Bombers need a rebuild the team is going into the toilet.

[Pete]

Rebuild isn't really a thing in the cfl with the number of players on one year contracts.
Theres really two things that this or any team needs:
A decent qb... if we continue to tank we absolutely need to see what Elgersma is capable of
B a good oline. Sask turnaround happened when they went after key pieces in the oline
Elks also invested heavily here. (you could easily argue the biggest reason for our downturn is reflected in the quality of our o line and the lack of succession planning here, not drafting effecively hasnt helped)
Most other areas you can find talent thru nfl cuts etc

[Tecno]

A decent qb... if we continue to tank we absolutely need to see what Elgersma is capable of

Elgs is capable of absolutely nothing right now.  And there's a 50/50 chance we'll get a great illustration of that in 2 weeks!!

The question really is, can Elgs do something in 2-3 seasons.  That remains to be seen.  Rourke & Alexander had to wait 2-3 seasons before starting too.

[Jesse]

Starting a rookie behind a suspect OL isn't really the best way to see what he's capable of. He's perfectly fine just where he is. Maybe he gets the last start of the season to get his feet wet.

[Horseman]

Rebuild is an offseason tactic.  There is nothing that you can do in that vein right now.

1000% correct, there are no good players waiting by the phone to be brought in to correct what ails us. We are stuck with what we have for the rest of this season then we can blow it up and rebuild. Our current team will be last in the west and there is nothing we can realistically do about it, except make cosmetic changes with the players we have here now.

[Tecno]

Our current team will be last in the west and there is nothing we can realistically do about it, except make cosmetic changes with the players we have here now.

And if that's the case, shouldn't Mafia admit it and start the prep for a better 2027??  i.e. Start the "future" like Shay & Smith, and ditch the ones who won't be re-signed in '27.

There are also other-team vet cuts coming up.  We've been successful in the past finding cast-offs that would work better in our systems.

[Blue In BC]

And if that's the case, shouldn't Mafia admit it and start the prep for a better 2027??  i.e. Start the "future" like Shay & Smith, and ditch the ones who won't be re-signed in '27.

There are also other-team vet cuts coming up.  We've been successful in the past finding cast-offs that would work better in our systems.

Especially when you consider veteran cut down rapidly approaching. I'm not 100% certain but I think it's the upcoming game.

Does O'Shea have the balls to make some changes? If he doesn't and we get smoked by the Redblacks there will be lots of discussions on what is or is not being done.

We thought beating the Redblacks before was a slam dunk. Now we're crossing our fingers.

[Blue In BC]

1000% correct, there are no good players waiting by the phone to be brought in to correct what ails us. We are stuck with what we have for the rest of this season then we can blow it up and rebuild. Our current team will be last in the west and there is nothing we can realistically do about it, except make cosmetic changes with the players we have here now.

That's not entirely true. S. Lemon would have been a good short term rental instead of Reese on the AR. I like Reese but he's still learning. Even adding him as an extra DL in rotation by making a change with our DI situation.

Same thing with G. Lewis if not for the ratio choice issues.

The Riders picked up the 2026 UFL defensive MVP in Robertson and he looked pretty good in his 1st game.

[Waffler]

MOS wants a certain kind of player. Lemon would not fit in here.

MOS's style worked great with a mostly vet team loaded with the best players at their position, just refer to the allstar selections of years past when we won. But to be so stubborn and loyal as to think THIS group can win like that? SOMETHING needs to change but it won't.

I feel like Younger's defense is going to look even worse with a shorter field. I can see a complete blowup similar to the Cal Murphy purge that brought in Reinbold happening in about 18 months time.

All we really need to do is recruit better and turf Younger.

[Blue In BC]

MOS wants a certain kind of player. Lemon would not fit in here.

MOS's style worked great with a mostly vet team loaded with the best players at their position, just refer to the allstar selections of years past when we won. But to be so stubborn and loyal as to think THIS group can win like that? SOMETHING needs to change but it won't.

I feel like Younger's defense is going to look even worse with a shorter field. I can see a complete blowup similar to the Cal Murphy purge that brought in Reinbold happening in about 18 months time.

All we really need to do is recruit better and turf Younger.

Hard to say Lemon would not be a good fit for O'Shea. At best he would have been a short term rental for the rest of the season. It would be difficult to say he's not a better player and improvement to Reese TODAY.

Mauldin was another player that became available recently signed by the Lions.  Robertson( UFL ) in Regina. All recorded stats and 2 recorded sacks.

O'Shea might " want " a certain type of player but winning versus losing trumps everything. Losing trend is more than a  blip of a few games. Status quo is not working.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Hard to say Lemon would not be a good fit for O'Shea. At best he would have been a short term rental for the rest of the season. It would be difficult to say he's not a better player and improvement to Reese TODAY.

Mauldin was another player that became available recently signed by the Lions.  Robertson( UFL ) in Regina. All recorded stats and 2 recorded sacks.

O'Shea might " want " a certain type of player but winning versus losing trumps everything. Losing trend is more than a  blip of a few games. Status quo is not working.

What are you trying to fix by bringing in Lemon, Ceresna and Willie are at the top of the league for QB sacks, why bring in another pass rusher a decade past his prime playing age? 

If anything they need a thick run stopping DT, the problem with pursuing sacks is it allows the D-line to neglect their other duties like containment and run stopping.  The D-line is supposed to be the first line of defence against the run, they shouldn't be relying on the MLB or the d-backs to clean up the mess while they pursue personal stats. Despite the sacks, I really question whether the D-line had a good game against BC when they allowed so much damage along the ground.

[LXTSN]

What are the main gripes with Condell?
I've been watching this season, and I've been relatively happy with the actual run game design. He uses lots of misdirection and it's not just a simple run up the middle like last season.
In the passing game we are now designed to include those mid-range dig routes and comeback routes that we see other teams gash us with. Historically Calgary and Hamilton have killed us with those ones.

My main gripe would be play-calling in game. But that's the toughest part. You have to stay a step ahead of the defensive play-calling, and balance out the run/pass game to keep the defense honest.

I don't think there's one thing that I could point to as the simple fix.

These are the 2 biggest things killing us on offence:

1. I think if we had a top end QB we would be in a different spot right now. Zach is getting old and Dru is probably the best backup in the league, but not much more. Having the 9th + 10th best QB's in the league does nothing. I think we'd all prefer Hamilton's situation where they have a top 3 QB, and then 2 of the worst backups in the league! It's championship or bust!

2. ZERO friskiness. 3rd and 2 on the opponents 5 yard line early in the game... GO FOR IT. I don't want to even get into this. It's really simple, you have to take some chances and that would be a very calculated risk for a reward much bigger than just 7 points. The other side of this is taking some chances in the passing game. We need to keep opposing defenses on their toes with downfield passes and maybe the odd trick play... Double pass, flee-flicker, reverse... Whatever it takes! Empty the clip!

[Tecno]

My main gripe would be play-calling in game. But that's the toughest part. You have to stay a step ahead of the defensive play-calling, and balance out the run/pass game to keep the defense honest.

Ya, Condell is not our biggest problem, or even really any problem at all.  That said, BC guessed our "is it run or pass" correctly about 80% of the time.  The LBers and FS cheated up appropriately, pre-snap.

That 2-3 crossers, but most everyone stays in the box look isn't fooling anyone.  And Condell doesn't break the tendency enough.  We're telegraphing our plays and it really hurts us.

So many other teams I have no freakin' idea what they are going to do most downs -- but with us I can predict it correctly about the same as BC did!  That's never good.

[Tecno]

If anything they need a thick run stopping DT

Ceresna is supposed to be doing that.  But he's actually not great at shedding.  And other team OL hold the heck out of you, legally, to stop the shed.

Not only can our DL not shed, but other DL's have no problem shedding our OL because ours don't hold & get physical!!  It's like the worst of every world.

Even though our pass rush has gotten pretty good, our DL run stop is actually worse than last season, and the worst its been since maybe 2016.  Which is pretty sad, because I think we have a pretty great set of guys on the DL.  Also, Fletcher may not be great at run stop, but he is good at pass rush.

I'm not sure what the solution is.

[Tecno]

Especially when you consider veteran cut down rapidly approaching. I'm not 100% certain but I think it's the upcoming game.

Does O'Shea have the balls to make some changes?

I would not be surprised to see one of the new FAs cut: Moxey or White.  White shouldn't because he's one of the only guys getting TDs, but he probably hasn't been as YDS productive as we would have liked.

Moxey is very much at risk, though.  All depends how they've decided to grade him out.  As for forever-Bomber vets -- they never get cut mid-season.

[Blueforlife]

I would not be surprised to see one of the new FAs cut: Moxey or White.  White shouldn't because he's one of the only guys getting TDs, but he probably hasn't been as YDS productive as we would have liked.

Moxey is very much at risk, though.  All depends how they've decided to grade him out.  As for forever-Bomber vets -- they never get cut mid-season.

Neither is getting cut imo paying 100 to 1 for White
10 to 1 for Moxie