Blue Bombers transactions - May 8, 2024
WINNIPEG, MB., May 8, 2024 - The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announce the following transactions:
Added to roster:
Global linebacker Fabian Weitz (6-0, 200, Cologne Centurions (European League of Football))
Global defensive back/linebacker Lucky Ogbevoen (6-2, 223, Tirol Raiders (ELF))
American linebacker Tre Thomas (6-1, 200, South Dakota)
American linebacker Dylan Moses (6-3, 240, Alabama)
American defensive back Bill Hackett (5-7, 180, Albany)
American defensive back CJ Siegel (6-0, 180, North Dakota)
American offensive lineman Chidi Okeke (6-6, 315, Tennessee State)
American linebacker John Petrishen (6-1, 225, Pittsburgh)
TC is going to be off the chain... there is a lot of talent to go through, I hope MOS has a good crew of guest coaches to put more eyes on these guys.
Moses was a pretty intriguing NFL prospect not too long ago. Okeke is listed as Global on Wikipedia, is that's true could be an intriguing Global option
Quote from: kkc60 on May 08, 2024, 03:47:11 PMMoses was a pretty intriguing NFL prospect not too long ago. Okeke is listed as Global on Wikipedia, is that's true could be an intriguing Global option
CFL.CA lists him as American, he was born in Nigeria, but he was signed in SSK in spring 2021 of the delayed COVID season, not sure if he saw the field at all, as well as NFL PRs and USFL/FL starting spots, so not sure if he can claim Global status.
Introduced with the 2019 CBA, a global player is defined as "Any player who does not hold Canadian or American citizenship, and has not been physically resident in Canada for an aggregate period of five (5) years prior to attaining the age of eighteen (18) years, or who does not qualify as a National in any other way.I guess if he doesn't have American citizenship... having a Global OT would be very, very interesting. Especially one that was ranked #2 nationally at OT coming out of HS, and #22 overall.
Has been quite a lot of places for a 27 year old.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 08, 2024, 04:34:40 PMCFL.CA lists him as American, he was born in Nigeria, but he was signed in SSK in spring 2021 of the delayed COVID season, not sure if he saw the field at all, as well as NFL PRs and USFL/FL starting spots, so not sure if he can claim Global status.
Introduced with the 2019 CBA, a global player is defined as "Any player who does not hold Canadian or American citizenship, and has not been physically resident in Canada for an aggregate period of five (5) years prior to attaining the age of eighteen (18) years, or who does not qualify as a National in any other way.
I guess if he doesn't have American citizenship... having a Global OT would be very, very interesting. Especially one that was ranked #2 nationally at OT coming out of HS, and #22 overall.
Has been quite a lot of places for a 27 year old.
A global OT would only take the place of an import OT. Not particularly an advantage since he can't replace a Canadian starter.
If he's better than any of the import OT's then sure start him.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 08, 2024, 05:14:37 PMA global OT would only take the place of an import OT. Not particularly an advantage since he can't replace a Canadian starter.
If he's better than any of the import OT's then sure start him.
We have to have one GLB on the AR. To have that guy as a legit starting OT, bonus. Rather than a P.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 08, 2024, 06:30:49 PMWe have to have one GLB on the AR. To have that guy as a legit starting OT, bonus. Rather than a P.
Nope. The number of imports is set. It just means you have an import not starting instead of a global. It's a wash in the ratio. We're still likely to continue with the global punter.
So where is the advantage? As in the case with Hansen, the global is usually a rotation player only with an import. In your example you just create the opposite but equal option.
Now if the back up OT is actually a Canadian, then that extra import could be a different position.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 08, 2024, 05:14:37 PMA global OT would only take the place of an import OT. Not particularly an advantage since he can't replace a Canadian starter.
But it is, because the 1 (2?) GLOB(s) is a "free dress".
Quote from: theaardvark on May 08, 2024, 06:30:49 PMWe have to have one GLB on the AR. To have that guy as a legit starting OT, bonus. Rather than a P.
I thought all teams were forced to 2 GLOB on the AR?!? We certainly have always dressed 2 (like Shehan and Hansen for some of last season, Shehan and Maruo for other parts, etc).
Are you telling me all these years we've been dressing 2 when we only had to dress 1. That would mean our scouts couldn't find an IMP as good as the (meh) GLOBs?!? Surely that's impossible.
If we stick with the Shehan experiment, and Maruo is gone, then having a GLOB OT that is at least as good as our NAT OT options means you get a free, dressed, extra OL. Then you don't have to dress a 2nd non-starting NAT OL, and that frees up a rotation spot for DL or LB. The catch is the GLOB OL must be at least as good as our 7th OL.
The 2019 CBA had the Global requirement increased from 1 to 2 for the 2021 season.
That was changed in the 2022 CBA. Rosters were reduced from 45 to 44 players with 1 Global required to dress. Teams can elect to dress 1 additional player and that player can either be National or Global.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 09, 2024, 01:37:41 AMBut it is, because the 1 (2?) GLOB(s) is a "free dress".
I thought all teams were forced to 2 GLOB on the AR?!? We certainly have always dressed 2 (like Shehan and Hansen for some of last season, Shehan and Maruo for other parts, etc).
Are you telling me all these years we've been dressing 2 when we only had to dress 1. That would mean our scouts couldn't find an IMP as good as the (meh) GLOBs?!? Surely that's impossible.
If we stick with the Shehan experiment, and Maruo is gone, then having a GLOB OT that is at least as good as our NAT OT options means you get a free, dressed, extra OL. Then you don't have to dress a 2nd non-starting NAT OL, and that frees up a rotation spot for DL or LB. The catch is the GLOB OL must be at least as good as our 7th OL.
Still nope. Dressing the 2nd global comes at the cost of a Canadian. The number of imports is a constant whether they are starting or just rotational players.
Your " catch " is as big as they come. The closest we came to a global that performed reasonably well as a rotational player was Hansen. Even then he was never going to be the next man up.
In 2023 we were starting 8 or 9 Canadians at times and had 2 global players on the roster at times.
It was hard to keep up with the depth chart and who were DI's and who were non starting imports.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 09, 2024, 01:07:14 PMStill nope. Dressing the 2nd global comes at the cost of a Canadian. The number of imports is a constant whether they are starting or just rotational players.
Your " catch " is as big as they come. The closest we came to a global that performed reasonably well as a rotational player was Hansen. Even then he was never going to be the next man up.
In 2023 we were starting 8 or 9 Canadians at times and had 2 global players on the roster at times.
It was hard to keep up with the depth chart and who were DI's and who were non starting imports.
The key here is Okeke could be starting OT. Starting. And with the Global wages restructured, we could dress him without taking an American spot on the roster.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 09, 2024, 02:44:26 PMThe key here is Okeke could be starting OT. Starting. And with the Global wages restructured, we could dress him without taking an American spot on the roster.
Not true. Additional Globals on the roster mean you dress less Americans. You don't get to have a bigger roster. It's always the same size. So dressing Sheahan AND Okeke means we dress one less American (not one less National). If he's the best guy for the job, great, but it makes no difference in practice.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on May 09, 2024, 04:24:38 PMNot true. Additional Globals on the roster mean you dress less Americans. You don't get to have a bigger roster. It's always the same size. So dressing Sheahan AND Okeke means we dress one less American (not one less National). If he's the best guy for the job, great, but it makes no difference in practice.
Did you read this?
That was changed in the 2022 CBA. Rosters were reduced from 45 to 44 players with 1 Global required to dress. Teams can elect to dress 1 additional player and that player can either be National or Global.
Take a look at the depth chart for the last game in 2023 against the Lions. Hansen and Sheehan. 23 imports and 20 Canadians.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 09, 2024, 04:43:40 PMDid you read this?
That was changed in the 2022 CBA. Rosters were reduced from 45 to 44 players with 1 Global required to dress. Teams can elect to dress 1 additional player and that player can either be National or Global.
Take a look at the depth chart for the last game in 2023 against the Lions. Hansen and Sheehan. 23 imports and 20 Canadians.
You're right. I forgot about the change with the optional added 45 player. Teams can dress a second global while still dressing the maximum 19 Americans (it comes at the cost of a Canadian). Should they decide to dress any more than that - it costs American player spots.
So, for example, we can have Okeke and Sheahan and 19 Americans. If we wanted Okeke, Sheahan and Weitz we could only have 18 Americans (which makes it extremely unlikely we would do that).
Sorry Aards! Your suggestion does mean there's an advantage should Okeke be the guy. It would also make it really hard (probably impossible) for the other globals to crack the roster so long as Sheahan remains the punter.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on May 09, 2024, 05:30:50 PMYou're right. I forgot about the change with the optional added 45 player. Teams can dress a second global while still dressing the maximum 19 Americans (it comes at the cost of a Canadian). Should they decide to dress any more than that - it costs American player spots.
So, for example, we can have Okeke and Sheahan and 19 Americans. If we wanted Okeke, Sheahan and Weitz we could only have 18 Americans (which makes it extremely unlikely we would do that).
Sorry Aards! Your suggestion does mean there's an advantage should Okeke be the guy. It would also make it really hard (probably impossible) for the other globals to crack the roster so long as Sheahan remains the punter.
Say what? Okeke is an import not a global. Also we did roster that 2nd global last year with Hansen as the 2nd one.
However we ended up with a bunch of Canadians injured and essentially ran out of choices.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 09, 2024, 05:41:47 PMSay what? Okeke is an import not a global. Also we did roster that 2nd global last year with Hansen as the 2nd one.
However we ended up with a bunch of Canadians injured and essentially ran out of choices.
...This whole conversation started because Okeke (although probably incorrectly) is listed as a Global on Wikipedia. Hence why Aardvark suggested he could be rostered without taking an American spot. Obviously if he's American he will always take up an American spot (as is likely the case).
I am thinking the Wiki listing might assume he is from his birthplace, but since he previously signed in SSK as I presume an American, I don't think you can go back and become a Global. Who was the guy that OTT didn't sign as an American becasue he qualified as a NAT, and then he signed elsewhere?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on May 09, 2024, 05:48:39 PM...This whole conversation started because Okeke (although probably incorrectly) is listed as a Global on Wikipedia. Hence why Aardvark suggested he could be rostered without taking an American spot. Obviously if he's American he will always take up an American spot (as is likely the case).
Well he would have been half right. He wouldn't have taken an American spot whether he started or not. From a ratio point of view, we'd still have to start 7 Canadians. More if we choose. We'd just have a few imports not starting but not DI's either. 19 + 4 DI's is the constant.
There might be the odd exception if you have a few extra Canadians that are better than a DI or extra choice.
Odds are against that.
Thanks for the clarification. I thought the post-covid 2->1 reduction had been changed back to 2 for '23...
And it certainly seemed that way because I just checked my pile of '23 WPG depth charts and every game we dressed 2 GLOB! Half the year it was Maruo, half Hansen, and always with Shehan.
You guys must be right in that too many of our NAT were injured (especially the full-season Miller) so it really was a case of the next-best-option being a GLOB!
And Maruo wasn't bad. I think he was as good as any NAT LB we usually dress.
But the point about the "free dress" still stands, it's just for 1 guy, not 2. If you had a good GLOB OT who was better than your 7th OL then for sure you dress him as your free dress. Unless you are using up that free dress on a P...?
Does anyone know when the league is going back to 2 dressed GLOB? Remember the plan was for them to force 3 dressed GLOB! Lol
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 09, 2024, 09:24:53 PMThanks for the clarification. I thought the post-covid 2->1 reduction had been changed back to 2 for '23...
And it certainly seemed that way because I just checked my pile of '23 WPG depth charts and every game we dressed 2 GLOB! Half the year it was Maruo, half Hansen, and always with Shehan.
You guys must be right in that too many of our NAT were injured (especially the full-season Miller) so it really was a case of the next-best-option being a GLOB!
And Maruo wasn't bad. I think he was as good as any NAT LB we usually dress.
But the point about the "free dress" still stands, it's just for 1 guy, not 2. If you had a good GLOB OT who was better than your 7th OL then for sure you dress him as your free dress. Unless you are using up that free dress on a P...?
Does anyone know when the league is going back to 2 dressed GLOB? Remember the plan was for them to force 3 dressed GLOB! Lol
I'd bet money that there is no movement towards 3 global players this year. Bombers had two on the roster and the draft was only 2 rounds. So we've got 4 in total in camp. Not exactly any level of competition.
Obviously we're likely going with Sheehan as the punter. Going with the 2nd is a TBD. However, two 2024 rookies and Karamoko fighting to beat out 8 Canadians drafted this year and few returning from last year. Rosery for example.
The global players are LB's and DB's. There must be a group of 15 ( both NI and I ) fighting for roster spots. About 8 LB's fighting for roster spots.
Count me as surprised if we roster 2 global players unless we have to. I don't think it is mandated but it's been a slippery slope of information.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 09, 2024, 10:22:19 PMI'd bet money that there is no movement towards 3 global players this year. Bombers had two on the roster and the draft was only 2 rounds. So we've got 4 in total in camp. Not exactly any level of competition.
Obviously we're likely going with Sheehan as the punter. Going with the 2nd is a TBD. However, two 2024 rookies and Karamoko fighting to beat out 8 Canadians drafted this year and few returning from last year. Rosery for example.
The global players are LB's and DB's. There must be a group of 15 ( both NI and I ) fighting for roster spots. About 8 LB's fighting for roster spots.
Count me as surprised if we roster 2 global players unless we have to. I don't think it is mandated but it's been a slippery slope of information.
It probably is a bit unlikely. It will just come down to whether either of the two linebackers from this year's global draft can offer better special teams upside than our final Canadian. I wouldn't be surprised but it's probably unlikely.