Santos-Knox

[Tecno]

That's still confusing. My understanding is that it doesn't override the actual roster designation listing him as a National. It only has to do with him being able to replace a Canadian for a certain number of reps.

No, the NA (not DNA!) has nothing to do with reps and everything to do with the roster.  You need to start 8 NATs, but 1 "NAT" can be a NA, a vet-IMP who gets to be a FAKENAT (my made up term).

The reps thing is a completely separate issue.

The NA thing basically never comes up because every team has plenty.  Almost no teams even specify who the NA is on the public depth charts.  However, I'm sure the Super Cereal Secret Game Day Roster handed to the league specifies who the NA is.

Seems like we go over this every year     

IMHO NA is dumb, DNA is dumber, it's all dumb and the new commish could have done a great service by ditching it all on day 1 instead of killing the 55.

[Blue In BC]

No, the NA (not DNA!) has nothing to do with reps and everything to do with the roster.  You need to start 8 NATs, but 1 "NAT" can be a NA, a vet-IMP who gets to be a FAKENAT (my made up term).

The reps thing is a completely separate issue.

The NA thing basically never comes up because every team has plenty.  Almost no teams even specify who the NA is on the public depth charts.  However, I'm sure the Super Cereal Secret Game Day Roster handed to the league specifies who the NA is.

Seems like we go over this every year     

IMHO NA is dumb, DNA is dumber, it's all dumb and the new commish could have done a great service by ditching it all on day 1 instead of killing the 55.

Ok, so it's pretty much a useless designation. As I've suggested before I'd like a National and Non National as the only 2 designations.

I'd scrap the Global designation and add 2 DI's allowing global players to fall into that designation. That way global players can make the roster but without the convoluted separate category.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

[Tecno]

Rewatching the ESF, Kyrie was doing nothing but messing up and whiffing.  He was the key cog in letting a lot of big plays (against!) happen.

If we have JSK in the building, and JSK is peaking in his career, I don't see how you don't start JSK at WILL.  Our LB corps and run D will instantly be better.

Kyrie may be released after TC, or kept on PR as backup or advisory role.  He's still useful as the "wise old man", and our LB corps would need one unless JSK can do that role too (but he's been out of the Hall/Younger system for too long to do it right away).

Yes, Kyrie had a good year, and his first healthy year in forever, but watching him play and then Beverette... you can see why we lost the ESF.  I counted him on 3 really bad burns, and only 1 positive impact play.

[Blue In BC]

I see many have the expectation that Santos-Knox will be starting at WIL. That's difficult to argue against. He's a very good player. We're loaded at the LB position so trying to figure out exactly what we're doing may fall into injuries during TC.

What does this mean for Woodbey? I liked what he brought last year but I'd put Griffin ahead of him on any depth chart.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I see many have the expectation that Santos-Knox will be starting at WIL. That's difficult to argue against. He's a very good player. We're loaded at the LB position so trying to figure out exactly what we're doing may fall into injuries during TC.

What does this mean for Woodbey? I liked what he brought last year but I'd put Griffin ahead of him on any depth chart.

Griffin is predominantly a strong side linebacker. He's not going to win a training camp battle at WILL with either Woodbey or Santos-Knox. No chance.

[Blue In BC]

Griffin is predominantly a strong side linebacker. He's not going to win a training camp battle at WILL with either Woodbey or Santos-Knox. No chance.

That wasn't quite the point. Griffin was on the AR until his injury. He was a very good rotation piece on defence. Woodbey got on the AR when Griffin was injured.

They may have different roles on defence but I think Griffin is more useful. He would see more coverage assignments.

This isn't knocking Woodbey but the Canadian LB's we drafted might be more ready to be next man up, now.  I didn't expect Kyrie to be re-signed and thought Woodbey might take on the role.

That got even more complicated adding Santos-Knox.

So I'm expecting Griffin on the AR and Woodbey bumped to PR until an injury causes a roster shift. That's not a direct replacement in the role, just one in and one out on the AR.

Roster size and ratio won't allow everybody on the AR.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

That wasn't quite the point. Griffin was on the AR until his injury. He was a very good rotation piece on defence. Woodbey got on the AR when Griffin was injured.

They may have different roles on defence but I think Griffin is more useful. He would see more coverage assignments.

This isn't knocking Woodbey but the Canadian LB's we drafted might be more ready to be next man up, now.  I didn't expect Kyrie to be re-signed and thought Woodbey might take on the role.

That got even more complicated adding Santos-Knox.

So I'm expecting Griffin on the AR and Woodbey bumped to PR until an injury causes a roster shift. That's not a direct replacement in the role, just one in and one out on the AR.

Roster size and ratio won't allow everybody on the AR.

Can't see them sending Woodbey back to the PR now, nor Kyrie, that would be a slap in the face for a veteran player. Won't be surprised to see strategic use of the 1 game IR stash continued, till the LB group sorts itself out.

[Jesse]

I don't consider Woodbey or Griffin as in competition for roles. Their position is separate from the depth chart in that they come on situationally.

Santos-Knox, "starting" or not, may be used more as a pass rusher while Griffin/Woodbey used more on passing downs. There are time they'll be on the field together and times when it's either/or. Wilson may be the odd man out if they want to roster both Griffin and Woodbey or they one of them may win that role with Wilson staying on the roster.

[Jesse]

Can't see them sending Woodbey back to the PR now, nor Kyrie, that would be a slap in the face for a veteran player. Won't be surprised to see strategic use of the 1 game IR stash continued, till the LB group sorts itself out.

This is specifically what Walters said they did last year that they would not be doing again.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

This is specifically what Walters said they did last year that they would not be doing again.

I can't see them abandoning the 1 game strategy totally as it's a useful tool to temp. stash vet. players that don't deserve to be discounted being moved to the PR, certain personalities are not going to take that pay cut well. Sure don't expect them to pay players full salary for half the season waiting for their chance like they did with Jon Jones, Mitchell, Payton and Vanterpool, of which none advanced their status. 

[Blue In BC]

I don't consider Woodbey or Griffin as in competition for roles. Their position is separate from the depth chart in that they come on situationally.

Santos-Knox, "starting" or not, may be used more as a pass rusher while Griffin/Woodbey used more on passing downs. There are time they'll be on the field together and times when it's either/or. Wilson may be the odd man out if they want to roster both Griffin and Woodbey or they one of them may win that role with Wilson staying on the roster.

It's roster / ratio math. I don't think Griffin and Woodbey were on the AR at the same time, often. This is going to be the same issue whether Wilson is replaced by Santos-Knox as a starter.

Looking at the depth chart when Vaval was also a starting CB we gained another spot for a DI. As soon as Houston was added, Griffin was off due to injury and Vaval was back to a returning role as a DI.

I'd be happy to see both on the AR, but it will be difficult IMO.