Younger's defense

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Kudos to Jaylen Smith who is now getting regular reps. at LB, although I haven't figured out who he's replacing. Could be Ayers as a sub has fallen a notch down on the LB ladder.

[markf]

. If Jake Kelly was on the field, I never once saw him.

Same with Tony Jones, he's constantly in the backfield trying to get his hands on the QB, Younger must be so in love with his athleticism he wants to use him as a speed rusher.

I saw Kelly, Cause I was trying to watch him to see how he would do.

I saw several plays where he arrived at the ball carrier when the play was over to help up the tackler.

Also saw him approach the line to attempt a tackle on the ball carrier and Kelly just ran straight on by without even a whiff of a tackle. Like an adult v a kid.

Also saw him in the backfield defending nobody several times.

Admittedly it's  hard to tell on tv, but I can't see why he takes the field.

Past season they put him on the field, other team quickly scored two td, in his vicinity whereupon he was benched.

We'll never know why he's out there.

[Jesse]

Kelly was constantly on the field. Saw him where you would expect to see the SAM play.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Kelly hasn't been great but honestly he's no worse than everyone not named Evan Holm or Major Williams and largely so long as the majority of the time we're just dropping into zones with 5 yard cushions he's a good as anyone else.

It's not like anyone is going after Kelly who keeps being the weakest link time and time again. Everyone is open, always. Just don't challenge Holm much, if you need a play isolate Nichols and the scouting is done for the week.

[Blue In BC]

Kudos to Jaylen Smith who is now getting regular reps. at LB, although I haven't figured out who he's replacing. Could be Ayers as a sub has fallen a notch down on the LB ladder.

Yes I noticed him on the field quite a bit. Couldn't really tell who he was replacing or how he did.

My bigger question is what's the deal with Shay? He has yet to record a DT and only has 1 ST.  I don't remember seeing him on defence at all in 3 games. Did we blow another early pick?

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Kelly was constantly on the field. Saw him where you would expect to see the SAM play.

Keeping track of where Griffin, Kramdi and Jones line up on any given play is mind boggling, with so much positional movement on defence it's got to be unsettling for players new to Younger's system who count on these players to support their position.

[Blue In BC]

Keeping track of where Griffin, Kramdi and Jones line up on any given play is mind boggling, with so much positional movement on defence it's got to be unsettling for players new to Younger's system who count on these players to support their position.

It's even worse trying to understand that on TV.

[Pete]

Younger needs to make some changes, maybe the new db Matt Jackson can go in to play safety. But that goes back to the old argument of replacing Ayers. Personally, I think it would be better than what we have going on now, but OShea is so stubborn he won't try anything new until we are desperate.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Younger needs to make some changes, maybe the new db Matt Jackson can go in to play safety. But that goes back to the old argument of replacing Ayers. Personally, I think it would be better than what we have going on now, but OShea is so stubborn he won't try anything new until we are desperate.

There's no evidence O'Shea is telling Younger what to do, I'd assume he gives him the ratio to work with but that's about it.

[Blueforlife]

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And it's because the whole unit is reactionary instead of trying to dictate terms. The secondary gives up major cushion yards even when the game is on the line and there are no more yards to give up. Everything happens in front of them. Quarterbacks just have to get the ball out quick while everyone is back pedaling and they'll have a career night. Over and over, and now season after season. It is the worst implementation of a professional defense I have maybe ever seen. I'm fine getting beat if we're not good enough. It sucks to lose because the system we're playing is not professional grade. The system always sucked. It's now been schemed and exploited and Younger can't or won't do anything differently.

Time for O'Shea to earn his cheque and make a hard decision for once or we're going to be sorry we traded away our first round pick.

Another poor showing for the most part.  However, I do not believe you are being factual or fair in your assessment of Younger's D.  It's taking it lumps right now but to make the claim you are here is way overstated on the negative.  The schemes are nowhere as bad as you are making them out to be.  Yes there are some issues with our schemes and players but lets don't go full doom and gloom here (yet).  The D had a good numbers last year in a lot of categories and it's not factual to say anything otherwise.  That all said I have more major concerns about a few areas of this ball club.  I also liked how we fought back.  Showed up a little late.

Our defense has been a pillar of strength for the club for a number of years but trending down.  You are making it out to be long term tire fire which it isn't.  Little smoke this year to be sure.

[Blue In BC]

Another poor showing for the most part.  However, I do not believe you are being factual or fair in your assessment of Younger's D.  It's taking it lumps right now but to make the claim you are here is way overstated on the negative.  The schemes are nowhere as bad as you are making them out to be.  Yes there are some issues with our schemes and players but lets don't go full doom and gloom here (yet).  The D had a good numbers last year in a lot of categories and it's not factual to say anything otherwise.  That all said I have more major concerns about a few areas of this ball club.  I also liked how we fought back.  Showed up a little late.

Our defense has been a pillar of strength for the club for a number of years but trending down.  You are making it out to be long term tire fire which it isn't.  Little smoke this year to be sure.

Sir Blue & Gold has made factual assessments as many of us have said the same thing.

[Blueforlife]

Sir Blue & Gold has made factual assessments as many of us have said the same thing.

He made some good points there but "this" is non factual imo and just one person's take or opinion
"Over and over, and now season after season. It is the worst implementation of a professional defense I have maybe ever seen."
"The system always sucked"
"the system we're playing is not professional grade"
Defensive stats don't lie and prove the above wrong.

We have a problem this year 100%, to state that its a systemic problem is incorrect imo.

Just because a number of people agree on something doesn't make it fact.

There was a strongly opinioned group that wanted management, MOS and Hall gone before our mini dynasty.  Just because they were in agreement and vocal didn't make them right.  They were quickly proved wrong.  Like I have said before this time around I'm cautiously optimistic.  We shall see how we can adjust and rebound.

My biggest worry is our OL and Ceresna (health both).  Fix that and I'll be more optimistic. 

Giving up 100 yard drives is a massive red flag.  Hopefully we can stop the bleeding in that regard.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

He made some good points there but "this" is non factual imo and just one person's take or opinion
"Over and over, and now season after season. It is the worst implementation of a professional defense I have maybe ever seen."
"The system always sucked"

Defensive stats don't lie and prove the above wrong.

We have a problem this year 100%, to state that its a systemic problem is incorrect imo.

Just because a number of people agree on something doesn't make it fact.

There was a strongly opinioned group that wanted management, MOS and Hall gone before our mini dynasty.  Just because they were in agreement and vocal didn't make them right.  They were quickly proved wrong.  Like I have said before this time around I'm cautiously optimistic.  We shall see how we can adjust and rebound.

My biggest worry is our OL and Ceresna (health both).  Fix that and I'll be more optimistic. 

Giving up 100 yard drives is a massive red flag.  Hopefully we can stop the bleeding in that regard.

We have the same problem as last year it's just that the results are even worse.

The scheme was always flawed. It's the same system.

The problem with simultaneously being sunshine and roses while also being unable to explain on any fundamental level why things are better than the results have always been will forever be your challenge.

You make a ton of blanket statements about things being a strength but you can't tell anyone why you think so. It's so because it's so and that's my opinion man, no personal shots.

Right?

[Blueforlife]

We have the same problem as last year it's just that the results are even worse.

The scheme was always flawed. It's the same system.

The problem with simultaneously being sunshine and roses while also being unable to explain on any fundamental level why things are better than the results have always been will forever be your challenge.

You make a ton of blanket statements about things being a strength but you can't tell anyone why you think so. It's so because it's so and that's my opinion man, no personal shots.

Right?

The facts are the defence had good numbers last year in many categories.  The result are worse yes this year but the D wasn't as bad as your suggest last year.  The stats back that up.  I won't post them here, the CFL page and Google does that for me.  I have highlighted some of these facts previously.

I don't see a systematic problem with our schemes, you do, which are two polar opposite opinions.  Neither of us are likely right, truth usually lies at the middle of two strong positions.

Some including me, believe last year we had a offensive problem and D wasn't the issue.

To early to know this year what we are but early indications are that the D needs work but the offense should be ok (hope!).  I see some struggles on the OL and would like more runs called.

You and others simply paint me as a one dimensional ray of sunshine on here which isn't correct.  I have clearly stated my opinion on the club which has included detailed concerns in many areas.  Yes I have shown my support for the club for a long time but I provide a variety of positions all the time.

I talk about of D as a strength as it has been for almost a decade.  We had an incredible run which I have admitted is in decline as of late.  The success the had at its peak makes even an average D look bad.  The stats, records, scores all support that view point.  I see our D under Hall as some of the best I have ever seen.  I believe Younger has continued with good performing d for a couple of seasons with a challenging one thus far this year.

I have a different posting style than you, seeing, considering or even listening to another person's viewpoint will be forever a problem of yours.

My post was about you overstating the negative about the schemes, Younger and the performance of the D going back a few years.  I am not sunshine and roses about the current state of the club.  We are in a hole but I still have hope but see an uphill challenge.  I have repeatedly provided the areas of concern for the club.

Hope isn't a popular opinion right now but doesn't make it invalid.  I was much less popular on here pre mini dynasty and I'll stay the course just like I did back then.  Until the current regime changes or we tank, this organization has my trust.  Not really confident but I haven't given up on them (yet).

[Sir Blue and Gold]

The facts is the defence had good numbers last year in many categories.  The result are worse yet but the D wasn't as bad as your suggest last year.  The stats back that up.

I don't see a systematic problem with out schemes, you do, which are two polar opposite opinions.

Some including me, believe last year we had a offensive problem and D wasn't the issue.

To early to know this year what we are but early indications are that the D needs work but the offense should be ok.  I see some struggles on the OL and would like more runs called.

You and others simply paint me as a one dimensional ray of sunshine on here which isn't correct.  I have clearly stated my opinion on the club which has included detailed concerns in many areas.

I talk about of D as a strength as it has been for almost a decade.  We had an incredible run which I have admitted is in decline.

I have a different posting style than you, seeing, considering or even listening to another person's viewpoint will be forever a problem of yours.

Every year that Younger has had this defense under his control it's been worse than the prior year. Every year.

The fact that you must admit we've finally got a problem is positive proof that it's a downright disaster.

If you knew where to look you'd see that the exact problems we have this year are bigger more obvious ones from last year and they started the year before that down the stretch and into the Grey Cup loss.

Don't think it gets any more proof positive than that, PJ.