Who is untouchable with the rebuild?

[Blueforlife]

As usual a very narrow view on all aspects. Teams are always looking for the next replacement on an ELC. No player is above the team even the great ones.

Nah my view is constant and wide.  Your position is as expected as you gave up on Harris too early too. 

Brady was and still is king.  Father time hasn't come for him yet.  Having a top RB that can do it all, is durable, Cdn, great for the room / the community and wait for it....local, makes him our greatest asset that I believe will he retained till he retires.

Some folks were wrong about Brady this year full stop.  I will support him till the end unless the injury bug gets to him.  Just like Harris a fine wine.  Don't agree with your position but that's normal.  Yes most players are not above the team but Brady is close to an all time great and we won't turn our back on him.

The criticism of Brady this year by some has been as overstated as I have seen.  When the team struggles people often start to point fingers in the wrong direction.  Seen that behavior pre mini dynasty and its creeping back to the forum as expected.

Can't touch this (Brady) lol

[Blue In BC]

Nah my view is constant and wide.  Your position is as expected as you gave up on Harris too early too. 

Brady was and still is king.  Father time hasn't come for him yet.  Having a top RB that can do it all, is durable, Cdn, great for the room / the community and wait for it....local, makes him our greatest asset that I believe will he retained till he retires.

Some folks were wrong about Brady this year full stop.  I will support him till the end unless the injury bug gets to him.  Just like Harris a fine wine.  Don't agree with your position but that's normal.  Yes most players are not above the team but Brady is close to an all time great and we won't turn our back on him.

The criticism of Brady this year by some has been as overstated as I have seen.  When the team struggles people often start to point fingers in the wrong direction.  Seen that behavior pre mini dynasty and its creeping back to the forum as expected.

Can't touch this (Brady) lol

If we didn't give up on Harris who was becoming prone, then BO would have spent his career on the PR and / or moved on. Even the Lions decided to move on in order to spend SMS differently across their roster.

You haven't noticed that BO hardly ever practises any more and seems to fade later in games and as the season progresses?

We shouldn't need to run him 25 - 30 times a game if our offence was more versatile. It's a little like putting all our hopes in one basket. It was not surprising that the Als planned to shut him down and out the window goes our chance of winning. It's what most good teams do against the Bombers.

RB's have short careers. He still has a couple more good years but if the team around him is useless, what difference does it make?

The criticism as you call it was not about him. It was about coaching strategy ( player management ) and developing a succession plan. 

As an example many American rookies struggle in their 1st year in the CFL with a longer season. Even veterans tend to fade as their careers move forward.

[Jesse]

That new 3 year contract is problematic so I doubt we see a change at HC. We should see changes at OC and DC.

Much of the overall problems fall to Walters and also recruiting. Generally our overall talent is less than the top teams. The coaches have been out coached often as well, but greater talent overcomes many mistakes.

Yeah, I kind of forgot that MOS and Walters just re-upped.

So the simplest answer is no rebuild is happening as we are discussing it. I doubt there are any coaching changes either as MOS thinks Younger is the best and Condell probably isn't going anywhere after one year.

I can absolutely see us bringing the gang back together minus any retirements and Walters using the subsequent cap space to take big swings on any big FAs.

[Blueforlife]

If we didn't give up on Harris who was becoming prone, then BO would have spent his career on the PR and / or moved on. Even the Lions decided to move on in order to spend SMS differently across their roster.

You haven't noticed that BO hardly ever practises any more and seems to fade later in games and as the season progresses?

We shouldn't need to run him 25 - 30 times a game if our offence was more versatile. It's a little like putting all our hopes in one basket. It was not surprising that the Als planned to shut him down and out the window goes our chance of winning. It's what most good teams do against the Bombers.

RB's have short careers. He still has a couple more good years but if the team around him is useless, what difference does it make?

The criticism as you call it was not about him. It was about coaching strategy ( player management ) and developing a succession plan. 

As an example many American rookies struggle in their 1st year in the CFL with a longer season. Even veterans tend to fade as their careers move forward.

You called to give up on Harris right before he came back and dominated in the playoffs.  If we gave up on him when you suggested, we might not have had the success we did in that game.

Brady is getting older, yes has some nagging injuries but he is also still or near the best.

The argument that Brady has less value in a rebuild is 100% off base.  He is our foundation, he will train the next gen.  In a sea of change, we need some constants.  Having a strong run game would give the team something to fall back on as our offense retools. His blocking protects our next gen QB.

Running Brady that much doesn't happen.  He has proven to be effective with less touches than that and his average is at its all time high right now.

Without Zach or a good passing game, teams can shut him down. A balanced offense bring him more consistency.

The point was some said Brady should be spelled or replaced.  That was never going to happen and has nothing to do with a coaching strategy or player management.  Its too early to worry about succession planing with Brady, but that said I would like us to develop our next RB as a Cdn if possible.  That would start in 1 to 2 years imo.

Not buying what you are selling here.  There are some on here that turned on Brady, some on the fence and some that will die on the sword for him.  He has earned my loyalty, generational talent.

The team has much to rebuild, retool and fix.  Brady ain't one of those things.  If it ain't broke.....

[Waffler]

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I've said for some time we've over paid him at the expense of having money elsewhere. ..I'd like him back but I'd like to see him take a cut ( one way or another ) down to about $225K.

You ask the impossible. He has delivered what was expected. It would be an insult to ask. BC and Montreal offered MORE than we did. As possibly the leagues 2 top teams, you assume they know what they are doing.

I think he is tradable, not sure for what. But if we do a from scratch rebuild he is one of our bigger assets.

"the Montreal Alouettes and the BC Lions reportedly engaged in an aggressive, behind-the-scenes pursuit of the superstar ball-carrier...
The explosive Winnipeg Blue Bombers megastar running back and reigning Most Outstanding Player sent seismic shockwaves through the entire Canadian Football League (CFL) ecosystem when reports surfaced that he turned down staggering, eight-figure financial packages from the Montreal Alouettes and the BC Lions."

[Pete]

its crazy to consider trading Brady, hes putting up numbers with a poor oline and a subpar OC

[dd]

We need to find a killer safety and MLB for our defense and a centre and LT for our O line and upgrade our NAT talent at reciever--bye bye Nield, Cobb, Corcoran, we need a legitimate starter who can contribute to go with Wilson, Demski, White and Singer, and oh ya, we need a QB!!!