Toronto (home) at Winnipeg (away)

[tlf]

let's cool the jets on anointing Dru Brown as the next doug flutie - he was on a bad team but he wasn't lighting it up and was oft injured. 

hope he is awesome

Same with ELgersma.  We have high hopes for an unproven QB in this league. I hope they work out for us here, but time will tell.

[Sway]

Safe to assume Oshea is gonna try and game manage this like always and try and eke out a 18-17 win.

But Toronto offence doesn't mess around like previous years

So maybe we get down 14 and get to see what Dru can even do.

But I know Oshea is happy doing slot runs that count as passes all day if need be to win

[Blueforlife]

Safe to assume Oshea is gonna try and game manage this like always and try and eke out a 18-17 win.

But Toronto offence doesn't mess around like previous years

So maybe we get down 14 and get to see what Dru can even do.

But I know Oshea is happy doing slot runs that count as passes all day if need be to win

Agree with none of this.  For one MOS doesn't run the O.  For two we are putting up a lot of pts for the most part and have had a high powered offense while he is here.  Zach hit the med to long ball often, less over the last few.  Dru has a decent arm and will stretch the D.  Toronto will put up some pts and so will we if:
1.OL plays well
2. Brady cooks
3. Dru can settle in and avoid turnovers

Toronto's D ranks at the bottom.

Ffffffact checked

Same with ELgersma.  We have high hopes for an unproven QB in this league. I hope they work out for us here, but time will tell.

There is reason for the hype there.  We haven't had a prosect like him for a very long time.  Has all the tools.  But yes needs time.  I think his ceiling is higher than Browns.  But Dru has proved himself already.  A great combo imo.

Brown only has to play to " not lose " per se. He can't have the entirety of the playbook yet or the chemistry with all the receivers.

He can read defences though so he may have some latitude to stretch the defence when opportunity arises.

I think it all depends on how the OL plays and if we can get the running game going. The run game opens up the passing game and generally gives the QB more time in the pocket.

A great take, agree all, well said

[Jesse]

Brown only has to play to " not lose " per se. He can't have the entirety of the playbook yet or the chemistry with all the receivers.

He can read defences though so he may have some latitude to stretch the defence when opportunity arises.

I think it all depends on how the OL plays and if we can get the running game going. The run game opens up the passing game and generally gives the QB more time in the pocket.

I don't think that's true. Not if we expect to win the game.

[Jesse]

I do think Dru Brown is better right now than Zach and that's all that should matter.
Zach should be a backup at this point but I'm not sure he sees it the same way. A great reliable backup.

What happens when Zach is healthy next week or the week after? I'm sure they will have Zach in the starting lineup again. But who will head to the PR?
Elgersma? He is a valuable asset and deemed the QB of the future for us. It's too risky.
Perkins? He has been elite at QB sneaks, even breaking a few into longer runs. We need him.
Brown? If Zach gets hurt, he is easily the next best QB on the roster. 

What is risky about putting Elgersma on the RR? He's a raw rookie out of USports. That's exactly where he should be this year.

[Blueforlife]

I don't think that's true. Not if we expect to win the game.

I believe BnBCs game plan would make our chances reasonable to win.  Will need to stretch em a bit to slow down pass rush and get Brady cooking.

I think he summed it up perfectly.

The OL and run game are key.

What is risky about putting Elgersma on the RR? He's a raw rookie out of USports. That's exactly where he should be this year.

Doesn't get as many reps for development

Tough spot too many good qbs!

[bomberjunkie]

Collaros' best years with us were when we had a rock solid O-Line and receivers who were great at scrambling to support when he got flushed out. Players like Schoen, Bailey, and Wolitarsky.

Demski used to be part of this list too, but I think he's lost a half step that makes him less effective at this.

I don't see any of this in the new group of receivers, as talented as they may be. White and Wilson feel like track runners to me and Nield seems oblivious to the play at times when he's not the target.

[Jesse]

Goal #1 for TO is going to be to shut down the run game. We can't sit here and hope that we're going to get the run game going early because unless the Argos are completely incompetent, it's not going to happen. Dru is going to need to get something going through the air or he's going to have a hard day.

When our opponents try to shut us down by shutting down the run, you can't use the run game game to open up the pass. You have to use the pass game to open up the run.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Same with ELgersma.  We have high hopes for an unproven QB in this league. I hope they work out for us here, but time will tell.

Relax Elgersma has a couple of years to develop, the NFL is not calling and he's locked in for 3 years.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Goal #1 for TO is going to be to shut down the run game. We can't sit here and hope that we're going to get the run game going early because unless the Argos are completely incompetent, it's not going to happen. Dru is going to need to get something going through the air or he's going to have a hard day.

When our opponents try to shut us down by shutting down the run, you can't use the run game game to open up the pass. You have to use the pass game to open up the run.

I think the Offence will do alright, they'll put up a moderate number of points, the test is on the Defence and whether they can restrain Chad Kelly from ripping them up. Could be a great day to improve those interception numbers for players willing to step up and grab the prize, no matter the results Kelly won't stop throwing.

[Jesse]

I think the Offence will do alright, they'll put up a moderate number of points, the test is on the Defence and whether they can restrain Chad Kelly from ripping them up. Could be a great day to improve those interception numbers for players willing to step up and grab the prize, no matter the results Kelly won't stop throwing.

We've had far and away the worst offense in the league so far. I'm hoping for the best but they are just as suspect as the D right now.

[blue_gold_84]

Collaros' best years with us were when we had a rock solid O-Line and receivers who were great at scrambling to support when he got flushed out. Players like Schoen, Bailey, and Wolitarsky.

Rock solid and still in their prime. And before other teams plucked away talent little by little (Desjarlais, Hardrick, Couture, Dobson, etc.).

This team was blessed for quite a few years with arguably the strongest, meanest O-line in the league. That's not really the case anymore as key pieces have aged out or departed in free agency, though.

Losing elite talent like Schoen and Lawler hasn't helped the WR corps, but I think the struggles on offense go back to the O-line more than who's catching the ball. It all starts in the trenches, IMO.

[dd]

I d like to see us roll Dru out on play action to buy a little more time and make some plays off the edge. Brown is alot younger, faster and more athletic than Collaros, use those attributes, don't just have him drop back and get killed.

[Blueforlife]

Goal #1 for TO is going to be to shut down the run game. We can't sit here and hope that we're going to get the run game going early because unless the Argos are completely incompetent, it's not going to happen. Dru is going to need to get something going through the air or he's going to have a hard day.

When our opponents try to shut us down by shutting down the run, you can't use the run game game to open up the pass. You have to use the pass game to open up the run.

TO run D is bad.  We will likely exploit that with the best back in the land not named Rankin.

Rock solid and still in their prime. And before other teams plucked away talent little by little (Desjarlais, Hardrick, Couture, Dobson, etc.).

This team was blessed for quite a few years with arguably the strongest, meanest O-line in the league. That's not really the case anymore as key pieces have aged out or departed in free agency, though.

Losing elite talent like Schoen and Lawler hasn't helped the WR corps, but I think the struggles on offense go back to the O-line more than who's catching the ball. It all starts in the trenches, IMO.

Game in one in the trenches, agree the OL was our strength the brought us much success but this unit might improve.

[dd]

I d like to see us roll Dru out on play action to buy a little more time and make some plays off the edge. Brown is alot younger, faster and more athletic than Collaros, use those attributes, don't just have him drop back and get killed.