Condell needs to go. Fans should force same by not renewing season tickets

[GOLDMEMBER]

If you want a Burn The Witches guy today, it's Demski.  He whiffs on a TD catch that Snead & Philpot probably make.  Then he whiffs on the key block that causes the fumble that takes away another TD or FG.

Brady's the backup witch with his early momentum-killing fumble.  No other RB in history fumbles in every single post-season game.

Demski is also NEVER open in the middle or flat.  He's either behind coverage on the rare occasion for the home-run, or he's invisible.  He may indeed be getting near the end.  He is getting old for a REC.

where the hell was at I'm White all night. At least Demski made some plays.

White was a failure signing.

[Tecno]

where the hell was at I'm White all night. At least Demski made some plays.

He had one screen type catch I think and one bad whiff in a zone sit?  Yes, he was a bit disappointing.  But then again, Pokey was like 1 catch too?  Clearly MTL was blanketing our guys and the scheme wasn't getting anyone open.

We also drew up zero short curls and such, which was quite surprising, but pleased me quite a bit because we have lost so many games for years on crap curls-cum-INTs.

White was a great signing because he was a TD machine in the reg season.  I'm totally keeping White in '26, hopefully at par or at a discount.

And to be fair to our RECs' numbers, we made very few pass attempts, and connected on even fewer.  We were off the field a whole ton, and the only thing we did well was run with Brady when he wasn't fumbling.

[dd]

where the hell was at I'm White all night. At least Demski made some plays.

White was a failure signing.

I don't know if he was a failure, but with Singer coming on, you got him, Wilson and Demski, so 4 decent receivers and Brady, and only 1 ball. We had as strong as a receiving corps than I ever dreamed of, and Tim White had some decent games for us, just not today. I'd like to see us bring on a decent NAT 4th receiver, or maybe they keep White for depth at a reduced cost, but future looks bright in the recieving corps. We need to improve on our pass blocking as the whiff and fumble ultimately cost us today, but lots of good to be excited about for next year. And MOS will get the most out of whomever we have, he always does, the Bombers punched way above their weight today!!

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I don't know if he was a failure, but with Singer coming on, you got him, Wilson and Demski, so 4 decent receivers and Brady, and only 1 ball. We had as strong as a receiving corps than I ever dreamed of, and Tim White had some decent games for us, just not today. I'd like to see us bring on a decent NAT 4th receiver, or maybe they keep White for depth at a reduced cost, but future looks bright in the recieving corps. We need to improve on our pass blocking as the whiff and fumble ultimately cost us today, but lots of good to be excited about for next year. And MOS will get the most out of whomever we have, he always does, the Bombers punched way above their weight today!!

Wouldn't mind them paying Cottoy enough to come to Wpg, he's played second fiddle his entire career with the Lions. Could work well with Daniels helping out with blocking and eventually replace Demski when he retires.  Condell neglects the boundary receiver position badly though, but maybe that's because it's a long dangerous throw for both Zach and Dru to make.

[Blue In BC]

I disagree.  Demski makes that TD or Zach doesn't fumble and we TD or tie, it completely fires up our D & ST.  What happened was massively deflating because we all knew the game was probably lost.

You think the D doesn't play better if we go up by 4 there??  1/3 to 1/2 the game is morale and momentum.  Instead we gave ALL of that to MTL.  So of course they come out fired up to have a long drive.

All things are NOT equal when comparing scenarios.  I bet we get that TD there, limit MTL to a FG, and then hold the ball or get another FG to win by 1 or 4.  The game was RIGHT THERE.  All of the wind was coming out of MTL.

Those plays were earlier and could have changed momentum. It doesn't change my comment or thought. I felt if we had scored either a FG or TD, the Als would march down field with the time left and we'd lose close to no time left.

It is a pattern that we can't hold the opponent from doing that most of the time while holding what would have been a small lead.

Take the Argo game where we did manage to stop them on 3rd and 1. That was nearly a completion to set up a FG.Nichols managed to save the day.

[Blue In BC]

where the hell was at I'm White all night. At least Demski made some plays.

White was a failure signing.

I wouldn't say he was a failure. Our play calling and problems with our QB's were problems. An OL that didn't give either QB time to find and hit receivers all added to that.

I think it's fair to say we have a smaller group of receivers that get out muscled at times.

White only signed a 1 year deal IIRC. I do think there is a good chance he returns unless we find and target a receiver in free agency.

Demski is an issue IMO. Aging and misses so many practices. He's often invisible and highly paid. We don't yet have a replacement but that might change in free agency as mentioned.

Cottoy is only 3 years younger than Demski and he's a different type of receiver.  Could our OC adjust a game plan accordingly with different receivers?

[bwiser]

Fans should not renew season tickets until he is out the the door

I have been hearing this nonsense since the 1970's. I remember people saying I am not going to games as long as Lunsford is GM.The bottom line is the people who saythis are not real fans and are just plain cheap!

[TBURGESS]

Condell didn't fumble; that was Brady and Collaros. We were in it until then end, but Montreal didn't make the big mistake like Toronto did. I have zero problems bringing back Condell. 

[markf]

"Fire _____________"

The usual demand from the aggrieved fan watching on tv.

[Cool Spot]

I wouldn't say he (Tim White) was a failure. Our play calling and problems with our QB's were problems. An OL that didn't give either QB time to find and hit receivers all added to that. White only signed a 1 year deal IIRC. I do think there is a good chance he returns unless we find and target a receiver in free agency.

Tim White was Wpg's leading receiver this year in terms of # of receptions and total yards. I'm not sure why some are saying he was a failure, unless the comment is scoped to only yesterday's game - in which case, all receivers have games where they have a lot of yards/catches, and games where they have much fewer.

Demski is an issue IMO. Aging and misses so many practices. He's often invisible and highly paid. We don't yet have a replacement but that might change in free agency as mentioned.

I was thinking the same thing. He has his upside, yes, but he did whiff on the block yesterday that led to the fumble. He's frequently hurt, and even in the game against Toronto he had a number of misses before redeeming himself at the end.

Still, like all of us, he is getting older, and he is paid a lot. It may be time to start thinking of other options.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Tim White was Wpg's leading receiver this year in terms of # of receptions and total yards. I'm not sure why some are saying he was a failure, unless the comment is scoped to only yesterday's game - in which case, all receivers have games where they have a lot of yards/catches, and games where they have much fewer.

I was thinking the same thing. He has his upside, yes, but he did whiff on the block yesterday that led to the fumble. He's frequently hurt, and even in the game against Toronto he had a number of misses before redeeming himself at the end.

Still, like all of us, he is getting older, and he is paid a lot. It may be time to start thinking of other options.

Demski was banged up all season and if you re-watch the games you can usually see when those injuries occurred.  It has a lot to do with his style of play, he is not as careful as White or as elusive as Pokey and he tends to get hit hard quite often. 

I think with the winter off he'll return in good health and provide at least one more  season and remain a valuable contributor.  He's still the best receiver they have at making those homerun catches that often end in the endzone.

As for White, he's efficient if not spectacular, he's fast, runs good routes, has decent hands and stays healthy. He fits in well as the #3 or 4 receiver if he's not paid as an elite receiver, no problem.  I'd put Pokey and Singer ahead of him for their ability to make the more difficult catches and gain more YAC and Demski about even because of his advanced age and wear.

[Balticfox]

Fans should not renew season tickets until he is out the the door

 

What?! Just because the Blue Bombers have descended from being the championship team to being an average team? Is there some divine mandate for the Bombers to perennially be among the very best teams? There are eight other very good teams of professionals in the league. It's tough out there! Ask the Tiger-Cats and the RedBlacks.

 

[Sir Blue and Gold]

My conclusion on the season is you could have given the keys to any OC in history and the results were always going to be a challenge. Could we go in another direction next year? Maybe. Lots of reasons I can think for and against that. But Condell did fine with what he was given and I haven't really heard any realistic solves to most of these problems below.

Challenges:
Collaros is really showing his age. He isn't mobile. His arm isn't particularly strong anymore. He got hurt a lot. Teams stopped covering that wide-side out because Collaros can't strong arm it out there regularly and if he does it takes too long to get there.

The offensive line was below average again on the whole. Pass protection was a struggle. Bryant has regressed. The interior of the line was never very good. The ball often had to come out too quickly which requires exceptional QB and WR play. It's not very sustainable in three down football.

Oliveria is not a dynamic runner. He's excellent interior guy but he can't run outside and he's never a threat to break one. This makes things easier for the defense to crowd the middle of the field and not a lot of fear that an uncovered gap will lead to much more than a first down. It's not the biggest problem on the list, but it absolutely is one.

We have the receiving talent but until Singer got in there they weren't a scary group and it's safe to say Demski, at his age, is no longer a coverage pulling threat. For much of the season, that put a big burden on Pokey and White which doesn't create the obvious scheme/coverage challenges that we enjoyed later in the year. The offensive line not being able to hold up in pass protection also really hurt White especially, who is elite but needs time to work downfield. That's why he was forced to be the bubble screen guy for the last bit of the season, essentially.

So sure, be upset the offense wasn't great, you're not wrong, but the problem isn't the play sheet or the system in this case.

[theaardvark]

Compared to last season, I think the OC did a much improved job with less talent overall.

Holding back season tickets and hoping they understand it is because they haven't replaced the OC is kinda goofy, IMHO. Letting them know you are a season ticket holder, and you'd prefer they dismiss the OC would be 1000% more effective.  1000% of zero, though, still zero.

I was happy that MOS got some qualified help on the O side.  Short of Lapo, Condell was a premium choice.  Dru falling into the WFC laps with experience in the Condell system was bonus, although I still would have preferred is Perkins had had a chance to take the field.  He got a sniff in preseason before he'd learned the CFL game, late in the year, with more time to assimilate, I think he'd have shown well, sounds like MOS likes him and with only him and Elgersma under contract for next year, thinking he gets a chance in preseason this time.

ZC8 was brilliant at times, which was a problem.  It gave the team hope that every game he could perform at that level.  Same with Dru.  His off the bench perfect game was amazing.  His starts, not so much.

It's like Burris.  Is good Hank or bad Frank showing up today?  The best OC on the planet cannot succeed when a QB can't make the checkdown outlet pass, or changes the play repeatedly at the line because he thinks he sees a different "picture".  I'm not saying that QB's with deep experience pools should change up plays, but in the EF, ZC8 seemed to be audibling every other play, and not getting any results from them.If you audible and it works, keep on doing it.  But if you audible and it doesn't, trust your OC's call.

Heaping blame on Condell for Singer not getting into the lineup is wrong.  Walters chooses who is on the game day roster.  Yes, Singer lit it up in camp.  But Pokey and White were ahead of him, and Vaval was not losing his returner job.  As with any KW/MOS team, the vets go until they get injured, and Singer got his shot.  Once he got in, he made sure there was no way to take him out, and I'd love to see him and Williams extended if they make it to camp after the NFL window.

I'm not unhappy to have the entire coaching crew back next year.  There is a lot to be said for continuity, and we have a lot of bright spots on the roster that would benefit from having camp start off next year where the season ended this year.  I don't think any coach was bad enough to demote/dismiss.  I would love to get some extra help in camp though, (yes, I'm going to say it), especially with the Oline.  If not the obvious one, maybe one of his disciples.

Protesting coaching staff through season ticket withholding gets lost in the mix with the rule change issues, player issues, traffic issues, even Hot Chocolate supply issues.  I don't think it is an effective use of a very powerful tool, there are much more effective ways to show displeasure.  Posting on here, not really one of those, we seems to be pretty much ignored and tolerated as a necessary obligation.

Telling a team sponsor you don't think a Tommy Condell run offence reflects well on their brand might get a lot more traction.

Just a thought.

[Pete]

I disagree that the offensive talent ty was less than a year ago
our recievers
ly                    ty
Wilson          wilson
Wheatfall      singer
Sterns            White
Demski          Demski
Cororan          Nield

We moved out Kolonkowski who coudn't stick with any other team
We added Broxton..who won best olineman
I also believe Dru is a better qb that Streveler
Removing Condell doesn't warrant a protest but I don't think he was remotely successful. He was brought in for Collaros  to improve his effectiveness with the strategy we have to keep him protected, how did that work out?
At times to start games Condell did have some good gameplans, but as soon as the opponent adjusted we were lost.
I cant remember a game where at half time we made some adjustments to improve our offensive play.
 I've said it before I don't understand on 2nd and long we do the same thing over and over and expect anything other than a sack 50% of the time.
The execution of the offense was inconsistent at best and showed little creativity. Sorry but we have to do better.