Suggested Personnel Decisions

[Tecno]

Kelly isn't a rookie, the dline applied pressure the qb threw a duck, and there wasn't even a thought of intercepting it. To be satisfied that he even was able to touch the ball is sad. Dbs have to be coached up to look for these opportunities. Edmonton obviously does with 27 interceptions made vs our 9.

Ya, but how many of EDM's INTs were made by non-starters like Kelly?  IOW, how many by backups who come in only for special sets?  Ya, probably the same as WPG: near zero.

You really can't expect Ford-level performance out of Kelly.  If Kelly could do Ford level, he'd be starting and paid like Ford.

I agree with your other point about the coaching/scheme.  I bet you anything Kelly has been strictly told that he's to bat it down there.  If you try for an INT, you can tip the ball up and let the REC still get the TD.  Leave those riskier plays for the starters... though we probably both wonder if those guys are not given the same instructions...

[Tecno]

First season starting for jake Kelly, he had some hiccups early on but I think he's going to be a staple at Safety for a few more years. He has the athleticism to be a great safety he just needs to put on more muscle and pickup the ability to read the offence from Kramdi and Holm.

Well, he only started a few/bunch games when Kramdi was out.  I wouldn't refer to him as a "starter" for this convo -- it confuses the reality.

I agree that Kelly is one to watch and may dev into a legit FS1 (as opposed to the FS2 he is now).  And he seems to grok Younger's schemes, which is good.  He seems to be pretty quick, and not at all stupid.  There's been a few times this season he managed to position himself in between ball & REC... and that's a promising thing.

Did we draft him?  He's doing way more for us than 1RDP Shay is!!

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Well, he only started a few/bunch games when Kramdi was out.  I wouldn't refer to him as a "starter" for this convo -- it confuses the reality.

I agree that Kelly is one to watch and may dev into a legit FS1 (as opposed to the FS2 he is now).  And he seems to grok Younger's schemes, which is good.  He seems to be pretty quick, and not at all stupid.  There's been a few times this season he managed to position himself in between ball & REC... and that's a promising thing.

Did we draft him?  He's doing way more for us than 1RDP Shay is!!

2023: 2nd round, 15th overall pick.

[Pete]

Ya, but how many of EDM's INTs were made by non-starters like Kelly?  IOW, how many by backups who come in only for special sets?  Ya, probably the same as WPG: near zero.

You really can't expect Ford-level performance out of Kelly.  If Kelly could do Ford level, he'd be starting and paid like Ford.

I agree with your other point about the coaching/scheme.  I bet you anything Kelly has been strictly told that he's to bat it down there.  If you try for an INT, you can tip the ball up and let the REC still get the TD.  Leave those riskier plays for the starters... though we probably both wonder if those guys are not given the same instructions...

starters in youngers defense is only a loose term. Kelly played at least 50% of the snaps. I agree he has shown growth in wrapping up receivers rather than just getting in their way, and has become a good fs2. Hopefully he can take the next step.
(btw edm had 11 players with an interception with over 300 inter return yd we had 7 players and a total of 28 interception return yds )

[Tecno]

starters in youngers defense is only a loose term. Kelly played at least 50% of the snaps. I agree he has shown growth in wrapping up receivers rather than just getting in their way, and has become a good fs2. Hopefully he can take the next step.
(btw edm had 11 players with an interception with over 300 inter return yd we had 7 players and a total of 28 interception return yds )

Kelly was way less than 50%.  Not every 2nd down is a "passing down" with the passing down set.  Many are short and thus a run threat.  Some are in tempo and you can't get a Kelly sub in.  My guess would be 25% (excluding games he started, of course).

Out of 11 EDM INTers, I still bet 90% of actual INTs went to starters.

Not to be pedantic!  Although I am...  I do agree with your general gist. 

[Waffler]

What component of the D do you think needs improvement? Of course there are a few individuals that could be upgraded but overall, between the D-line, LB's and secondary I was pleased with their performance by the end of the year.

It can always be debated whether Younger's system worked as well as it could, but that too improved as the season progressed.

I think people forget how many games we lost in the last few minutes. I don't ever want to see rush 3 again as long as I live. The things that could make us better are QB pressures/sacks and take aways. That probably goes hand in hand but I don't think we have any real ball hawks in the secondary.

The all-star team hasn't been announced (Nov 19) but the CFLPA version has, from the D we have only ONE. Ceresna.

So, I am happy like every one that we got better down the stretch but we are still not close to championship caliber. I feel it is more a case of they played over their heads at the right time.