Younger's defense

[markf]

I'm not sure Younger doesn't value sacks. Not based on the last game.

How many times did they blitz against Hamilton? I didn't count but watching, it seemed fairly frequent, and it didn't work. Same as when Bighill blitzed.

And how many plays were there three D linemen ? Again I didn't count, but not many.

Their offensive line, and whatever system they were using, worked and made our effort fail and in every way. Coaching and players.

But not because they didn't try to get pressure.

The actual reason is worse.

[Blueforlife]

I'm not sure Younger doesn't value sacks. Not based on the last game.

How many times did they blitz against Hamilton? I didn't count but watching, it seemed fairly frequent, and it didn't work. Same as when Bighill blitzed.

And how many plays were there three D linemen ? Again I didn't count, but not many.

Their offensive line, and whatever system they were using, worked and made our effort fail and in every way. Coaching and players.

But not because they didn't try to get pressure.

The actual reason is worse.

I think someone brought up the fact that he doesn't value sacks, completely false.  I didn't notice anything you have asked about enough to comment on but I would like to know as well.  Yes we didn't get home.  Bo was slinging nasty.

[Blue In BC]

I like Ball but has he played safety? Stuart will need much seasoning imo? Any update on Allen's injury?I think this trio of LBs would be fine with rotation of Woodbey.  And I would sprinkle in the prospects.

I'm not sure Ball saw looks at safety. I think it was more at DHB. However that suggests the ability to cover and some speed.

No idea what the injury status for Ball or Allen. Woodbey would help but it's not the trio but whether each is in the best role possible.

Just a thought, especially if the injured are not returning soon: Griffin is the same height and weight as K. Wilson or Jones. Same applies to Woodbey. It's been hard to tell exactly what his role has been when on the field. He seems faster than K. Wilson or Jones. The wouldn't have brought back JSK if that was a consideration earlier. Players are often listed as DB or LB and seem almost interchangable.


I wonder if they ever had any thought of him at either MLB or WIL and making one of the other 2 a DI if roster allows. Griffin is a good tackler, can cover and hits hard.

That would solve the problem of Kramdi moving back to safety if there is another option at safety.

The 1st practice next week might at least give updates on injury situation.

[Blueforlife]

I'm not sure Ball saw looks at safety. I think it was more at DHB. However that suggests the ability to cover and some speed.

No idea what the injury status for Ball or Allen. Woodbey would help but it's not the trio but whether each is in the best role possible.

Just a thought, especially if the injured are not returning soon: Griffin is the same height and weight as K. Wilson or Jones.

I wonder if they ever had any thought of him at either MLB or WIL and making one of the other 2 a DI if roster allows. Griffin is a good tackler, can cover and hits hard.

That would solve the problem of Kramdi moving back to safety if there is another option at safety.

The 1st practice next week might at least give updates on injury situation.

agree on Ball and Griffin, don't know enough about Griffin's skill set to know where he best fits other than I like what I see!  Do you remember if Ball could tackle well?

Many problems would be solved if Kramdi wasn't at safety, assuming his replacement is better.  I would allow a few games for our new safety to settle in even if it meant some pain in doing so.  Sometimes the best way to learn.  I would be very interested if Kramdi is ok at safety or if was pissed at the assignment.  He would likely never say.  Going point about the trio, which alignment is best, good point.  Would be interesting to know who on our team as played safety at any level at somepoint.

[Jesse]

I'm not sure Ball saw looks at safety. I think it was more at DHB. However that suggests the ability to cover and some speed.

No idea what the injury status for Ball or Allen. Woodbey would help but it's not the trio but whether each is in the best role possible.

Just a thought, especially if the injured are not returning soon: Griffin is the same height and weight as K. Wilson or Jones. Same applies to Woodbey. It's been hard to tell exactly what his role has been when on the field. He seems faster than K. Wilson or Jones. The wouldn't have brought back JSK if that was a consideration earlier. Players are often listed as DB or LB and seem almost interchangable.


I wonder if they ever had any thought of him at either MLB or WIL and making one of the other 2 a DI if roster allows. Griffin is a good tackler, can cover and hits hard.

That would solve the problem of Kramdi moving back to safety if there is another option at safety.

The 1st practice next week might at least give updates on injury situation.

I would have liked to see Cam Allen come back on when Woodsbey was injured. Go back to what was working last year.

[Blue In BC]

agree on Ball and Griffin, don't know enough about Griffin's skill set to know where he best fits other than I like what I see!  Do you remember if Ball could tackle well?

Many problems would be solved if Kramdi wasn't at safety, assuming his replacement is better.  I would allow a few games for our new safety to settle in even if it meant some pain in doing so.  Sometimes the best way to learn.  I would be very interested if Kramdi is ok at safety or if was pissed at the assignment.  He would likely never say.  Going point about the trio, which alignment is best, good point.  Would be interesting to know who on our team as played safety at any level at somepoint.

I think Ball could tackle but the ability to read the offence and to communicate to the rest of the secondary is almost more important. Ball was originally a receiver in college. That suggests an ability to read defences in order to get open. It also suggests he has good hands.

Stuart was playing CB in pre-season and was just a little late in his coverage. reports are that he has versatility to play most positions including SAM. he is inexperienced and we don't usually see a pure Canadian rookie starting.

Kramdi is a team player so I think he'll adjust to the role without complaint.

Imports don't play in college in a 5 man secondary generally, so none would have that specific experience in college. A safety needs decent speed and high football IQ. Knowing where to go within an assignment is important. It doesn't matter how fast you are if you make the wrong decisions. Day late and dollar short so to speak.

[Blue In BC]

I would have liked to see Cam Allen come back on when Woodsbey was injured. Go back to what was working last year.

Maybe. Like I said he had a small sample size of about 8 games and at times looked lost. I also mentioned a new safety means several other changes.

I thought adding 2 veteran players on defence was great. It still meant moving all 3 LB's and starting a rookie at CB and 2 rookies in the DL rotation. It will take time at best.

Here is another thought:

I don't think Nichols has lost his ability. He may have lost a bit of a step. We moved Alexander from DHB to safety. Same skill sets, High football IQ, communication skills and good tackler.

What I can't remember is who replaced him at DHB when we moved Alexander to safety. More than that we don't seem to have another DB to change to DHB.

We cut Lamont who played there in pre season so he's a possible choice. How he performed int TC I don't know. His release may have been due to lack of skill set, or just numbers.

Some of the rookies in TC would have been tested at DHB.  Did they all fail or was it a numbers game and deciding not accept a PR spot. Or is Texada also considered as the emergency replacement at both DHB and CB?

[Pigskin]

If the Bombers had of drafted Findlay at #15 last season, we would have our Starting Safety.

[Blue In BC]

If the Bombers had of drafted Findlay at #15 last season, we would have our Starting Safety.

Yeah, we took Smith 1 pick before Findlay. Findlay is starting and Smith when healthy hasn't had a chance to start.

The career path for either is not clear or which will end up as the better player.

Findlay was getting a lot of reps last year and some as a starter. Both players also played well on ST's. On the surface at the time I was hoping for Findlay to be picked.

Our need last year was more at safety than LB and we'd already drafted Shay. Why we did that IDK. I can't even say we didn't make the right decision in the long run.

We would have has another starting Canadian though and that can never be a bad problem.

[Blueforlife]

If the Bombers had of drafted Findlay at #15 last season, we would have our Starting Safety.

Easy to say that now.  The draft is a cr@p shoot.  Would he have developed here the same, likely not.  All that said, he looked ok last year.

[Blue In BC]

Easy to say that now.  The draft is a cr@p shoot.  Would he have developed here the same, likely not.  All that said, he looked ok last year.

While that's true, we did have a need at safety and not at LB. He would have been a ratio breaker if he played well even if as a 6th DB or eventual starter.

How he did in any interviews, there may have been an issue. Findlay is from North Vancouver and his father or was it his grandfather that played for the Lions? He may not have been willing to go to Winnipeg as his 1st choice and that could have flipped the Bombers to Smith.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Who's to say Findlay would be any better in Younger's system than anyone else? And it's hard for draft picks to get on the field and play with the way our coaching staff approaches things. Even Oliveira had to wait a full season. Jake Kelly was drafted in 2023 and is only now getting reps.

[Pete]

Why haven't we developed the guy we drafted ahead of Findlay, Jaylen Smith as a safety. very good speed, physical and can tackle. He has all the tools to be an impact national

[Jesse]

Who's to say Findlay would be any better in Younger's system than anyone else? And it's hard for draft picks to get on the field and play with the way our coaching staff approaches things. Even Oliveira had to wait a full season. Jake Kelly was drafted in 2023 and is only now getting reps.

I get what you're saying and agree for the most part, but Brady missed his rookie season due to injury. He was on the field as soon as he was healthy.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I get what you're saying and agree for the most part, but Brady missed his rookie season due to injury. He was on the field as soon as he was healthy.

True. Probably an unfair example but he got hurt playing special teams and if you follow our track record he likely would have stayed in that role for the year. It's not necessary the wrong move but it does take O'Shea, generally speaking, a long time to play draft picks on offense or defense in general.