, but am not expecting it. Until the back-to-back weeks, that is ;)
Hoping for a star performance from Brady + some dimes in the end zone from Zach. Would love to see big pressure from the front 7 and notice Garbutt. Last week our secondary were ball hawks. Do we see that again?!
LFG.
Kenny is worth every penny
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 19, 2024, 10:34:38 PMKenny is worth every penny
There is zero rational argument you could make for this.
Quote from: LXTSN on July 19, 2024, 06:00:42 PMNice highlight package!
Seems to have played a lot of DE but drops back into coverage at times too. Don't really see him as SAM or WIL because of his speed and size, but he would be a punishing MLB or blitzing LB it seems. (maybe Biggie future replacement??)
He's a 29 year old coming off the PR to play special teams. He is a veteran depth piece, not a future anything.
It turned out I had a kid recital to go to in the afternoon, so I couldn't possibly make it to Regina in time, so I'm watching with y'all at home.
I've found over the years that if it's a Mosaic game that I want to go to but can't, we usually win in spectacular fashion (Murphy's law).
One big ask here: don't mention the result of the OTT/EDM game in this thread! I'll finish the last 30 mins of it after the WPG game.
Injuries just deadly this year. WTH?
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 01:34:05 AMInjuries just deadly this year. WTH?
Did I miss something new? I just switched over to this game
Spidercam: yay!
Obsidian jerseys: meh
Crowd: looks ok, but I was hearing 23k numbers, which isn't pretty lame for SSKvWPG!
SSK wants to be physical, let's show them physical
Receivers looking good
Turns out scouts did a good job
That hit and elimination of Clercius made Johnson do a doubletake on that pass.
I hope our D hits them in the mouth just as hard. It's going to be one of those games. They asked for it!
Quote from: Jesse on July 20, 2024, 12:03:18 AMThere is zero rational argument you could make for this.
Looks like somebody found Ard's Blue Kool-Aid still.
We need a strong start. Can't let them get a couple of early scores on us.
That's a good sign that Willie can run as fast as Patterson.
Suits called Yoshi: "Oshi". LOL. Thinking too much of MOS?
KSB has been weak all season, horribly bad for fantasy. Strange, because pre-injury last year he was always a great fantasy pick. SSK has virtually no capable WR, and no QB.
Quote from: Jesse on July 20, 2024, 12:03:18 AMThere is zero rational argument you could make for this.
Yeah Kenny sucks cut him when he comes back from injury. There is zero rational argument to say he isn't worth his salary.
Facts are presented below:
YEAR TEAM GP REC ATT YDS YAC TD AVG LG
2019
WPG 16 43 63 637 175 4 14.8 54
2021
WPG 13 64 94 1014 174 6 15.8 47
2022
EDM 12 58 93 894 199 5 15.4 54
2023
WPG 12 50 82 901 247 6 18.0 64
2024
WPG 1 3 5 26 18 0 8.7 9
Total
54 218 337 3472 813 21 15.9 64
I hate 1000 yard receiver, game changers, circus catcher, deep threats. He got hurt early. Can still have a big year. Story isn't over yet.
That was weak holding on Ko-man. Usually not called. Doesn't matter anyhow, but interesting to note how Proulx's Group is going to call this one.
At least they're picking up on the always-cheating SSK ST.
How do I watch the game from the U.S.
Quote from: Jesse on July 20, 2024, 12:03:18 AMThere is zero rational argument you could make for this.
Yeah Kenny sucks cut him when he comes back from injury. There is zero rational argument to say he isn't worth his salary.
Facts are presented below:
YEAR TEAM GP REC ATT YDS YAC TD AVG LG
2019
WPG 16 43 63 637 175 4 14.8 54
2021
WPG 13 64 94 1014 174 6 15.8 47
2022
EDM 12 58 93 894 199 5 15.4 54
2023
WPG 12 50 82 901 247 6 18.0 64
2024
WPG 1 3 5 26 18 0 8.7 9
Total
54 218 337 3472 813 21 15.9 64
I hate 1000 yard receiver, game changers, circus catcher, deep threats. He got hurt early. Can still have a big year. Story isn't over yet. Just because you closed the book doesn't mean others can't have a happy ending.
Quote from: 55StickCar on July 20, 2024, 01:52:06 AMHow do I watch the game from the U.S.
CFL+? You need to pay though
Rats. Gonna have to listen on here then. And just keep checking on cfl scores.
We're having trouble tackling. Trying to go high on these guys isn't working. Take out the legs.
I like Biggie dishing out a whack. He's the only one matching physicality so far.
NOOOOOOOOO! Don't challenge!! There is no visible evidence and the bodies are blocking it out!! You need to prove possession!
ARGH losing our challenge in Q1 is baaaaaaad in Mosaic.
ARGH! MOS is right but if you can't see it on the cams, you can't win.
I really should be up in the booth.
Refs will ream us a new one now.
Zach underthrew it again. Needs to throw the deep ball sooner, since his arm can't make the distance.
Not getting anything on 1st down: causes us to suck on O. Looks like we're in for a tough night. The key is to just keep our O on the field longer and not turn it over. I don't think SSK O will do much of anything.
Kramdi beast
So far we're stopping Mr. Mullet-man. Great job for the D. So far. Keep it up. Make the weak QB throw.
Boy this thread is sure quiet for an away game. Everyone still watching the lame EDM game?
Case went wrong way but has zip
Need to start moving the ball. Need some lengthy drives. First down Brady isn't working very well. C'mon Buck, take advantage!!
We won't win this game if we don't start opening this up.
That Brady dump was great, able to get within Strev range when he should have been short. We used to outlet to Harris all the time and have gone away from that. Always have the outlet.
Zach with a "ride and wrong-decision".
Very physical game.
Wow! Castillo!
Money on the 3s
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 02:17:41 AMVery physical game.
They're winning the big-whack battle though.
SSK definitely playing with that little extra speed though that comes from playing WPG @Mosaic.
Suitor is such a homer. Can't stand listening to him.
Does Zach have a new, bigger helmet this week? I don't recall his being as big as the Dru brown dome-head one.
Wilson stuffs the run nicely
Massive uncalled holding by Sask OL.
I think the riders are holding us on at least 95% of every single offensive snap!!!! Holy mother
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 02:23:24 AMMassive uncalled holding by Sask OL.
Always is. The King of Holds. Pretty funny after calling Ko-man on the 1st series.
Awful & boring game so far. Both teams missing 2+ huge chess pieces. At least I get to enjoy Brit!
Good thing I picked zero Bombers & Riders in fantasy!!
Good to see Clercius back after having his knees destroyed earlier.
Clercius is going to be a good one.
No 75 yard FG attempt? C'mon, Serge can do it!! :D
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2024, 01:52:50 AMYeah Kenny sucks cut him when he comes back from injury. There is zero rational argument to say he isn't worth his salary.
Facts are presented below:
YEAR TEAM GP REC ATT YDS YAC TD AVG LG
2019
WPG 16 43 63 637 175 4 14.8 54
2021
WPG 13 64 94 1014 174 6 15.8 47
2022
EDM 12 58 93 894 199 5 15.4 54
2023
WPG 12 50 82 901 247 6 18.0 64
2024
WPG 1 3 5 26 18 0 8.7 9
Total
54 218 337 3472 813 21 15.9 64
I hate 1000 yard receiver, game changers, circus catcher, deep threats. He got hurt early. Can still have a big year. Story isn't over yet. Just because you closed the book doesn't mean others can't have a happy ending.
He's been the highest paid receiver in the league for the last three years and hasn't once hit 1000 yards in that time. I hope he comes back strong this year, but hasn't once been worth the money since his rookie contract.
Sask holding and PI not called. I know I said not to expect any help from the officials but holy smokes this is egregious.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 01:53:10 AMCFL+? You need to pay though
Not sure why but am able to watch it on CFL+. Just needed my name and email.
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 02:30:27 AMSask holding and PI not called. I know I said not to expect any help from the officials but holy smokes this is egregious.
You waste your challenge on unwinnable in 1st, refs will eat you alive.
KSB needs to come out for concussion protocol. Eyes closed, shaking head.
Haha, SSK holds and they flag WPG instead! D Holding is virtually unheard of.
Wow. Prouxl nickel-diming us with BS calls after letting Sask away with murder.
Flag on Wilson was bunk
Haha that "hold" was ridiculous. Refs want to make SSK fans happy at home.
Now we finally let Mr. Mullet get a decent run. That's ok as long as that's the only one.
O'shea needs to tune these officials in. This is disgusting.
Holding on us?
Holding on them 7-8 times so far!
Proulx and crew are terrible
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 02:33:41 AMWow. Prouxl nickel-diming us with BS calls after letting Sask away with murder.
To not call holding all game and then make that ticky tacky call on defensive holding is something else.
Quote from: Jesse on July 20, 2024, 02:29:21 AMHe's been the highest paid receiver in the league for the last three years and hasn't once hit 1000 yards in that time. I hope he comes back strong this year, but hasn't once been worth the money since his rookie contract.
Yeah those cup wins and his contributions meant nothing and a waste
Worth every penny
Officiating is going to ruin a good physical ball game. Just let them play.
Our DBs are doing a great job on the Rs so far. We're mostly containing the run. We are giving up short/mid stuff though. That's ok, let them dink & dunk.
We need to do something about ToP, I think we're losing 2 to 1 on ToP so far and that will kill us later. C'mon Buck!
Garbutt beast scouts did a good job
Our O is looking like the week 1 O again. Wasn't that game 6 pts at the half too?
Well, as long as SSK O can't do anything either, I guess it's a good gambit to be "safe". And Zach is being super safe.
Haha, refs feel hella guilty about robbing us on that DH call earlier.
Brady starting to feel it.
Collaros knee messed up from that scramble. Might be Strev time soon
That's a spear. That was exactly what they called in the OTT game on a receiver.
Pretty sure you can't push a zebra like that on purpose
Nice block ref! Way to go.
What's with all the extra curriculars with our plays defenseless on the ground? Got to call that crap.
Proulx! What?!??
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 02:47:17 AMProulx! What?!??
DH is basically a couple-a-season flag. Now we see it twice in 1 game!? They are bailing out SSK's horrible disaster play in their zone.
That was an INT they stole from us with no explanation by anyone. Just bush league.
We sure are having a hard time finding a returner this year.
Wow, whatta exciting 6-6 game! Not. This was billed as the huge game of the week! Hope y'all took the under!!
Case limping after that return. Maybe that's why he's slowed down his zip a little bit.
Quote from: bomb squad on July 20, 2024, 02:50:11 AMWe sure are having a hard time finding a returner this year.
I am not going to get over losing Grant for no reason. Terrible mistake that is costing us games.
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 02:50:04 AMThat was an INT they stole from us with no explanation by anyone. Just bush league.
Ya, that's 3 pts for sure to end the half, and they didn't show anything. They really should show that on the all-24 when they rob you like that. If they were reasonable they'd show it at halftime or at the start of the 3rd.
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 02:47:17 AMProulx! What?!??
I know you have never heard me say this but I HATE PROULX.
Maybe Proulx will give us the infamous "Procedure - Defense" call ("they made the offense move"). At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised! Maybe a phantom pyramiding too! A man can dream.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2024, 02:36:32 AMYeah those cup wins and his contributions meant nothing and a waste
Worth every penny
He wasn't the highest paid receiver during our cup wins.
He was totally worth the money at that time.
He has not once been worth money over the past three seasons.
The problem is, no Stegal, and Suitor is such a Rider homer he isn't going to say anything. That's okay, our team is going to develop an "Us against the world" mentality and show them who the better team is.
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 02:55:23 AMThe problem is, no Stegal, and Suitor is such a Rider homer he isn't going to say anything. That's okay, our team is going to develop an "Us against the world" mentality and show them who the better team is.
Totally agree. Ontario Wilson very quite tonight.
I don't think I've ever seen defensive holding twice in one game, let alone against one team.
The proulx factor is strong in this game. Never feel good when he's involved.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 20, 2024, 02:58:19 AMTotally agree. Ontario Wilson very quite tonight.
so is collaros
So how do we break this game open? Any tendencies we've noticed? So far from my perspective we've had bad execution and SSK making the extra inch plays. Good thing they suck! We might still win it.
Lapo completely butchering the Wally tribute.
I missed something - why is everyone talking about Wally Buono? Paul was talking about the shirt but thankfully he hasn't passed on!
What happened?
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 20, 2024, 03:02:19 AMI missed something - why is everyone talking about Wally Buono? Paul was talking about the shirt but thankfully he hasn't passed on!
Wally tribute weekend in CGY
Anyone catch the numbers of those 2 DH holds? I want to know who to blame, assuming they were "real".
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 03:03:08 AMWally tribute weekend in CGY
Thanks Tech - why is there a tribute for Wally in Calgary though? Any idea anyone?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 03:04:29 AMAnyone catch the numbers of those 2 DH holds? I want to know who to blame, assuming they were "real".
My daughter and wife said 9.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 03:01:31 AMSo how do we break this game open? Any tendencies we've noticed? So far from my perspective we've had bad execution and SSK making the extra inch plays. Good thing they suck! We might still win it.
Lapo completely butchering the Wally tribute.
A couple turnovers our way would be good.And a sack or 2. Maybe one causing a fumble.
36 looks hurt bad
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 20, 2024, 03:05:33 AMMy daughter and wife said 9.
Thanks! Garbutt, the new guy, which kinda makes sense. However, what the heck is a DE going out into the flat to hold guys for??
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 20, 2024, 03:04:49 AMThanks Tech - why is there a tribute for Wally in Calgary though? Any idea anyone?
Because he's their most winningest coach I think?
Wilson having a massive game.
#1d 19
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2024, 03:06:52 AM36 looks hurt bad
Ya, that's bad as now we have no other FB dressed. And this after I laughed at having 2 FB dressed last week! Will have to make it work with Eli and the jumbo.
Wilson is having a monster game. What an underrated quiet player.
Quote from: Jesse on July 20, 2024, 02:54:30 AMHe wasn't the highest paid receiver during our cup wins.
He was totally worth the money at that time.
He has not once been worth money over the past three seasons.
Agree to disagree splitting hairs
sask is forcing collaros to throw the ball
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 03:08:54 AMYa, that's bad as now we have no other FB dressed. And this after I laughed at having 2 FB dressed last week! Will have to make it work with Eli and the jumbo.
Wilson is having a monster game. What an underrated quiet player.
Wilson a top player, can't believe some we not sold on him at times
SSK putting Milligan on Pokey means they see him as the big threat. So why aren't we going to Demski then?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 03:11:28 AMSSK putting Milligan on Pokey means they see him as the big threat. So why aren't we going to Demski then?
Double teamed likely
collaros not having a good game so far.
longer throws are short, medium throws off target. last pass Was right to milligan.
Collaros looks slow on his reads, and his throws dont have the usual zip
good job bighill
Why not go with screens, play-action for short high percentage passes, and a steady diet of BO?
Great call on QB draw. No one expected that. Can't let SSK out-think us. Get your beanie on Buck!!
Anyone have ToP stat right now? Can't look good.
Our D getting tired.
Alexander is a passenger out there
patterson outperforming collaros
Kramdi late
The ol' TE sneak out. We're supposed to be doing that, not them! C'mon Buck!!
Well, them able to get a TD while we can't may spell game. 1.5Q's left for the O to not suck.
Holy crap. I could catch that being open like that.
Need a response here.
Peterson out playing Zach! BS
everybody is blaming buck...but have to wonder if collaros is up to the task anymore...he has been more hot and cold since last season more often than not
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 20, 2024, 03:17:47 AMHoly crap. I could catch that being open like that.
I would fall getting there be too excited lol
Game tracker says ToP is 22:18 to 14:59
that's not good at all and may cost us the game later
Quote from: Go_Big_D on July 20, 2024, 03:19:36 AMeverybody is blaming buck...but have to wonder if collaros is up to the task anymore...he has been more hot and cold since last season more often than not
It's all. Buck isn't being creative, Zach is underthrowing and getting flustered and has a bum knee, and the R's are whiffing (Pokey getting batted down a lot).
D is doing ok, but starting to run out of gas.
They are spearing us.
BO best back in league nuff said
Nice drive and mix on O
just a stupid throw
Zach brain fart x1000
Maybe it's time to Streveler them.
What the heck Zach, are you done?
Brutal brutal decision making. Peterson is making better decisions. Dumb founded.
so typical of colaros...makes a stupid pass no one else would ever think of making...not the first of many the past 2 seasons
We need a stop. Then a change of QB.
we\ve gonr away from the sideline quick throws this game, and why havent we gone to Johnson on quick crossing plathat worked earlier Just copy what riders are doing
Half way through the third 91 yds passing, no td, one int.
put in strev.
Zach is playing scared. Pierce is having Lapolitis.
colaors is the problem on offence
With points so stingy today, that turnover could be game. Of all the reads he could pick (I counted 3 on the scramble), he picked the double-covered obvious one. Woli wide open at the rail and a faaar easier (non-cross-body) pass.
Well, at least Buck has gone into "non-conservative" mode. So that is good. We can open up the book and try to get some O.
Zack makes another brutal pass/interception in the red zone. Just eat the ball or throw it away, don't turn it over!! Points come off the board. This is Elks style football
Quote from: markf on July 20, 2024, 03:27:30 AMHalf way through the third 91 yds passing, no td, one int.
put in strev.
No
WHAT IS GOING ON OUT THERE?
Soft
Holy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is the dumbest DPI in 5 years. It's completely fake and the refs have sealed this game
pi? 😂
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 03:29:03 AMWHAT IS GOING ON OUT THERE?
Command centre needs to cancel that
lol...good tackle bighill
This is unwatchable.the referring is beyond putrid!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 03:28:02 AMWith points so stingy today, that turnover could be game. Of all the reads he could pick (I counted 3 on the scramble), he picked the double-covered obvious one. Woli wide open at the rail and a faaar easier (non-cross-body) pass.
Well, at least Buck has gone into "non-conservative" mode. So that is good. We can open up the book and try to get some O.
He threw the ball behind Demski right to the rider defender. He couldn't have thrown it any worse than that
Bighill. Whiff
Even Suitor said that was a gift.
Even Suitor said it was a gift PI call.
Garbutt will be a star
once again good tackle bighill...NOT!!!
keep the flags in the pockets. one of the most poorly officiated games this year
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2024, 03:29:35 AMCommand centre needs to cancel that
This is why you hang onto the challenge late into the game, because when you get a homer ref you get royally screwed and you have to sit there and take it.
That was literally the worst DPI call in 5 years, there was not any hint of DPI on it at all.
We had a chance to come back in the game (probably wouldn't anyway) before that call, but now it's near impossible with our dysfunctional O and a decent SSK D. Which is funny, because SSK O is complete hot garbage.
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 03:28:16 AMZack makes another brutal pass/interception in the red zone. Just eat the ball or throw it away, don't turn it over!! Points come off the board. This is Elks style football
they certainly look like the Elks.
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 03:30:25 AMEven Suitor said it was a gift PI call.
That's how you know it was a terrible call.
Biggie missing tackle after tackle. Thanks for everything man, but it's over.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on July 20, 2024, 03:31:22 AMonce again good tackle bighill...NOT!!!
He is a liability as is Zach
Quote from: VictorRomano on July 20, 2024, 03:32:38 AMBiggie missing tackle after tackle. Thanks for everything man, but it's over.
Not over but sun is setting, bad game
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 20, 2024, 03:32:49 AMHe is a liability as is Zach
Disagree both
Terrible games
Liability nope
CFL wants Riders to win because they can't get no fans out to watch their games.
I'm glad I'm not at Mosaic tonight. I'd be very ornery. I don't mind losing because we legit suck, but I don't want to lose by completely fake made up ref calling.
I'm pretty sure that clown that threw the DPI was the same one with the fake DH to end the half. Every single thing to rob us. If that ref lives in SSK, the league needs to do something to get rid of them.
These DPI calls remind me ot big NFL games where they just make stuff up to rig it.
I think we need Streveler in , Zac looks likes he's struggling physically and mentally
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 20, 2024, 03:32:08 AMThat's how you know it was a terrible call.
My thoughts exactly. If suitor sees it and it's against bombers, it has to be ridiculous.
This is the kind of thing that makes our league look so bad. I don't know how O'Shea is maintaining his composure.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 03:34:10 AMI'm glad I'm not at Mosaic tonight. I'd be very ornery. I don't mind losing because we legit suck, but I don't want to lose by completely fake made up ref calling.
I'm pretty sure that clown that threw the DPI was the same one with the fake DH to end the half. Every single thing to rob us. If that ref lives in SSK, the league needs to do something to get rid of them.
Tin foil
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2024, 03:33:50 AMDisagree both
Terrible games
Liability nope
yah whatever PJ
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2024, 03:34:35 AMTin foil
Holy smokes B4L, check out the slowmo replay. There was 100% nothing there, nothing at all, not even an argument. How does a ref throw a flag there if they are being fair and honest?
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 20, 2024, 03:34:05 AMCFL wants Riders to win because they can't get no fans out to watch their games.
Tin foil
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 03:36:50 AMHoly smokes B4L, check out the slowmo replay. There was 100% nothing there, nothing at all, not even an argument. How does a ref throw a flag there if they are being fair and honest?
Human beings that are under paid make mistakes
This was a big one!
cmon zach!!!
Wilson drops one. Thanks for coming out.
Pokey dropping everything his way tonight. That was a must-catch ball, and very catchable throw, and Buck finally had a receiver open.
ToP 34:14 to 25:46
Expect our D pressure to disappear right about now.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 20, 2024, 03:39:11 AMWilson drops one. Thanks for coming out.
Well, it wasn't a very good pass.
O out to lunch but maybe D can make dinner yet
Jefferson, Garbutt and Wilson playing lights out but they need help
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 03:36:50 AMHoly smokes B4L, check out the slowmo replay. There was 100% nothing there, nothing at all, not even an argument. How does a ref throw a flag there if they are being fair and honest?
The PI call on Ford was beyond ridiculous , it was downright embarrassing that in this day and age, we have to put up with such an incompetent call. That was horrible
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 03:40:09 AMWell, it wasn't a very good pass.
no look again that pass was fine.
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 03:40:09 AMWell, it wasn't a very good pass.
Still catch able, bad pass bad catch lots of double bad at the moment
Quote from: Pete on July 20, 2024, 03:34:16 AMI think we need Streveler in , Zac looks likes he's struggling physically and mentally
I agree. Streveler can't be that bad of a passer if the NFL wanted him.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 20, 2024, 03:41:14 AMno look again that pass was fine.
Low and away catchable
It looks like we are giving up now.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2024, 03:38:17 AMHuman beings that are under paid make mistakes
This was a big one!
You've watched enough football. You know that is not DPI anywhere anytime. It was made out of whole cloth. Completely fabricated. The other chintzy calls I can forgive, not that one.
Now AJ will steamroll the gassed and hot D. Oh well. Maybe SSK can sell another 1000 tickets next week.
Quote from: Pete on July 20, 2024, 03:40:41 AMJefferson, Garbutt and Wilson playing lights out but they need help
I like this Garbutt dude,
Holy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another completely fake DPI. Anyone still doubting there's something amiss?
Once again, it's that camera-side refs.
What is going on here??
Phantom
This is BUL ****
Maybe worst refs ever
disgraceful reffing
This is absolutely ridiculous.
top is catching up to us
None of these refs should work the grey cup
Command centre needs to override half this stuff
Proulx is the Biden of Canada.
The league needs to investigate what happened here today.
Another pass interference call against the bombers, go figure, it's almost like they're playing in Saskatchewan, oh wait a minute....I swear the refs are intimidated as heck calling games in mosaic
Case has shown me hardly anything. I like Smith better.
To even it up that 15 yard penalty should be a 85 yard one lol
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 20, 2024, 03:44:47 AMProulx is the Biden of Canada.
C'mon now, there's no need for such language!!
Quote from: Tiger on July 20, 2024, 03:44:18 AMNone of these refs should work the grey cup
This isn't innocent mistakes. This is complete chicanery and it's disgusting. I bet even Rider forum is saying this.
They call a completely fake DPI and then later call another even more fake one? And every time it's the same ref flagging it. That is not normal. I watch a lot of CFL and I'm not sure I've ever seen this type of thing.
When I rewatch I'll bet you it's that same near-side ref calling throwing flag against us all the way back to the weak Ko-man hold.
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 20, 2024, 03:44:47 AMProulx is the Biden of Canada.
Usually better than this
cant tell me this offence and return game couldn't use an injection of lucky
We need some points now!!
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2024, 03:44:41 AMCommand centre needs to override half this stuff
They can't. It's not in the list of automatic-reviewable plays.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 20, 2024, 03:45:41 AMCase has shown me hardly anything. I like Smith better.
Agreed, case closed!!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 03:47:23 AMThey can't. It's not in the list of automatic-reviewable plays.
Needed commissioner to call it in
Wilson nice catch super human
zach!!!!!!!
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2024, 03:48:11 AMNeeded commissioner to call it in
The league can review the entire game and all of these calls and issue an apology and fire the ref. It has been done before in the infamous CGY "No End" game.
Doesn't help us get the W though.
OMG!
Bombers self imploding
(Crickets)
Well, lesson learned. When in Mosaic you need to hang onto that challenge flag until 1:00 left in the game. You cannot give that near-side ref the ability to screw you all game.
zach cant see the field and he certainly cant RPO
Despite all the BS, still in it, one possession ball game, totally winnable
Wonder what bogus calls we are about to see now!!
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2024, 03:51:00 AMBombers self imploding
They are not. The hold was no worse than the 10 SSK has done all night. Seriously.
But whilst we aren't imploding, we are sucking pretty bad this whole game. Buck goes super conservative all 1st H, then refs rob us blind on every decent play in 2nd H.
back to the days of Medlock.
Well, I've got to hand it to O'Shea, he hasn't lost his composure and this game, miraculously, is still within reach. I hope his players are taking note of what it takes mentally to be champions because O'Shea is showing them.
Quote from: 55StickCar on July 20, 2024, 03:47:16 AMWe need some points now!!
3 points work. Still in this. Stranger things have happened in the CFL.
Not many things sweeter than beating the riders. Go Blue!
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 03:54:33 AMWell, I've got to hand it to O'Shea, he hasn't lost his composure and this game,
I guarantee you he's chirping to his ref and "command liaison". Unlucky for us, the near-side refs are on the other side of the field from MOS.
Big stand, Zach let's do this
has case made even one player miss
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 03:53:43 AMThey are not. The hold was no worse than the 10 SSK has done all night. Seriously.
But whilst we aren't imploding, we are sucking pretty bad this whole game. Buck goes super conservative all 1st H, then refs rob us blind on every decent play in 2nd H.
I would nt be too quick to blame buck!!! zach hasnt had too many good games the past season and a half...cant blame buck for the dumb stupid insane int earlier in the game...not the first zach has thrown the past good number of games
Case has protected the ball. Let's give him a chance.
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 03:53:38 AMDespite all the BS, still in it, one possession ball game, totally winnable
Wonder what bogus calls we are about to see now!!
If they are smart, the refs will stop the lies while SSK is up a TD. Why risk being caught even more?
If we get a TD, then the near-side ref will make something up
Zach ugly hand off jesus
Riders were already a tough opponent, near impossible when you have to play against two teams.
Let's go Bombers finish this!!!!
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 03:57:44 AMCase has protected the ball. Let's give him a chance.
His first 1-3 returns he showed fearlessness and speed and desire to hit the hole.
After that, he's started thinking it through and maybe a little banged up. Maybe taking 1-3 CFL returner hits will make you rethinkg the "fearlessness" part :D :D :D
That said, Smith looked better so far, though without the zip.
its crazy we are even in this game
Demski has a problem
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2024, 03:58:05 AMZach ugly hand off jesus
It wasn't. It was a designed QB draw with Brady leading the way. Super dumb play for Buck to call and Zach to execute.
Demski just cost us the game, and not the first time he fumbles going too YACy
horsecollar
Man do we need a punt returner or what!?!?
That's an uncalled horse collar tackle on Demski.
The SSK fumble recovery guy was touched and then fell down. He was down like 15Y back. More ref screwups.
so far this season zach has had only one good half of a football game
3 games in a row Demski has fumbled the ball because he doesn't protect it after first contact. I mentioned it last week, too.
Bombers are the worst blitzing team in the cfl
Quote from: markf on July 20, 2024, 04:01:38 AMhorsecollar
No, heads up play by Thurman, grabbed the shoulder pad with one hand and pinched the ball free with the other.
Hall would have went prevent there
Gamble didn't pay
Quote from: VictorRomano on July 20, 2024, 04:02:40 AM3 games in a row Demski has fumbled the ball because he doesn't protect it after first contact. I mentioned it last week, too.
He was going for the high-speed TD and didn't see that guy coming. He just couldn't accelerate as fast as that other guy. If he had an extra half second he would have had the TD
Back breaking play
Turnout the lights the party s over, they say all good things must end.....
Sickening
We've never seen Patterson play before. We'll be much better prepared for him next time.
The fans really want the Bombers to win the Grey Cup this year but the players don't look very interested.
Even if we get the ball back with any time we can't run our normal O and they just go prevent and that's it.
I would go empty backfield. Brady won't be of any use on 3 down pass-fest panic time.
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 04:04:59 AMWe've never seen Patterson play before. We'll be much better prepared for him next time.
i wouldnt bet on it...he is a rookie after all.....
Beat ourselves and refs twisted knife
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 04:04:12 AMBack breaking play
Turnout the lights the party s over, they say all good things must end.....
Uh, we never started (this season). Putting up 9 is entirely within our M.O. Is anyone surprised we are going to lose at Mosaic on a night when the refs are rigging it?
Harris will be ready soon, challenge only increases
Quote from: Blitzer on July 20, 2024, 04:05:13 AMThe fans really want the Bombers to win the Grey Cup this year but the players don't look very interested.
bombers dont have a QB or a middle linebacker to start.....
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 04:04:59 AMWe've never seen Patterson play before. We'll be much better prepared for him next time.
There won't be a next time. Next time Trevor will be back and they will destroy us if we haven't figured out our problems by then.
Case big play
Oooooh ... O'Shea is pissed! I've seen THAT look before.
O line can't get it done
Turning point of the season
Trouble in Bomber land
If I was Streveler and I didn't start playing a lot more I wouldn't come back next year.
One of ugliest games I can remember
Collaros is trying so hard to make the big plays but he needs to just take the easy check downs. Really frustrating to see both his arm strength and decision making this season so far...
Ugly!
Maybe learn the Antwi Dropsy-Flopsy play? Nah, that would make too much sense!
I absolutely guarantee you everyone will remember what happened here today and the next game will be much different.
those interceptions..gotta wonder what the heck zach is seeing..is he color blind
What a stupid thing for Patterson to do!
Good for you, Adam.
The game was completely winnable until the refs started ripping us off. And I do mean ripping us off.
SSK will almost certainly be ahead of us in the standings come week 22. So we have to be happy with 3rd, barring a miracle.
Biggie tackling the QB is 100% fine. QB could have taken a knee.
Nice embellishment. Glad to see the Cody School Of Writhing is still churning out graduates.
That was pathetic. Out coached on all phases. That last turnover was the nail in the coffin.
Our rookies receivers have some upside but as a group at the moment, they are not good enough. I don't know what the deal is with Johnson. Was he open, was he injured. He was invisible. Clercius was not particularly effective either.
Somebody explain why we're starting 3 Canadian receivers. At least Whitehead might have drawn more coverage.
Total cheapshot by bighill. I thought he was classier than that.
What comes around goes around. Expect s cheap shot on Collaros in upcoming rider games, bank on it.
dumb bush league play by bighill..typical of a loser
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 04:14:09 AMThe game was completely winnable until the refs started ripping us off. And I do mean ripping us off.
SSK will almost certainly be ahead of us in the standings come week 22. So we have to be happy with 3rd, barring a miracle.
Biggie tackling the QB is 100% fine. QB could have taken a knee.
Nice embellishment. Glad to see the Cody School Of Writhing is still churning out graduates.
We didn't get the calls tonight but when you don't score a TD you don't win the game.
We held them to 19 points in Regina. That should win you the game most times.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on July 20, 2024, 04:15:43 AMdumb bush league play by bighill..typical of a loser
Haha. Spot the rider fan account.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2024, 04:09:03 AMTurning point of the season
Trouble in Bomber land
Given how they play in Toronto and then BC (who are clearly the better team)...2-7 is a possibility and 2-8 may be reality - and that record does indeed spell T R O U B L E in River City
How sad was that. ZC8 with another stupid throw for an Int, and ND10 not protecting the ball. No TDs again for our O.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 20, 2024, 04:16:04 AMWe didn't get the calls tonight but when you don't score a TD you don't win the game.
We held them to 19 points in Regina. That should win you the game most times.
Our offense stinks!
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 04:18:05 AMOur offense stinks!
Offense wasn't good but give the Riders credit. Their defense is legit.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on July 20, 2024, 04:15:43 AMdumb bush league play by bighill..typical of a loser
Was stupid, but Patterson put himself in that position.
I'm not going to comment on this game but I will say one thing FIX IT
I thought the Bombers were unlucky in the last 2 Grey Cups but now I'm starting to doubt that. There might be a bigger problem.
Quote from: barbk on July 20, 2024, 04:18:58 AMI'm not going to comment on this game but I will say one thing FIX IT
They will. The upsetting part for some is it's going to take a year or two.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 20, 2024, 04:18:46 AMWas stupid, but Patterson put himself in that position.
bush league analysis
Team is not very good.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 04:14:09 AMThe game was completely winnable until the refs started ripping us off. And I do mean ripping us off.
SSK will almost certainly be ahead of us in the standings come week 22. So we have to be happy with 3rd, barring a miracle.
Biggie tackling the QB is 100% fine. QB could have taken a knee.
Nice embellishment. Glad to see the Cody School Of Writhing is still churning out graduates.
Winnable... maybe but we were outplayed all game. Those PIs were ******** but I don't really see a scenario where we beat them tonight.
Another game with no stat and no impact from Thomas. I don't think I'll re-watch this on PVR but he was run past, run around and just late to the party.
Why was Gauthier on the field? That's almost a given big play for the opponent and it was.
Garbutt looked like he'll round out into a good player.
That said, the team was a day late and a dollar short. They absolutely needed to win to have a decent chance to finish above 3rd. Need the Stamps to continue losing.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 20, 2024, 04:24:43 AMTap tap tap clack clack clack
Okay, that's enough. Both of you move on.
Demski massive let down! Guy is a fumble machine lately.
Bighill is a liability
OL regresses again
Oliveira is A+
Willie had a good game
Holm was terrible
Young's defensive scheme is a mess.
Yes, if ND10 holds on to the ball we probably tie the game.
Lots of season left and I saw enough to have hope. With the homer calls and blatant robbery the Riders got today they barely beat us and only scored 19 points. That team doesn't scare me and a game like this will galvanise us. We are a good football team and are learning what it takes to become a great football team. I haven't seen that look in O'Shea's eyes in a long time but that's to bring out the best in him. You can bet we have a lot of great football ahead of us starting with the next game against the Argos. This is going to be fun!
Garbutt might be good, but we have to find Willy some help.
No idea why I selected Bombers in the Pickems. I made that decision on Thurs and almost immediately regretted it. Sask's 2nd string QB is better than our starter. But then you've also got Kolonkowski, Neufeld, Bighill, Alexander, Thomas. All that salary weighing down your ability to roster a decent team. Hate to say it but we got outcoached and outplayed by a better club. Kind of a sickening feeling.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 20, 2024, 04:18:46 AMWas stupid, but Patterson put himself in that position.
What a ridiculous comment . Patterson was just trying to run the clock out to zero, no way bombers could win, back nine big hill did not have to do what he did. Just plain classless. He's a shadow of his former self. we need our MLB making big plays but not like that. This is shades of reinbolt days vs bc. Was waiting for mace to come out and push O'Shea!!
This is a team game. The other team will try to exploit the opposition's weaknesses. Looks like the Bombers have a lot of weak spots. That's disappointing.
The Riders D made a huge play when it looked like we were going to score, that was the difference in the game right there. Great battle, worst game I can remember for officiating and I be been watching since 1974. An embarrassment really. That PI call on Ford was ridiculous.
A number of posts have been removed. It was a tough loss but it does not justify veiled threats and spoken insults. If your emotions take the best of you, it might be better to take the rest of the evening off and come back with reasonable comments later.
Keep the forum civil. Thanks.
The last few games the officiating has been good. Saw Proulx and was like oh crap. Dude is friggin useless. The o-line needs to step up also. Onto the next !!!
just out of curiosity, does proulx make the calls or does the other officials throw the flag and report to proulx on the call?
Quote from: Go_Big_D on July 20, 2024, 05:00:46 AMjust out of curiosity, does proulx make the calls or does the other officials throw the flag and report to proulx on the call?
Proulx makes them all. He has 12 eyes and stands in 11 different places at once.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 20, 2024, 05:02:17 AMProux makes them all. He has 12 eyes and stands in 11 different places at once.
In fairness to Andre the bad PI calls were made from the backfield officials, he was the furthest official from the play but what's he supposed to do, someone on his crew throws a flag he's got to announce it
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 05:06:33 AMIn fairness to Andre the bad PI calls were made from the backfield officials, he was the furthest official from the play but what's he supposed to do, someone on his crew throws a flag he's got to announce it
I think the main point is the officiating was not stellar in this game. The two PI calls were very questionable and several holding calls were missed. The officials aren't perfect - that is true. But when questionable or missed calls are made, it is fair game for fans to be critical. Players receive the same critical attention from fans so officials can't be immune from criticism.
Quote from: ModAdmin on July 20, 2024, 05:15:08 AMI think the main point is the officiating was not stellar in this game. The two PI calls were very questionable and several holding calls were missed. The officials aren't perfect - that is true. But when questionable or missed calls are made, it is fair game for fans to be critical. Players receive the same critical attention from fans so officials can't be immune from criticism.
people keep pointing the finger at proulx...how much of a factor is he making the calls(not excusing him or defending him) or takes instructions from the subordinates ergo is proulx to blame or are the suboordinates to blame?
Quote from: ModAdmin on July 20, 2024, 05:15:08 AMI think the main point is the officiating was not stellar in this game. The two PI calls were very questionable and several holding calls were missed. The officials aren't perfect - that is true. But when questionable or missed calls are made, it is fair game for fans to be critical. Players receive the same critical attention from fans so officials can't be immune from criticism.
Hey I of all people criticize the officials and rightfully so. There are some bad bad calls out there. I m just saying from an officiating standpoint Andre proulx didn't make the bad calls everyone's upset about so don't say he's calling everything. He doesn't . He has 6 other officials on his crew to take a turn at blowing calls and they get to make him look bad
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 05:25:59 AMHey I of all people criticize the officials and rightfully so. There are some bad bad calls out there. I m just saying from an officiating standpoint Andre proulx didn't make the bad calls everyone's upset about so don't say he's calling everything. He doesn't . He has 6 other officials on his crew to take a turn at blowing calls and they get to make him look bad
he may get saddled with a bad crew of officials!
Quote from: Go_Big_D on July 20, 2024, 05:28:15 AMhe may get saddled with a bad crew of officials!
He certainly did tonight
I've never seen anything like it in 50 years watching this league
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 05:25:59 AMHey I of all people criticize the officials and rightfully so. There are some bad bad calls out there. I m just saying from an officiating standpoint Andre proulx didn't make the bad calls everyone's upset about so don't say he's calling everything. He doesn't . He has 6 other officials on his crew to take a turn at blowing calls and they get to make him look bad
Your quarrel is not with me. I did not mention Proulx. In fact, I believe Proulx is one of the better officials in the league. But, like players, he is part of a team and therefore we can only hope that he and the other CFL officials have a productive meeting to iron out officiating deficiencies in this particular game. One official who called PI was within 10 feet of the the receiver and the DB and should have made a call that reflected the actual play.
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 05:35:30 AMHe certainly did tonight
I've never seen anything like it in 50 years watching this league
That official is not going to emerge unscathed, they get graded on their performance and he will have some major explaining to do during his review.
When Glen Suitor is complaining about officiating calls that benefitted the riders you know something is wrong... The Bombers did not play a great game but the refs put and left points on the board.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 20, 2024, 05:41:45 AMThat official is not going to emerge unscathed, they get graded on their performance and he will have some major explaining to do during his review.
Ya good luck explaining the ford PI call. It may be his last assignment after that one.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 20, 2024, 04:18:46 AMWas stupid, but Patterson put himself in that position.
I watched it again and Biggie doesn't know if he's going to throw it or not! Remember the BC game where BC appeared to give up and then kick a FG? Ya, so what's to keep SSK from having Patterson run around on 3rd down and then throw a hail Mary to rack up the score. How does Biggie know he's not going to do that?
In fact, the proof Patterson was going to throw is that
he threw it! Any QB going to throw is fair game for a tackler. What he should have done is slide down or take a knee like any sane QB would in this situation after the clock reached 0:00. I timed it and the QB ran around for 2.5 seconds
after the clock hit 0:00. Why doesn't he just get down?
If it was a dirty play then the refs would have thrown a flag. Simple as that. Heck, they loved throwing flags against WPG all night long, why not for this one? Command could have also stepped in for RTP, and they didn't. I doubt they fine Biggie for this one, and that will be another tell.
I just watched it in slow mo a few times and it's a perfectly fine hit. The only question that matters:
If this was the 3rd play of the game, would you still say Biggie laid a dirty hit? The fact that it was the final play changes nothing: the QB was still appearing to want to throw, so you tackle him.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 20, 2024, 04:27:33 AMAnother game with no stat and no impact from Thomas. I don't think I'll re-watch this on PVR but he was run past, run around and just late to the party.
Uh, did you see how good our run D was? Except garbage time we held Oullette to pretty much just 1 big run. Most of his runs were for 1-3Y. In fact, our run D is part of the reason we were still in this game until the refs broke it open.
Once again, I'm not faulting Fatboi and the DL. They even got some sacks, pressures, and tackles for losses tonight!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 20, 2024, 04:29:42 AMYoung's defensive scheme is a mess.
D wasn't the problem tonight. They kept us in it even after the first couple of ref cheats. Even more amazing given the ToP until garbage time.
The loss is 100% on the O. I bet if we have zero turnovers we still somehow manage to squeak a win out over SSK and the refs.
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 04:42:56 AMThe Riders D made a huge play when it looked like we were going to score, that was the difference in the game right there. Great battle, worst game I can remember for officiating and I be been watching since 1974. An embarrassment really. That PI call on Ford was ridiculous.
Thank you. I've been an every-game-every-week watcher since 2014 and I've never seen anything like it. That's what I was trying to convey in-game. I can understand one horrifically bad DPI, but a second one
even worse from the same ref was over the top. It's like they weren't just trying to rig it, they had to demoralize us and rub it in.
I really hope the league looks into this: you can't explain it away with incompetence. And I would like MOS to also, very tactfully (no fines!), address it in the pressers/coach show. I'll study the plays again over the next day or so, but upon my first set of computer tricks/replays in-game, there was literally nothing there.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on July 20, 2024, 05:00:46 AMjust out of curiosity, does proulx make the calls or does the other officials throw the flag and report to proulx on the call?
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 05:06:33 AMIn fairness to Andre the bad PI calls were made from the backfield officials, he was the furthest official from the play but what's he supposed to do, someone on his crew throws a flag he's got to announce it
dd is right. Unless another ref sees something else and talks the flag ref out of it, the penalty is called. Proulx has absolutely nothing to do with it, unless he saw something contrary.
That said, Proulx does have some control over his crew pre-game: he sets the tone, he tells them how he wants it called (super strict; or super loose for playoffs). No matter what the league does, Proulx needs to rip that one ref a new one. This affects Proulx's grade too.
Quote from: ModAdmin on July 20, 2024, 05:15:08 AMI think the main point is the officiating was not stellar in this game. The two PI calls were very questionable and several holding calls were missed. The officials aren't perfect - that is true. But when questionable or missed calls are made, it is fair game for fans to be critical. Players receive the same critical attention from fans so officials can't be immune from criticism.
Questionable? No, there were close to 4 blatant blind ridiculous calls and all went against the Bombers. I just kept waiting for what next they would be shafted for! :( Sure enough they kept coming.
This might have been the WORST OFFICIATED GAME I HAVE EVER SEEN IN THE CFL!! THIS GOES BACK TO 1980 when I started following the Bombers and the CFL regularly and pretty intensely. Youngest memories start in 1976. BLATANT PATHETIC CALLS at least 4 times. There is bad, but when even HELEN KELLER can see the obvious, then something is rotten in Mudville! ;) Even Suits was commenting on it on TSN. HORRIBLE! BUSH LEAGUE DOES not even describe it to me. NOT EVEN CLOSE TO penalties or so away from the play it had no bearing at all....I HATE THOSE THE MOST. Unless roughing or unsportsmanlike type things, why even call it if it HAS 0% effect on the play? Let the BOYZ play! ;) Same with hockey...this is not ballet, it's a rough game at times! :D
Something off with Zach. Forcing balls into so tight a zone for possible picks which he once threw away. I don't think he can scramble as well as he used to, but throwing up bad balls has nothing to do with his scrambling. That is football sense as a QB. Is Streveler rubbing off on him with his iffy longer passing? He had a few nice ones to Wilson, but others he was way off. I remember one play Wilson had his guy beat and Zach not really pressured threw it into Wilson's feet. That would have been a major game buster, but alas ZIPPO! :(
I watched the game with a brother and he commented our O-Line is maybe a bit weak inside or the new tackle. Sort of a moot point at tackle as Hardrick done probably for the year. Maybe ousting Gray was not such a smart move. Neufeld getting up there in age and fitness. Is Stanley Bryant fading out too? I can't say really as I don't follow o-line play that intensely.
Outside of Wilson, no much seen from the new receivers either. Nothing horrible, but no bust outs either. Return game is stable, but nobody busting anything or even threatening too really. Kicking is top notch though! All of a sudden O'Shea going for long bombs from 60+ yards? He would NEVER do that in prior seasons outside like a HAIL MARY type thing near the end of a game. Castillo has just been plowing the ball well this season along with accuracy. Still you can't make 60 yard bombs all the time.
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 04:36:59 AMWhat a ridiculous comment . Patterson was just trying to run the clock out to zero, no way bombers could win, back nine big hill did not have to do what he did. Just plain classless. He's a shadow of his former self. we need our MLB making big plays but not like that. This is shades of reinbolt days vs bc. Was waiting for mace to come out and push O'Shea!!
I thought the OLD SAYING GOES "YOU PLAY TO THE WHISTLE AND LAST SECOND"! I Call B.S.! If Patterson wants to be a cry baby, then that is why he is playing for the CRYDERS!! ;) Was not a blatant dirty hit ala Simoni Lawrence. Bighill more fell on top of him that hit him hard. This is not flag football either! People get HIT once in a while HARD! So quite your whining Patterson and get a life. ZERO sympathy for him. Kind of like Fajardo throwing his team under the bus when they flopped out. Until he turned around his career in Montreal, that is what I remember most about him. BE A LEADER and NOT A WHINER! ;) :D
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 20, 2024, 05:02:17 AMProulx makes them all. He has 12 eyes and stands in 11 different places at once.
LOVE THE SARCASM!! :D ;)
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 04:15:15 AMTotal cheapshot by bighill. I thought he was classier than that.
What comes around goes around. Expect s cheap shot on Collaros in upcoming rider games, bank on it.
Nothing even CLOSE To a Simoni Lawrence cheap shot....
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 20, 2024, 04:17:19 AMHaha. Spot the rider fan account.
WILL ALWAYS BE CRYDERS TO ME!! :D ;) WAHH WAHHH WAHH! :D
This....the Riders out hit and out played us most of the game and look like a team trending upwards whereas we are a team trending in the opposite direction. Brady O got whacked a number of times by a ferocious Sask D. We are a team laden with vets who are starting to show their age and we need fresh legs. We will be lucky JUST to make the playoffs...,,we play TO next and I don't see us winning that one either and then BC back to back. Zach is not the QB he once was.....indecisive, under throwing receivers and forcing the ball into tight coverage when in scoring position on first down!!
We are now 2-5 and MOS said we'll look at film and learn from our mistakes and be fine? We could easily be 2-8 after the next 3 games and the Bombers are not showing signs of "learning from their mistakes". This team is in trouble whether we want to admit it or not....and we can blame the refs all we want....but good teams beat their opponents, the refs and the opposing fans and we're simply not capable of doing this any longer. We were beaten by a much better Rider team today plain and simple and it hurts to admit that....I think it's going to be a long season in Bomber-land.
Be that as it may I was a still a Bomber fan after a 29 year GC drought finally ended in 2019 and then enjoyed the last four seasons of mostly winning. This season though, something is definitely off and the team lacks the passion and intensity we've enjoyed watching over the last 4 years. However, despite our recent losing ways I will still be a Bomber fan until the day I die.....Bombers forever!!
Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on July 20, 2024, 11:16:28 AMThis....the Riders out hit and out played us most of the game and look like a team trending upwards whereas we are a team trending in the opposite direction. Brady O got whacked a number of times by a ferocious Sask D. We are a team laden with vets who are starting to show their age and we need fresh legs. We will be lucky JUST to make the playoffs...,,we play TO next and I don't see us winning that one either and then BC back to back. Zach is not the QB he once was.....indecisive, under throwing receivers and forcing the ball into tight coverage when in scoring position on first down!!
We are now 2-5 and MOS said we'll look at film and learn from our mistakes and be fine? We could easily be 2-8 after the next 3 games and the Bombers are not showing signs of "learning from their mistakes". This team is in trouble whether we want to admit it or not....and we can blame the refs all we want....but good teams beat their opponents, the refs and the opposing fans and we're simply not capable of doing this any longer. We were beaten by a much better Rider team today plain and simple and it hurts to admit that....I think it's going to be a long season in Bomber-land.
Be that as it may I was a still a Bomber fan after a 29 year GC drought finally ended in 2019 and then enjoyed the last four seasons of mostly winning. This season though, something is definitely off and the team lacks the passion and intensity we've enjoyed watching over the last 4 years. However, despite our recent losing ways I will still be a Bomber fan until the day I die.....Bombers forever!!
My thought exactly. Thanks Linc.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 06:42:30 AMUh, did you see how good our run D was? Except garbage time we held Oullette to pretty much just 1 big run. Most of his runs were for 1-3Y. In fact, our run D is part of the reason we were still in this game until the refs broke it open.
Once again, I'm not faulting Fatboi and the DL. They even got some sacks, pressures, and tackles for losses tonight!
Did you see how much time Patterson had to throw? He completed 68% of his passes. His receivers dropped a couple or it would have been even higher. Patterson broke contain a few times and it cost us.
Note that this was only the 3rd start for Patterson and you have to take that into account when assessing the Bomber defence. Nichols had a particularly bad game.
I'm not going to re-watch this game, but you should. How often did we stop a 2nd and long? Focus specifically on Thomas.
I can't say I'd blame the loss on the defence but they didn't force any turnovers either. Our offence was horrible. Our return game was not great.
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 04:04:59 AMWe've never seen Patterson play before. We'll be much better prepared for him next time.
We saw him in the pre-season and we have game film on him.
The horrible reffing went both ways. We got a bad PI to keep a drive alive & the Ref got in the way of Alford on the missed 61 yarder stopping him from catching it on the fly. We had 2 horrible PI's against us.
Biggie's hit, on the last play of the game, with no time on the clock, and no chance for a win was clearly a cheap shot. He'll be lighter in the wallet this week. They didn't throw the flag because the game was over. You don't try to take out the other teams QB after the game is over. In my day, that would have started a brawl.
Demski's fumble was the last straw. We might have got a TD on that drive, but SKN still had enough time to get a FG or OT to win the game.
Wilson made an amazing catch & a huge block that freed Demski on his fumble play.
Collaros has lost it, but he still thinks he has it. That's causing him to try and make plays that he no long can.
Us loosing Lawler & Schoen is like BC losing Hatcher & Cottoy. They're 5-1, we're 2-5. We need to look elsewhere to find out why we are sucking this year. IMO: On D it's Biggie & Alexander. On O it's Collaros & the OL.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 20, 2024, 01:08:51 PMDid you see how much time Patterson had to throw? He completed 68% of his passes. His receivers dropped a couple or it would have been even higher. Patterson broke contain a few times and it cost us.
Note that this was only the 3rd start for Patterson and you have to take that into account when assessing the Bomber defence. Nichols had a particularly bad game.
I'm not going to re-watch this game, but you should. How often did we stop a 2nd and long? Focus specifically on Thomas.
I can't say I'd blame the loss on the defence but they didn't force any turnovers either. Our offence was horrible. Our return game was not great.
Agree, that Nichols did not have a good game. Our D was in that bend but don't break mode, and for the most part that worked. But, then they blow up on that pass to the full back in the EZ. D gave up two big runs, one for 17 and other for 21 yards. The big difference in this game, we had two turnovers. Both times we should have put points on the board. Ajou Ajou killed us with 110 yards on 4 catches.
Brady 129 yards on 18 touches, ZC8 266 1 INT, no TDs. Ontario Wilson beautiful circus catch, but 2/7 for 48 yards. Johnson and Clercius looked good early both with 2 catches early in the game, but saw nothing after that. Johnson open a few times running across the middle. ND10 3/6, 56 yards and one fumble.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 20, 2024, 04:06:50 AMUh, we never started (this season). Putting up 9 is entirely within our M.O. Is anyone surprised we are going to lose at Mosaic on a night when the refs are rigging it?
Had very little to do with the refs. The calls were egregious but you can't win if you only score 9 points.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 20, 2024, 07:11:13 AMI thought the OLD SAYING GOES "YOU PLAY TO THE WHISTLE AND LAST SECOND"! I Call B.S.! If Patterson wants to be a cry baby, then that is why he is playing for the CRYDERS!! ;) Was not a blatant dirty hit ala Simoni Lawrence. Bighill more fell on top of him that hit him hard. This is not flag football either! People get HIT once in a while HARD! So quite your whining Patterson and get a life. ZERO sympathy for him. Kind of like Fajardo throwing his team under the bus when they flopped out. Until he turned around his career in Montreal, that is what I remember most about him. BE A LEADER and NOT A WHINER! ;) :D
For the record, Patterson told media that Bighill made a football play and he had every right to hit him.
Quote from: Jesse on July 20, 2024, 03:34:49 PMFor the record, Patterson told media that Bighill made a football play and he had every right to hit him.
Had the right and needing to in that situation are not the same thing. The game was over.
Refs were bad, but we should have been better. Did the ref's calling super tight make our DBs back off? I think Holm has shown over the years, and Ford this year, that they are well capable of making big plays. But I think the concern over getting called for phantom PI may have affected how close they played to the Rec and the ball.
Kramdi made some plays and hits. He did not look out of place, passport is a bonus.
Demski is NOT a turnover machine, the DB horsecollared him (should have been a penalty) and then made a perfect punch out of the ball, using the horsecollar to pull himself into position. Demski was trying for the EZ, the only way to have prevented the punchout would have been to turtle on first contact, and wrap up the ball in both hands. On the off chance that the DB can make the perfect punchout. There will be a lot of review on that film in the O filmroom this week.
We got outplayed. our best players were not our best players, especially Zach. Picks, bad throws, bad scrambles, bad reads. And that ride and decide where he didn't let go after Brady had it secured was ridiculous. I'm sorry, but Zach seemed dazed and confused all game.
Biggie made that third down stop, was in the perfect place and made the perfect hit, and the refs gave the Cryders a favourable spot. He was in on some blitzes, made some tackles, and in general, I don't think he was bad, but he wasn't great. Not sure how many snaps Jones got if any, but I think we should be giving Biggie some rest in game.
The Dline got some pressure, Willie had a good game, Garbutt too, I think he will get better as the game "slows down" for him.
DB's were OK until the refs put on the Green/Black jerseys and lined up against them. I do think Younger is still figuring things out, Hall does need to make is presence better known.
Our Rec corps looked off. Wilson was struggling, but Zach's throws did not help at all.
Castillo was money again, even trying a 61 yarder was nuts, but the result was as good as a punt, so there's that.
Case was unimpressive, but its his first game on the wide field with the halo. I like his moves, and I think he will get better as, again, the game slows down for him with more live reps.
We held them to 19, which is 10 less than their average so far, and did that in Toilet Seat Stadium. D was not our problem. We needed to get Streveler in there for a series or a package, give Zach a breather and an opportunity to watch and even get competitive. Steveler got us a win, and Collaros came back the next game to "earn his spot back". He had a good game at home against a weak Calgary team. This was not a good game for Zach in any way, and he needs to be a lot better. If that means platooning, so be it. Streveler isn't here to be just a SY threat. Use him, Buck.
Kneeing it out is a time honored way of not getting hit. Bombers would have let him kill the 4 seconds as Calgary let us last week.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 20, 2024, 03:38:33 PMHad the right and needing to in that situation are not the same thing. The game was over.
Patterson got what was coming. And a message for next game. Patterson should have slid or taken a knee, he was hot dogging trying to show up the D ("here I am, you can't catch me"), and Biggie gave him a comeuppance. Patterson f'd around and found out.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 20, 2024, 03:52:03 PMDemski is NOT a turnover machine, the DB horsecollared him (should have been a penalty) and then made a perfect punch out of the ball, using the horsecollar to pull himself into position. Demski was trying for the EZ, the only way to have prevented the punchout would have been to turtle on first contact, and wrap up the ball in both hands. On the off chance that the DB can make the perfect punchout. There will be a lot of review on that film in the O filmroom this week.
I noticed the partial horse collar too. Usually I say let it go, but with the flimsy calls against the bombers all game I was livid yelling at my tv! 🤪😎 to me the team was getting shafted for some reason.
Long memory. Cfl western final in Edmonton in 1982. Flimsy roughing call on John Helton probably ended that game for the bombers. Still "bitter" about that even today! 🤣
People say refs don't decide a game, but they can and have done so many a time. I don't buy that argument. In a very tight game how can they not! Is is not true a few key plays usually decide a game! Then there is your proof. A few major whiffs in calls could be those Key plays. Can't have it only for the players.
Horse collar tackles are an automatic review, you don't need to throw a challenge. That means the command center reviewed it and decided it wasn't a horse collar tackle.
The hand was over the shoulder on the front of the jersey, not on the back. Is that a horse collar by definition?
Quote from: Jesse on July 20, 2024, 03:34:49 PMFor the record, Patterson told media that Bighill made a football play and he had every right to hit him.
That was post game, not at the time of the hit. If so why did the CRYDERS try to start a brawl? Some hotheads out of control there. Not blaming Patterson, but he probably did not help to tone it down right away.
If Lucky is anywhere near ready, we have to bring him in for Johnson. Unless Lawler is ready.
Johnson needs a apple and a roadmap, not sure why he is on the roster other than injury. He has looked terrible, have not seen him block, 10 targets in 4 gaems, 6 catches, 74 yards. That is a wasted roster spot.
Quote from: Jesse on July 20, 2024, 03:26:37 PMHad very little to do with the refs. The calls were egregious but you can't win if you only score 9 points.
Can't emphasize this enough, the defence wasn't perfect but they only allowed 19 points which is usually good enough to win. It's impossible to win when the offence only produces 9 points.
O'Shea needs to point the gun at Buck and give him free reign to come up with a solution to an underperforming QB and a sputtering offence. I'd give Buck till the end of the year to save his job before starting the search for a new OC with a fresh perspective to reinvigorate the offence and with it the team's future prospects.
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2024, 04:04:59 AMWe've never seen Patterson play before. We'll be much better prepared for him next time.
Wont see Patterson again as Harris will be off the 6 game Injury List by then.
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 20, 2024, 04:26:23 PMHorse collar tackles are an automatic review, you don't need to throw a challenge. That means the command center reviewed it and decided it wasn't a horse collar tackle.
The hand was over the shoulder on the front of the jersey, not on the back. Is that a horse collar by definition?
No it is not, grabbing inside the collar or above the numbers and causing a change of direction is a horse collar tackle. This was just a smart football play, as opposed to a dumb football play made by Bighill at the end of the game. Make smart football plays and you win games, make dumb football plays and you lose football games. Bighill s hit just showed where he is in his career, frustrated he couldn't make a tackle during the game, he chose to make a cheapshot hit in the last play of the game when the guy is trying to kill the clock as he needed to get on the stat sheet. What an embarrassment of a player
Quote from: Waffler on July 20, 2024, 03:53:10 PMKneeing it out is a time honored way of not getting hit. Bombers would have let him kill the 4 seconds as Calgary let us last week.
Agree.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 20, 2024, 05:03:36 PMCan't emphasize this enough, the defence wasn't perfect but they only allowed 19 points which is usually good enough to win. It's impossible to win when the offence only produces 9 points.
O'Shea needs to point the gun at Buck and give him free reign to come up with a solution to an underperforming QB and a sputtering offence. I'd give Buck till the end of the year to save his job before starting the search for a new OC with a fresh perspective to reinvigorate the offence and with it the team's future prospects.
I would give Buck till Labor Day. When we are 2nd. and 3 or 4 is ZC8 in the game. We all know that ZC8 isn't running. So, teams just key on BO20.
Pretty sad when an aspiring rookie Qb outplays your high priced mop vet. I like this Patterson kid, he shows a lot of promise. He's done very well filling in for their injured #1,
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 05:13:15 PMNo it is not, grabbing inside the collar or above the numbers and causing a change of direction is a horse collar tackle. This was just a smart football play, as opposed to a dumb football play made by Bighill at the end of the game. Make smart football plays and you win games, make dumb football plays and you lose football games. Bighill s hit just showed where he is in his career, frustrated he couldn't make a tackle during the game, he chose to make a cheapshot hit in the last play of the game when the guy is trying to kill the clock as he needed to get on the stat sheet. What an embarrassment of a player
Except the QB that got hit said it was a good football play. You saying it was a "cheapshot" doesn't make that characterization correct.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 20, 2024, 03:38:33 PMHad the right and needing to in that situation are not the same thing. The game was over.
I was responding to someone saying Patterson was whining and needed to grow up.
Quote from: ModAdmin on July 20, 2024, 05:28:42 PMExcept the QB that got hit said it was a good football play. You saying it was a "cheapshot" doesn't make that characterization correct.
Patterson didn't want to come across as a whiner so he just sucked it up and avoided the controversy.
The players reaction at the end of the game tells it all. If it was a simple 'football play' there wouldn't have been the escalation immediately following it would there now?? Players know when lines have been crossed and will take action. Bighill hasn't seen the last of this. You don't think every O lineman isn't going to be gunning for him?? How about Oulette?? Did you check out him yelling at Bighill. This is far from over. The old man is going to get his just due, bank on it
Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 20, 2024, 04:40:00 PMThat was post game, not at the time of the hit. If so why did the CRYDERS try to start a brawl? Some hotheads out of control there. Not blaming Patterson, but he probably did not help to tone it down right away.
Because their QB got hit. Any team does the same thing.
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 05:49:11 PMPatterson didn't want to come across as a whiner so he just sucked it up and avoided the controversy.
The players reaction at the end of the game tells it all. If it was a simple 'football play' there wouldn't have been the escalation immediately following it would there now?? Players know when lines have been crossed and will take action. Bighill hasn't seen the last of this. You don't think every O lineman isn't going to be gunning for him?? How about Oulette?? Did you check out him yelling at Bighill. This is far from over. The old man is going to get his just due, bank on it
Its ridiculous, the entire blames is on whoever made the play call. They were up two scores with seconds left. Its a worse play call than last year when Harris got hurt on a similar play. Don:t blame Bighill for finishing the play. Why any coach would call a drop back pass and risk qb sack is beyond me
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 05:49:11 PMPatterson didn't want to come across as a whiner so he just sucked it up and avoided the controversy.
The players reaction at the end of the game tells it all. If it was a simple 'football play' there wouldn't have been the escalation immediately following it would there now?? Players know when lines have been crossed and will take action. Bighill hasn't seen the last of this. You don't think every O lineman isn't going to be gunning for him?? How about Oulette?? Did you check out him yelling at Bighill. This is far from over. The old man is going to get his just due, bank on it
I actually quoted Patterson and now your trying to read his mind. Think about that for a second.
Heck, Credos to Bighill for delivering a message, took a page out of hockeys book. He knows he may have put a bullseye on his back but still didnt just roll over, or worse yet hug it out like a lot of younger players seem to want to do
He didnt go for the knees or head just delivered a good hit
Quote from: Pete on July 20, 2024, 06:09:19 PMIts ridiculous, the entire blames is on whoever made the play call. They were up two scores with seconds left. Its a worse play call than last year when Harris got hurt on a similar play. Don:t blame Bighill for finishing the play. Why any coach would call a drop back pass and risk qb sack is beyond me
As O'Shea said in his postgame interview, nothing wrong with the play Patterson ran, but he was expected to throw it away within 5 seconds not run around with it provoking a pissed off opponent.
the long passes may need to be removed from the playbook.
Why not put Streveller in?
I'm sure this all makes sense to the coaches. but I'm not understanding some of what they do.
Quote from: ModAdmin on July 20, 2024, 06:31:27 PMI actually quoted Patterson and now your trying to read his mind. Think about that for a second.
I'm not reading anyone's mind, just watched the players reaction afterwards and that tells me it's wasnt just a football play as guys wanted to knock each others heads in.
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 08:10:20 PMI'm not reading anyone's mind, just watched the players reaction afterwards and that tells me it's wasnt just a football play as guys wanted to knock each others heads in.
Yes you were attempting to interpret what Patterson was thinking. and the Riders players reaction to that play has zero to do with what Patterson said.
Quote from: ModAdmin on July 20, 2024, 08:35:31 PMYes you were attempting to interpret what Patterson was thinking. and the Riders players reaction to that play has zero to do with what Patterson said.
Don't know what Patterson was thinking, don't know what he said, just know a cheapshot when I see one, and that was as cheap as they come
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 08:48:58 PMDon't know what Patterson was thinking, don't know what he said, just know a cheapshot when I see one, and that was as cheap as they come
Was it uncalled for? Maybe. Patterson f'd around and found out. Patterson had plenty of time to toss it away or hook slide with 0:00 on the clock, but kept dancing. It was a clean shot, and a football play. It wasn't an attempt to injure, but it was an intent to send a message. You play to the whistle, every play. You want to hot dog, you gonna get roasted.
Would I like it if they did that to Zach? Heck no, but Zach would never have put himself in that position.
agree with Aarvark...cheap as they come? sorry but as he said patterson brought that on himself..it was a hard hit, unlike many on a quarterback (that we've seen on collaros) it wasn't a spear, it wasn't a head shot, he didn't jump on him when he was down, etc was it even flagged? If they didn't want their qb hit take a knee or throw the ball away sooner
(if it were Collaros in that position do you think Sask players would hold up and not take the opportunity to lay a hit on him?_
Quote from: Pete on July 20, 2024, 09:38:48 PMagree with Aarvark...cheap as they come? sorry but as he said patterson brought that on himself..it was a hard hit, unlike many on a quarterback (that we've seen on collaros) it wasn't a spear, it wasn't a head shot, he didn't jump on him when he was down, etc was it even flagged? If they didn't want their qb hit take a knee or throw the ball away sooner
(if it were Collaros in that position do you think Sask players would hold up and not take the opportunity to lay a hit on him?_
No , thinking about it now and reviewing the play, I agree with you guys and see why the hit happened. He definitely should have thrown the ball away. By keeping it and going down he opened himself up to the hit. I d like to chalk it up to a rookies mistake
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 10:05:32 PMNo , thinking about it now and reviewing the play, I agree with you guys and see why the hit happened. He definitely should have thrown the ball away. By keeping it and going down he opened himself up to the hit. I d like to chalk it up to a rookies mistake
Full respect for this dd.
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 21, 2024, 03:31:46 AMFull respect for this dd.
Thanks. Sometimes you see things one way and then you hear others opinions and you see things in a different light. I can now see how biggie thought Patterson was rubbing it in and for that the lumber was laid to him, as it should have been
Quote from: dd on July 21, 2024, 04:23:30 AMThanks. Sometimes you see things one way and then you hear others opinions and you see things in a different light. I can now see how biggie thought Patterson was rubbing it in and for that the lumber was laid to him, as it should have been
Biggie is chasing some tackle record, so every one counts!
Quote from: dd on July 21, 2024, 04:23:30 AMThanks. Sometimes you see things one way and then you hear others opinions and you see things in a different light. I can now see how biggie thought Patterson was rubbing it in and for that the lumber was laid to him, as it should have been
kudos bro'! Very well said. Respect your opinion whether we agree or not and even more so now. Lots of dickery in that game and I loved Biggie's response to the attempt to rub it in. Riders gotv away with OL holding and lots of dirty crap at the end of plays. Enough was enough.
I wouldn't worry about the Riders. I'm worrying whether we will now make the playoffs. 2 - 5 is not good and we still have to face BC. :(
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 21, 2024, 04:43:11 AMBiggie is chasing some tackle record, so every one counts!
Not a consideration in the least.
It was a football play, and Biggie is a football player. Patterson f'd around and found out.
Quote from: J5V on July 21, 2024, 02:15:02 PMkudos bro'! Very well said. Respect your opinion whether we agree or not and even more so now. Lots of dickery in that game and I loved Biggie's response to the attempt to rub it in. Riders gotv away with OL holding and lots of dirty crap at the end of plays. Enough was enough.
Thanks, and thats the beauty of this forum, you don't have to agree with what everyone says, and quite often you don't, but sometimes, after you read what others have said and think about it, you see things from a different perspective and are the better man for it.
Biggie should have made that hit during the previous 59:40 seconds! Lol!
Good to see the boys rallied around him. When do we play those precks next?
Quote from: DM83 on July 21, 2024, 08:22:58 PMBiggie should have made that hit during the previous 59:40 seconds! Lol!
Good to see the boys rallied around him. When do we play those precks next?
Annual meeting around Labour Day!
Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on July 20, 2024, 11:16:28 AMWe were beaten by a much better Rider team today plain and simple and it hurts to admit that....
But they weren't. It was 6-6 at HT. Both teams were awful. SSK O is as bad, or worse, than ours. Without the 2 DPI gifts
on 2nd down when they'd be off the field, our team would have had 2 more series. Without the also-dubious DH calls (rarely seen in the CFL), we likely also have 2 more series (that's 4 series total).
Even with all of the above, we were probably a Demski fumble from pulling out a win in this game. SSK D was a bit better than ours, but (strangely) not by too much. ST was a wash, with maybe the edge to us.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 20, 2024, 01:08:51 PMDid you see how much time Patterson had to throw? He completed 68% of his passes. His receivers dropped a couple or it would have been even higher. Patterson broke contain a few times and it cost us.
I'm not going to re-watch this game, but you should. How often did we stop a 2nd and long? Focus specifically on Thomas.
6-6 at the half. Patterson basically had one good drive in the 3rd, and everything else came later when we were down by 7+, and by the mid-4th the D was out of gas and demoralized from the ref lies. I'd be demoralized too. How do you beat that? You make great plays on 2nd down to get them off the field and the refs just snatch that from in front of your eyes?
Morale is 30% of the game. They took that away from us (and it wasn't too hot to begin with with our bad record).
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 20, 2024, 03:06:41 PMThe horrible reffing went both ways. We got a bad PI to keep a drive alive & the Ref got in the way of Alford on the missed 61 yarder stopping him from catching it on the fly. We had 2 horrible PI's against us.
The ref was in the exact position the ref is told to be in. They aren't hockey refs jumping and dodging: they have a set position they must be in on certain plays.
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 20, 2024, 03:06:41 PMCollaros has lost it, but he still thinks he has it. That's causing him to try and make plays that he no long can.
Well, that is waaay better than Collaros losing it and thinking he lost it. What you believe about yourself in your head is maybe up to 50% of what you'll show on the field. No one who thinks they suck will be any good. For those of you who have young kids, see: The Little Engine That Could. It's one of the daily messages around my house. No saying "I can't do it!".
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 20, 2024, 03:06:41 PMUs loosing Lawler & Schoen is like BC losing Hatcher & Cottoy. They're 5-1, we're 2-5. We need to look elsewhere to find out why we are sucking this year. IMO: On D it's Biggie & Alexander. On O it's Collaros & the OL.
No, us loosing Lawler is like BC losing Hollins, us losing Schoen is like BC losing McInnis. And if BC didn't have those 2, they'd suck as bad as we do.
Quote from: Jesse on July 20, 2024, 03:34:49 PMFor the record, Patterson told media that Bighill made a football play and he had every right to hit him.
And MOS said post-game extremely clearly (rare for MOS) that the Biggie hit was 100% legit and ok. Normally he does the "we'll watch the film", "I don't know", "player X has honor" schtick. Not this time: this time he went straight for the "clean play" message. That's all I need to know.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 20, 2024, 03:38:33 PMHad the right and needing to in that situation are not the same thing. The game was over.
Yes, for 2.5s. Patterson could have just taken the knee. He can see the clock. He knows exactly how long he needs to dance. His internal timer knew he was done.
I ask again: would anyone say boo about Biggie's hit if it was mid-3rd Q?? No? Then it's a clean hit.
If you want to complain, complain to BC for ruining V-formation for everyone in the CFL going forward. BC was the first team to switch from "we're going V to end it" to "we're gonna steal some last second points after tricking you with V".
Quote from: theaardvark on July 20, 2024, 03:52:03 PMRefs were bad, but we should have been better. Did the ref's calling super tight make our DBs back off? I think Holm has shown over the years, and Ford this year, that they are well capable of making big plays. But I think the concern over getting called for phantom PI may have affected how close they played to the Rec and the ball.
This is a great point! Thanks for that. Not only do they get horribly demoralized having to fight lying refs, but they then have to play "abnormally" and be extra-soft and careful. That's going to affect your performance, and (along with fatigue) could help explain how they really started falling off later in the 4th.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 20, 2024, 03:52:03 PMWe got outplayed. our best players were not our best players, especially Zach. Picks, bad throws, bad scrambles, bad reads. And that ride and decide where he didn't let go after Brady had it secured was ridiculous.
The Zach ride & decide was a
designed RB or QB run. Zach (probably) got to decide. It's the same play we gave Strev a ton in the Strev-start game. There was no pass option there. Either Brady or Zach had to go up the gut.
We should never run that play again with Zach. It was dumb to even make it an option. Buck needs to be honest with Zach's skillset, and being Strev is not part of it. Buck & MOS need to let Zach know he's entered his "Ricky Ray" phase. He should never scramble, unless it's the 4th Q of the GC. He doesn't have to. Ray won a GC being a pure pocket passer... so can Zach. Be who you are.
Quote from: Jesse on July 20, 2024, 05:43:16 PMI was responding to someone saying Patterson was whining and needed to grow up.
I'm sure most of you heard when Patterson whine
on-camera right after the hit, something about Biggie "not needing to do that" and "it hurt". Ya, that's kind of whining. I don't remember a QB doing that on-air right after a hit before!
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 05:49:11 PMBighill hasn't seen the last of this. You don't think every O lineman isn't going to be gunning for him?? How about Oulette?? Did you check out him yelling at Bighill. This is far from over. The old man is going to get his just due, bank on it
I'd love to see those guys get angry and gun for Biggie!! Bring it on. Biggie welcomes it. Oullette wants to butt heads with Biggie? I'll take Biggie to win that hit -- he's used to it. And if Biggie loses, well, then many people here (not me!) gets their wish of changing MLBs, eh?
Quote from: dd on July 20, 2024, 10:05:32 PMNo , thinking about it now and reviewing the play, I agree with you guys and see why the hit happened. He definitely should have thrown the ball away. By keeping it and going down he opened himself up to the hit. I d like to chalk it up to a rookies mistake
When I give the frame-by-frame breakdown and timing in a thread, make sure you read it if I'm disagreeing with you.
Not because I know better or anything, but because I can often find "proof" (like the exact timing, etc) with my high-tech setup, and I always lay all the facts out that people can't see on normal Bell/Shaw PVR setups (especially the extra-lame "cloud" ones with horrible lag & controls).
I also watch all the games (many here don't, not sure about you) and can correlate occurrences with those in other games,
such as BC setting bad precedent last week. These things can change the dynamic in subsequent games.
I also commend you for reversing, and also for the good convo and making us justify our positions. I wonder if Riderfans-forum will have a similar mea culpa?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 22, 2024, 05:21:39 AMNo, us loosing Lawler is like BC losing Hollins, us losing Schoen is like BC losing McInnis. And if BC didn't have those 2, they'd suck as bad as we do.
2023 - Receiving
Player Team Gms Rec Yds Avg YPG Lg TD Tar YAC
| Keon Hatcher (https://www.footballdb.com/players/keon-hatcher-hatchke01) | BC (https://www.footballdb.com/teams/cfl/british-columbia-lions/stats/2023) | 16 | 78 | 1,226 | 15.72 | 76.6 | 57 | 6 | 121 | 357 |
| Dalton Schoen (https://www.footballdb.com/players/dalton-schoen-schoeda01) | WPG (https://www.footballdb.com/teams/cfl/winnipeg-blue-bombers/stats/2023) | 16 | 71 | 1,222 | 17.21 | 76.4 | 71t | 10 | 111 | 316 |
| Kenny Lawler (https://www.footballdb.com/players/kenny-lawler-lawleke01) | WPG (https://www.footballdb.com/teams/cfl/winnipeg-blue-bombers/stats/2023) | 12 | 50 | 901 | 18.02 | 75.1 | 64 | 6 | 82 | 247 |
| | | | | | | | | | |
| Jevon Cottoy (https://www.footballdb.com/players/jevon-cottoy-cottoje01) | BC (https://www.footballdb.com/teams/cfl/british-columbia-lions/stats/2023) | 18 | 57 | 807 | 14.16 | 44.8 | 70t | 4 | 68 | 417 |
Really hard for me to disagree with with Doug Browns poignant comments regarding Zach. He arm strength is lacking on the long throws.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 22, 2024, 05:57:40 AMI'd love to see those guys get angry and gun for Biggie!! Bring it on. Biggie welcomes it. Oullette wants to butt heads with Biggie? I'll take Biggie to win that hit -- he's used to it. And if Biggie loses, well, then many people here (not me!) gets their wish of changing MLBs, eh?
Oullettie is Jeff Hecht!!! Two bantam roosters looking to strut, I bet AJ stands for "Also Jeff"! Clever deception to assume the identity of an American RB to extend his career.
How has Oulette not been outed for using steroids?? Just look at his puffy body and raging persona, how has he not tested positive??
Quote from: dd on July 23, 2024, 12:49:24 AMHow has Oulette not been outed for using steroids?? Just look at his puffy body and raging persona, how has he not tested positive??
Random testing. I don't know whether he is using steroids or whether he's ever been tested. To suggest something like this without proof is not acceptible.
Proof?? Just look at him, he's right out of the 1980 s WWF lineup
Quote from: dd on July 23, 2024, 01:57:45 AMProof?? Just look at him, he's right out of the 1980 s WWF lineup
He works out about 18 hours a day, he had his own workout club when he was an Argo, they started about 4:30 in the morning.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1815505088410218503
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 23, 2024, 01:39:14 AMRandom testing. I don't know whether he is using steroids or whether he's ever been tested. To suggest something like this without proof is not acceptible.
Meh. Ever since the 80's if you see a guy that looks roided, it's ok to suggest he's roided. If he is, shame on him, if not, I'm sure he couldn't care less our bingo-arms peanut gallery is accusing him.
Now, the
ironic part is Riderfans Forum spent years accusing AH33 of being roided to the max (even before "the incident"), and AH33 never had even half the muscle mass Oullette has! I wonder if they are going to start mentioning how roided Mullet Guy looks and questioning him... Hmmm?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 23, 2024, 02:09:15 AMHe works out about 18 hours a day, he had his own workout club when he was an Argo, they started about 4:30 in the morning.
And he's the Liver King! I guess if you eat 5lb of liver a day you too can have muscles like that. And clogged arteries.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 23, 2024, 12:19:22 AMOullettie is Jeff Hecht!!! Two bantam roosters looking to strut, I bet AJ stands for "Also Jeff"! Clever deception to assume the identity of an American RB to extend his career.
I think you solved the puzzle! Hair matches up too!
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 22, 2024, 02:43:11 PM2023 - Receiving
Stats-wise, I'll grant you that. Body-wise and game-impact-wise, and
hierarchy-level in the corps-wise, I'll stick with my analogy. Remember, Cottoy is like their 5th read. And Hatcher was usually 3rd read. When they come back, they all will take a back seat to new phenom McInnis.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 23, 2024, 04:26:53 AMStats-wise, I'll grant you that. Body-wise and game-impact-wise, and hierarchy-level in the corps-wise, I'll stick with my analogy. Remember, Cottoy is like their 5th read. And Hatcher was usually 3rd read. When they come back, they all will take a back seat to new phenom McInnis.
McInnis only got 690 yards last year. He's picked up the slack for Hatcher in a big way this year. That kind of receiver is exactly what we are missing. A guy who makes the most of his chances and runs with them.
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 23, 2024, 02:16:27 PMMcInnis only got 690 yards last year. He's picked up the slack for Hatcher in a big way this year. That kind of receiver is exactly what we are missing. A guy who makes the most of his chances and runs with them.
Umm McInnis has been in the league for five seasons and has played 58 games. He is not an example of a guy who makes the "most of his chances". He's an example of patient draft and develop by the Lions. For context, Pokey Wilson has more receptions AND receiving yards in his first 7 GAMES than McInnis has in his first two SEASONS.
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 23, 2024, 02:16:27 PMMcInnis only got 690 yards last year. He's picked up the slack for Hatcher in a big way this year. That kind of receiver is exactly what we are missing. A guy who makes the most of his chances and runs with them.
The QB also has to hit the receiver in stride to get yards after catch. We haven't really hit many of those.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 23, 2024, 02:30:33 PMUmm McInnis has been in the league for five seasons and has played 58 games. He is not an example of a guy who makes the "most of his chances". He's an example of patient draft and develop by the Lions. For context, Pokey Wilson has more receptions AND receiving yards in his first 7 GAMES than McInnis has in his first two SEASONS.
Ya, because McInnis was treated as the "hide-the-NAT" player in SSK. He almost never got any reads. Granted, he may have still been learning. And maybe it took a coach that appreciated a big-body tough-guy receiver to reach his full potential.
There's no argument now that McInnis is the league top R, I do believe. Not bad for a hidden NAT!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 24, 2024, 04:50:09 AMYa, because McInnis was treated as the "hide-the-NAT" player in SSK. He almost never got any reads. Granted, he may have still been learning. And maybe it took a coach that appreciated a big-body tough-guy receiver to reach his full potential.
There's no argument now that McInnis is the league top R, I do believe. Not bad for a hidden NAT!
He took the route that the majority of Canadian players do. They need time. No one was hiding him. Here's some conjecture for you, since you like him so much.
Justin McInnis From: Pierrefonds, Quebec
6 foot 5, 210 lbs
Played at Arkansas State and was largely a depth player (1,548 yards, 10 TDs)
Played his first game in the CFL at age 24.
Had 149 receiving yards in his rookie CFL season; no TDs
Kevens Clercius From: Montreal, Quebec
6 foot 2, 217 lbs
Played at UConn and was largely a depth player (604 yards, 5 TDs)
Played his first game in the CFL at age of 24.
Currently has 113 yards in his rookie CFL season (7 games); no TDs
Are we hiding Clercius? Do our coaches not appreciate him enough?
Note: I think McInnis was the better prospect coming into the league but the situations are incredibly similar.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 24, 2024, 02:19:42 PMHe took the route that the majority of Canadian players do. They need time. No one was hiding him. Here's some conjecture for you, since you like him so much.
Justin McInnis
From: Pierrefonds, Quebec
6 foot 5, 210 lbs
Played at Arkansas State and was largely a depth player (1,548 yards, 10 TDs)
Played his first game in the CFL at age 24.
Had 149 receiving yards in his rookie CFL season; no TDs
Kevens Clercius
From: Montreal, Quebec
6 foot 2, 217 lbs
Played at UConn and was largely a depth player (604 yards, 5 TDs)
Played his first game in the CFL at age of 24.
Currently has 113 yards in his rookie CFL season (7 games); no TDs
Are we hiding Clercius? Do our coaches not appreciate him enough? Note: I think McInnis was the better prospect coming into the league but the situations are incredibly similar.
He could be an amazing future weapon.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 24, 2024, 02:25:28 PMHe could be an amazing future weapon.
Yes, he's looked good and could well become a full time starter. I realize he's starting now but that is due to Bomber injury issues at the moment. It does give him the chance to seize this opportunity.
But I would think when Lawler returns he may get bumped to back up.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 24, 2024, 02:51:56 PMBut I would think when Lawler returns he may get bumped to back up.
You think the obvious my friend! ;)
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 24, 2024, 02:19:42 PMHe took the route that the majority of Canadian players do. They need time. No one was hiding him. Here's some conjecture for you, since you like him so much.
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Are we hiding Clercius? Do our coaches not appreciate him enough?
Note: I think McInnis was the better prospect coming into the league but the situations are incredibly similar.
I don't like McInnis so much... I just play fantasy and for a few weeks he blew the entire league out of the water on fantasy points. That makes me take notice. A couple of weeks if you had McInnis and you made him your "captain" you were getting almost 100 points just from 1 player. To put that in perspective, you're often lucky to get 100 points off of your entire roster!
As for the other parts... you know the answers as well as I do. 10% of NAT Rs turn into a Demski or McInnis or Philpot The Great. 20% turn into Woli. (Rough numbers.) Many more turn into Petermann (who is now gone?). Even more don't even last 1 season, or even TC.
So Clercius may look a lot like McInnis on paper, sure. But it's anyone's guess whether in 3-4 seasons he's McInnis or Petermann. If he does turn into McInnis then we may be striking gold!
However, like often happens with QBs, sometimes the team that suffers through the "dev time" with an R is not the team that reaps the all-star rewards. Demski in SSK vs WPG. McInnis in SSK vs WPG. (Wait, I'm sensing a theme... NAT Rs suck in SSK then flower with "real" teams, LOL.)
https://www.cfl.ca/2024/07/25/three-players-fined-after-week-7-games/
Quote from: jayrock on July 25, 2024, 09:11:05 PMhttps://www.cfl.ca/2024/07/25/three-players-fined-after-week-7-games/
Biggie fined on a flagless play. Lol. What a joke.
MBT can go home and never come back.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 25, 2024, 09:14:28 PMBiggie fined on a flagless play. Lol. What a joke.
MBT can go home and never come back.
Ridiculous that Biggie got fined. Total joke.
What did MBT say? I missed that.
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 25, 2024, 10:11:59 PMRidiculous that Biggie got fined. Total joke.
What did MBT say? I missed that.
google it,it is must see TV. drama Queen BS. lol
I see both sides of the biggie hit. Ya, Patterson shouldn't have run around Teasing the bombers and rubbing the lose in-should have thrown it away, but I can see the leagues side of things as if they let that slide, what happens on the next last play of the game. I think biggies fine was all about putting out future fires associated with last play of the game
Quote from: jayrock on July 25, 2024, 09:11:05 PMhttps://www.cfl.ca/2024/07/25/three-players-fined-after-week-7-games/
And the screwing from Regina just continues to roll. I always preferred Saskatoon anyway. :-)
Did they fine any officials for unfair calls?
I hope the fine was $1
Biggie's teammates will gladly chip in as would most Bomber fans. When we beat the Riders in the playoffs we can look back on the "Travesty in Regina" and Adam Bighill's response to it as the turning point of our season.
It is not surprising or inflammatory that he was fined.
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 25, 2024, 10:11:59 PMRidiculous that Biggie got fined. Total joke.
"driving Saskatchewan quarterback Shea Patterson into the ground"
That's fair(ish). They are making it clear Biggie had every right to tackle or push him, he just should have eased up a bit with the follow-through. I can live with that.
However, I'm pretty sure our rule book doesn't have a "full weight" RTP rule, does it? If so, where is the league pulling this "driving into the ground" rule from? Their butt? They can't just make stuff up and fine players. (Can Biggie appeal?)
My question, as always, is: If this is the middle of the 3rd Q and Biggie does it, does he get a penalty/fine then? No? Then this is BS. 0's on the clock doesn't mean you play any differently if the QB is
trying to make a play.
My biggest disappointment is no comment on the 2 horrifically bad DPI calls that may have cost us the game? ...
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 25, 2024, 09:14:28 PMMBT can go home and never come back.
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Quote from: Pete on July 25, 2024, 10:58:34 PMDid they fine any officials for unfair calls?
This. I hope they all got crappy grades.