O'Shea Granted permission to speak with Argos - and is staying with the Bombers

Started by Ridermania, November 10, 2025, 04:57:50 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Tecno on November 18, 2025, 05:54:22 AMI want to take from SSK the idea that you don't need a super expensive REC corps.  All you need is a super expensive OL and a good RB.

However, SSK has done the dink & dunk for a quite a while, starting under Cody and McAdoo.  And I do recall us finding a solution to it in '21-'23.  Clog the lanes, don't give the QB all day, get hands up, put LBers in unorthodox, unexpected positions.  It is defeatable.  Why we forgot how to do all that this season is beyond me.  We better figure it out for '26!!

So I like Zach's more balanced attack -- not forcing long balls, but making sure to spread the ball out all over the field.

Did you see Trevor/Mueller?  They took only one (ONE!!!) shot the whole game!  Unbelievable.  But it proves they are the king of dink & dunk.


To be fair Harris avg. completion was 11.2 yds. which is well beyond most dink and dunk offences, fantastic considering 23/27 302 yds in the GC game. He doesn't have the strongest arm and they can't afford to let him get hit, which is probably his reason behind not throwing lower percentage long balls.

He is cognitively sharp, his test score on memory in this video is amazing.



dd

Great interview. He's so honest, straight forward , no BS it isn't even funny. And he's always about the team, no wonder our locker room is so strong. And he knows the challenge at hand--to get better, 10-8 wasn't good enough as he said, and I believe he'll get things better for next year.

Tecno

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 18, 2025, 07:05:06 PMTo be fair Harris avg. completion was 11.2 yds. which is well beyond most dink and dunk offences

Ya, but what's the median (probably way less than 11) and std dev (probably very small).  Their whole game is basically 7 to 13Y passes.  I recall only 2 games or so Trevor/Mueller were really pushing the ball down the field -- probably only because they saw easy expoitations on a bad team, or the team was cheating up on all the short game stuff (must stay honest on the back end too!).

Just saying 11 avg doesn't show the whole picture.

And yes, I am giving them huge kudos and cred, including Trevor & Mueller, for perfecting this short game as the way to win games by itself (plus good run game thanks to AH).
Never go full Johnston!

Tecno

Quote from: dd on November 18, 2025, 11:13:43 PMGreat interview. He's so honest, straight forward , no BS it isn't even funny. And he's always about the team, no wonder our locker room is so strong. And he knows the challenge at hand--to get better, 10-8 wasn't good enough as he said, and I believe he'll get things better for next year.

Ya, MOS is a good man.  I like him so much more than the anger-clowns like Maas or swear-factories like Mace (watch one of his pre-game GC overview sessions).

He doesn't say much as to who he IS, but he sure tells you a lot about who he ISN'T.  In like every single presser he'll do a "question snub" / guffaw thing.  It's important to learn from these and put them all together.  (That is why I feel like I can make good guesses as to what is coming next when it has something to do with MOS.)
Never go full Johnston!

Balticfox

Quote from: Tecno on November 19, 2025, 01:16:14 AMYa, but what's the median (probably way less than 11) and std dev (probably very small).

Just saying 11 avg doesn't show the whole picture.

Hmmmmm. If the median (and probably the mode) are way less than 11 but the average is 11, that would imply a large rather than a small standard deviation. You would actually have a skewed distribution curve such as this one:



Radically Canadian!


Jesse

Quote from: dd on November 18, 2025, 11:13:43 PMGreat interview. He's so honest, straight forward , no BS it isn't even funny. And he's always about the team, no wonder our locker room is so strong. And he knows the challenge at hand--to get better, 10-8 wasn't good enough as he said, and I believe he'll get things better for next year.

It's funny that you say that, because John Hodge wrote this super whiny article complaining that O'Shea didn't tell them anything.
My wife is amazing!

J5V

Quote from: Jesse on November 19, 2025, 02:28:45 PMIt's funny that you say that, because John Hodge wrote this super whiny article complaining that O'Shea didn't tell them anything.
He isn't wrong. O'Shea's non-answers have become insufferable. I can't listen to him any more.
Go Bombers!

Pigskin

Quote from: J5V on November 19, 2025, 03:26:36 PMHe isn't wrong. O'Shea's non-answers have become insufferable. I can't listen to him any more.

It's going to be a long 3 years for some people.
Don't go through life looking in the rearview mirror.

Balticfox

Michael O'Shea should be told by Bombers' ownership to work on his relations with the media and giving better answers to questions. Quite simply the Blue Bombers are in the entertainment business and liaising with the press is part of marketing the product.

 :(
Radically Canadian!


Sir Blue and Gold

Everyone can do things better. In my opinion, O'Shea became a bit less media friendly this year (although he deserves credit for sticking with that radio show).

I think he just wants to protect his players but taking it too far frustrates reporters who view it as a hindrance to doing a good job from their perspective.

The savvy play (that I would recommend if I could) would be to evaluate that strategy and walk it back a half step next season because when reporters get annoyed, you, at best, miss out on some easy win messaging that they aren't as likely to write and at worst, begin to create the toxic and ugly environment the club used to have with the media not that long ago -- where they banned someone (for awhile) and generally had a strained relationship overall. It's not helpful for anyone to go down that road too far.

O'Shea needs to go back to playing chess both on and off the field.

blue_gold_84

O'Shea owes nobody in the media - local or otherwise - anything. They can ask whatever questions they want; he can answer them however he wants.

Quote from: Pigskin on November 19, 2025, 03:39:14 PMIt's going to be a long 3 years for some people.

Sounds like a them problem.

Quote from: Jesse on November 19, 2025, 02:28:45 PMIt's funny that you say that, because John Hodge wrote this super whiny article complaining that O'Shea didn't tell them anything.

Hodge is such a whiner.

Blue In BC

There is something to be said about this continuity for HC and Walters as our GM. That said, there are issues that have not been addressed due to some loyalty and effort to retain some status quo on the roster.

The team has aged in certain areas. This must be looked at this off season as roster choices are being made with players under contract, expiring contracts and during free agency.

I think it's fair to say many posters saw certain issues going into TC that they didn't seem to recognize or deal with as the season progressed.

None of us can predict what will change going into 2026. It is going to be an interesting discussion as players are re-signed or allowed to leave in free agency.

Let the re-tooling begin before we get into a full re-build mode.
One game at a time.

blue_gold_84

Quote from: Blue In BC on November 19, 2025, 04:19:17 PMLet the re-tooling begin before we get into a full re-build mode.

This is the way. Even a retool done properly could help avoid any notion of a rebuild any time soon.

Waffler

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 19, 2025, 03:47:57 PMO'Shea became a bit less media friendly this year
He can say what he wants if he thinks that helps the team but one thing does bother me. Practice times are becoming state secrets now. Especially if there is only one open one in a week and it is announced less than an hour before it starts. I would have liked to have gone to more but I wonder if he even wants fans there.
"Don't cry and don't rage. Understand." ― Spinoza
__________________________________________________
Everything seems stupid when it fails.  - Fyodor Dostoevsky