O'Shea Granted Permission to Interview with Argos

[dd]

I m thinking its either MOS or Steinhauer for the TO job, and I m thinking MOS gets it, having OS come here wouldn't be the end of the world. Henry Burris's name is being tossed around as well, he could come here as HC and oversee the offense as well. Not the end of the world either.

[Blue In BC]

I m thinking its either MOS or Steinhauer for the TO job, and I m thinking MOS gets it, having OS come here wouldn't be the end of the world. Henry Burris's name is being tossed around as well, he could come here as HC and oversee the offense as well. Not the end of the world either.

What would the Argos need to do for the Bombers to let him out of his contract to make a lateral move? Something isn't right in this equation.

[Jesse]

What would the Argos need to do for the Bombers to let him out of his contract to make a lateral move? Something isn't right in this equation.

What do you mean? MOS's contract is expiring. I don't expect him to move on, but there's nothing the Bombers can do or Argos need to do.

[Ducky]

Steinhauer is president of football ops in Hamilton. He is not coming to Winnipeg.

[The Zipp]

with our job just being HC (currently) all we will get are rookies and has beens who have flamed out elsewhere. 

[Waffler]

rookies and has beens who have flamed out elsewhere. 

Maas was thought to have flamed out.  Mace and Dinwiddie both rookies. So there is talent out there if you can recognize it.

[GOLDMEMBER]

Still waiting for this announcement...
When can we expect this @Pigskin ?

[Blue In BC]

What do you mean? MOS's contract is expiring. I don't expect him to move on, but there's nothing the Bombers can do or Argos need to do.

Not until the end of December. The Argos will want to find their candidate before that date. Technically the Bombers could say no to releasing him early for a lateral move. Normally an organization doesn't refuse a chance for a greater role ( promotion ), but this is a little different.

OTOH, it's bad PR to refuse to let him go if that's what he wants for whatever his reasons may be. He obviously has ties to Toronto but he's also been in Winnipeg for a substantial amount of time as well.

So the question is this a lateral move or some sort of higher level role? I mean you can give it some sort of semi fake new title but what is the reality?

Dinwiddie left the Argos but is taking on more responsibilities than he had in Toronto.

[Waffler]

Technically the Bombers could say no to releasing him early

Can't see this happening. We would want to start our search ASAP too. IF he leaves. Which we still don't know.

[Blue In BC]

Can't see this happening. We would want to start our search ASAP too. IF he leaves. Which we still don't know.

I'm not disputing that but I have mentioned why this is outside the norm when coaches leave. Buck Pierce left for a promotion to HC as the example. I don't remember whether he was still under contract but that's the norm.

O'Shea has had a successful career in Winnipeg despite Grey Cup losses. Is the tie to Ontario to an organization that appears to be in more trouble than in Winnipeg a stronger draw?

If money as a HC is maxed out, what is the incentive for any candidate that isn't getting a promotion?

[Waffler]

If money as a HC is maxed out, what is the incentive for any candidate that isn't getting a promotion?

A lot of competitive people would want the challenge, that happens. Maybe change. He might be feeling stale here. He might think of what he could do there and get excited.

[Jesse]

Not until the end of December. The Argos will want to find their candidate before that date. Technically the Bombers could say no to releasing him early for a lateral move. Normally an organization doesn't refuse a chance for a greater role ( promotion ), but this is a little different.

OTOH, it's bad PR to refuse to let him go if that's what he wants for whatever his reasons may be. He obviously has ties to Toronto but he's also been in Winnipeg for a substantial amount of time as well.

So the question is this a lateral move or some sort of higher level role? I mean you can give it some sort of semi fake new title but what is the reality?

Dinwiddie left the Argos but is taking on more responsibilities than he had in Toronto.

This just seems like much ado about nothing. If MOS wants to leave, he can. There's no advantage to the Bombers holding him until the end of December and they wouldn't do that even if there was.

Your question about why MOS would want to leave is a separate one and imo, he won't leave. Dinwiddie left the Argos because he wanted the GM position, so even if that was something MOS was looking for, he's not getting it with the Argos.

[dd]

I'm not disputing that but I have mentioned why this is outside the norm when coaches leave. Buck Pierce left for a promotion to HC as the example. I don't remember whether he was still under contract but that's the norm.

O'Shea has had a successful career in Winnipeg despite Grey Cup losses. Is the tie to Ontario to an organization that appears to be in more trouble than in Winnipeg a stronger draw?

If money as a HC is maxed out, what is the incentive for any candidate that isn't getting a promotion?

You guys just aren't getting it. He's moving because he WANTS to, to be closer to family, to go back to an organization where he played, he likes pinball and he likes Toronto. If he wasn't interested in the position and moving why would he waste a second on meeting with them. He's gone I m telling ya.

[bwiser]

I wonder if Mike Miller would be ready for a head coaching position. He has done a wonderful job with the Bombers special teams and may be ready to take the next step.

[Jesse]

You guys just aren't getting it. He's moving because he WANTS to, to be closer to family, to go back to an organization where he played, he likes pinball and he likes Toronto. If he wasn't interested in the position and moving why would he waste a second on meeting with them. He's gone I m telling ya.

We don't even know he is meeting with them. That's an assumption.

And honestly, when you're negotiating a contract, you'd kinda be dumb not to explore your options. This is how you go into your conversations with Wade with leverage (as much as you can under a coaching cap).

We'll see. I'm still expecting the press conference announcing Kyle and Mike signing extensions, just like every other time we've all had these discussions. Including in 2019, when people were claiming Mike would jump ship to Toronto.