Who is untouchable with the rebuild?

[Blueforlife]

Holm
Major
Vaval
Jones
Pokey
Demski
Brady
Taylor Elgersma
Castillo
Sheahan
Broxton
Neufeld
Singer
Smith
Leroux
Allen
Woodbey
Kramdi

Who you got?

[Blue In BC]

The simple answer is nobody is untouchable if it makes us better.

I think Allen and Woodbey are potential free agents. Long term injuries this year creates an additional risk. I don't expect them back.

Elgersma is probably back but I don't consider him untouchable.

Several players on the list are potential free agents. I'd like them back but they may choose elsewhere.

There are going to be many conversations on who replacements might be. Free agency is always going to be interesting.

A better question might be who don't we want back and / or under what circumstances.

[Waffler]

You didn't include coaches as untouchables.  A rebuild often means a total house cleaning.

At one time I would have said MOS. Not now. He is still be saying we have the talent to win here? Despite every year being a drop off from the one before since 2021. That's FIVE years of regression.  How far we have fallen from being the best was pointed out as clearly as possible in that Montreal game. MOS just becomes MORE secretive (don't take my picture in airports), MORE in denial and does what he has always done. I don't think a rebuild will happen with him here.  That said if we open the vault and somehow land Chad Kelly, I'd say that is enough to think maybe he wants to win more than stick with his players and his process. But I fear big changes are just not something he wants to do.

[Waffler]

Wade Miller is untouchable. He has been nothing but great for this franchise. He should get more kudos.

[Blue In BC]

You didn't include coaches as untouchables.  A rebuild often means a total house cleaning.

At one time I would have said MOS. Not now. He is still be saying we have the talent to win here? Despite every year being a drop off from the one before since 2021. That's FIVE years of regression.  How far we have fallen from being the best was pointed out as clearly as possible in that Montreal game. MOS just becomes MORE secretive (don't take my picture in airports), MORE in denial and does what he has always done. I don't think a rebuild will happen with him here.  That said if we open the vault and somehow land Chad Kelly, I'd say that is enough to think maybe he wants to win more than stick with his players and his process. But I fear big changes are just not something he wants to do.

That new 3 year contract is problematic so I doubt we see a change at HC. We should see changes at OC and DC.

Much of the overall problems fall to Walters and also recruiting. Generally our overall talent is less than the top teams. The coaches have been out coached often as well, but greater talent overcomes many mistakes.

[Waffler]

That new 3 year contract is problematic so I doubt we see a change at HC. We should see changes at OC and DC.

Much of the overall problems fall to Walters and also recruiting. Generally our overall talent is less than the top teams. The coaches have been out coached often as well, but greater talent overcomes many mistakes.

I agree but as we have seen in Edm and Ott a rebuild is a multi-year proposition. I think the fans have not the patience to suffer through 2 years of bottom third football only to suffer a rebuild after that.  The best time to start was yesterday as the saying goes.

[Blue In BC]

I agree but as we have seen in Edm and Ott a rebuild is a multi-year proposition. I think the fans have not the patience to suffer through 2 years of bottom third football only to suffer a rebuild after that.  The best time to start was yesterday as the saying goes.

I don't entirely disagree but who are the alternatives for HC, OC and DC? It's a multi layered issue. I fall into the 1 more year last chance strategy.

If Collaros doesn't return we shed $550K salary. Brown might be in his final year and doesn't deserve a big new deal. It should be for a # 2 QB with incentives. That should give $200K more in free agency.

Bryant, Nichols, K.Wilson and maybe Jefferson not returning creates more SMS.

Can we spend SMS wisely and gain new younger talent?

[dd]

MOS is going nowhere, he's here until he retires. And no way does Chad Kelly play on a MOS team, never.

MOS has always got the players backs, whether its taking poor penalties or poor play, he'll always defend his beloved players. He always believes in them, says the right things to hopefully motivate them to play harder, even if they're not the most talented bunch, he'll never complain about talent as that would be complaining about himself and his recruitment.

Nobody is untouchable in a rebuild. Paying Brady what we pay him is ridiculous, but i don't see that changing even though it should.

[CrazyCanuck89]

MOS is going nowhere, he's here until he retires. And no way does Chad Kelly play on a MOS team, never.

MOS has always got the players backs, whether its taking poor penalties or poor play, he'll always defend his beloved players. He always believes in them, says the right things to hopefully motivate them to play harder, even if they're not the most talented bunch, he'll never complain about talent as that would be complaining about himself and his recruitment.

Nobody is untouchable in a rebuild. Paying Brady what we pay him is ridiculous, but i don't see that changing even though it should.

Brady is worth every penny.  He is a fantastic halfback at aspects of the game.

[BBRT]

I don't entirely disagree but who are the alternatives for HC, OC and DC? It's a multi layered issue. I fall into the 1 more year last chance strategy.

If Collaros doesn't return we shed $550K salary. Brown might be in his final year and doesn't deserve a big new deal. It should be for a # 2 QB with incentives. That should give $200K more in free agency.

Bryant, Nichols, K.Wilson and maybe Jefferson not returning creates more SMS.

Can we spend SMS wisely and gain new younger talent?

I agree with your comments! Collaros, Bryant, Nichols K.Wilson and Jefferson should all be thanked for the services and sent on their way! With the freed up dollars we should be able to find some talent. However I would not stop at just the players that are past their best before date. I think we need to replace our OC and maybe even our DC - And put O'Shea on notice that he is on thin ice.

[Waffler]

Brady is worth every penny.  He is a fantastic halfback at aspects of the game.

If he is not our best player then who is?

If we have to over pay somewhere other than QB, this is the place. Better than having  Lawler's contract for example.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

From your list the only ones who we must keep are:

Holm
Williams
Vaval (as a returner)
Pokey
Broxton
Singer
Smith

[Blueforlife]

Brady is worth every penny.  He is a fantastic halfback at aspects of the game.

The suggestion by some that he isn't earning or worth the cake we pay him is so overstated on the negative

The team is average but Brady is and always will be boss

The struggles this year even had people pointed at Brady and suggested he should be spelled or replaced by Peterson, which was never going to happen or a reasonable idea

Great post

The simple answer is nobody is untouchable if it makes us better.

I think Allen and Woodbey are potential free agents. Long term injuries this year creates an additional risk. I don't expect them back.

Elgersma is probably back but I don't consider him untouchable.

Several players on the list are potential free agents. I'd like them back but they may choose elsewhere.

There are going to be many conversations on who replacements might be. Free agency is always going to be interesting.

A better question might be who don't we want back and / or under what circumstances.

Make a good point about the injuries on these two but I think we will welcome them back because they are cheap and might be very good one day

This thread is about who you think is untouchable, if want to debate, present who we don't want back start a thread for that, would be a good one.

[Blue In BC]

If he is not our best player then who is?

If we have to over pay somewhere other than QB, this is the place. Better than having  Lawler's contract for example.

I don't think that is a relevant point on a losing roster. I've said for some time we've over paid him at the expense of having money elsewhere. It has nothing to do with his performance but what team will be paying $300K for any Canadian starter in 2027.

He's under contract and I don't think any team would trade for him, so it's a catch 22 situation. I'd like him back but I'd like to see him take a cut ( one way or another ) down to about $225K.

He's not motivated to do that so where does that leave us?

[Blue In BC]

The suggestion by some that he isn't earning or worth the cake we pay him is so overstated on the negative

The team is average but Brady is and always will be boss

The struggles this year even had people pointed at Brady and suggested he should be spelled or replaced by Peterson, which was never going to happen or a reasonable idea

Great post

As usual a very narrow view on all aspects. Teams are always looking for the next replacement on an ELC. No player is above the team even the great ones.  Your phase " overstated in the negative " is an inflexible attitude unwilling to recognize realities.

He had no impact on this game. While it's not his fault it does show why it's not our best decision to pay him his salary at the cost across our roster. There are others including Collaros that were over paid.

I don't know whether Peterson will ever become a good or great RB. It should be pointed out that even Oliveria started his career on an ELC and had to replace the previous great RB.. At some point there will be a " next ". Bombers have always had great RB's.

Maybe we find the next Mike Pringle in TC next year. The point is that we should be looking for that player and not sitting pat.

You think Allen is untouchable and he's only played 10 games in 2 years. Woodbey has only played 14. Both may not even be available until mid next season. What the heck makes them untouchable. It's not even close.