MOS on Injury/Collaros Update

Blue In BC · September 10, 2025, 11:51:32 PM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 10, 2025, 10:26:51 PMBecause being season-ended with a concussion is basically 100% voluntary. Even if you desperate want to voluntarily play with an achilles, you still can't.

I don't think it's a voluntary issue for the player. The medical team would deem a player unfit to play. As you know a player has to agree to be placed on IR as well in theory. You think a player with an achilles injury gets to decline?

Collaros in 2019 spent most of the season on the IR in Regina before coming to Winnipeg.

Tecno · September 11, 2025, 10:30:03 AM

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 10, 2025, 11:51:32 PMI don't think it's a voluntary issue for the player. The medical team would deem a player unfit to play. As you know a player has to agree to be placed on IR as well in theory. You think a player with an achilles injury gets to decline?

Collaros in 2019 spent most of the season on the IR in Regina before coming to Winnipeg.

It is voluntary for a player, because there is no objective test for concussion. It is diagnoses based on symptoms.

Docs ask Zach:
1. Are you seeing stars? no
2. Headaches? no
3. Vomiting/nausea? no
4. Trouble thinking/concentrating? no
5. Sensitivity to light & sound? no

The doc now has no choice but to say "cleared to play". Maybe the player really had all of those symptoms, but as long as he's had enough time to not show the effects outwardly (wobbly walking, wincing at the sun, etc), no one can prove he's lying.

As for all the time Zach spent on the sideline in SSK/TOR, IIRC both teams had quality (or better, at the time) QBs that could step in. Playing concussed Zach when you had a even better producing guy would have been counter-productive.

WFC in '25 doesn't have that luxury. No hope of making the cup, let alone winning it, without Zach.

Tecno · September 11, 2025, 10:35:24 AM

I also want to add that I think Zach has gained some sort of superpower when it comes to concussions. They don't seem to affect him like they did in his middle career, and they seem to affect him less than any of the other oldsters (or Ray).

He rarely gets knocked out cold, like so many players do. I've never seen him (as a Bomber) do the Trevor zombie walk, or the Cornish 3-stooges Curly laying down running routine.

He takes the mini-concussions and does the lay-down/leave thing (which may be part of the secret), then is right as rain next week, or the week after.

Maybe his brain has found a defense or coping mechanism because it's seen so many. Maybe he'll make a great medical/football case study one day (hopefully in a positive way).

It's quite amazing, and we should all thank him for all he does and is doing for us, because it's all a giant roll of the dice. How can you not love the guy?

Jesse · September 11, 2025, 10:55:11 AM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 11, 2025, 10:30:03 AMIt is voluntary for a player, because there is no objective test for concussion. It is diagnoses based on symptoms.

Docs ask Zach:
1. Are you seeing stars? no
2. Headaches? no
3. Vomiting/nausea? no
4. Trouble thinking/concentrating? no
5. Sensitivity to light & sound? no

The doc now has no choice but to say "cleared to play". Maybe the player really had all of those symptoms, but as long as he's had enough time to not show the effects outwardly (wobbly walking, wincing at the sun, etc), no one can prove he's lying.

As for all the time Zach spent on the sideline in SSK/TOR, IIRC both teams had quality (or better, at the time) QBs that could step in. Playing concussed Zach when you had a even better producing guy would have been counter-productive.

WFC in '25 doesn't have that luxury. No hope of making the cup, let alone winning it, without Zach.

There are obvious ways to beat the test, but there are tests.

You're asked to answer questions and perform tasks that are measured against a baseline that you perform before the season.

Through an examination, doctors can absolutely make the determination that you are exhibiting symptoms and remove you from the game. It happened to Trevor Harris this season and he was very vocal that it was not voluntary.

Blue In BC · September 11, 2025, 03:18:55 PM

Collaros moved to 1 game IR. I'm surprised but we'll see if that is extended or not next week.

theaardvark · September 11, 2025, 05:05:54 PM

For those that say concussions are voluntary IR placement, no. Concussions are not something you can play through. Not just from a health standpoint, but you physically can't do most tasks when concussed, especially elite level athletic tasks.

You might be able to do some of your tasks, but there be things where you crash horribly, and that's when you are vulnerable to making things much, much worse.

If there is a doubt, sit it out.

Throw Long Bannatyne · September 11, 2025, 11:33:03 PM

Reavis fined for dirtiness.

https://3downnation.com/2025/09/11/this-some-bullsht-saskatchewan-roughriders-db-c-j-reavis-fined-for-high-hit-on-bombers-qb-zach-collaros/

Another fine coming up next week for being a mouthy ****.

"I got 350lb+ offensive lineman diving at my knees INTENTIONALLY after the play.. no flag or fine. But CFL wanna fine me a quarter of my game cheque cus a qb got hurt," Reavis wrote on X, tagging the CFLPA. "Do yall actually care about player safety or QB safety? This some ******** & y'all know dat."

Jesse · September 11, 2025, 11:33:57 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 11, 2025, 11:33:03 PMReavis fined for dirtiness.

https://3downnation.com/2025/09/11/this-some-bullsht-saskatchewan-roughriders-db-c-j-reavis-fined-for-high-hit-on-bombers-qb-zach-collaros/

Another fine coming up next week for being a mouthy ****.

"I got 350lb+ offensive lineman diving at my knees INTENTIONALLY after the play.. no flag or fine. But CFL wanna fine me a quarter of my game cheque cus a qb got hurt," Reavis wrote on X, tagging the CFLPA. "Do yall actually care about player safety or QB safety? This some ******** & y'all know dat."

He's not wrong

bluengold204 · September 12, 2025, 02:30:33 AM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 11, 2025, 10:30:03 AMIt is voluntary for a player, because there is no objective test for concussion. It is diagnoses based on symptoms.

Docs ask Zach:
1. Are you seeing stars? no
2. Headaches? no
3. Vomiting/nausea? no
4. Trouble thinking/concentrating? no
5. Sensitivity to light & sound? no

The doc now has no choice but to say "cleared to play". Maybe the player really had all of those symptoms, but as long as he's had enough time to not show the effects outwardly (wobbly walking, wincing at the sun, etc), no one can prove he's lying.

As for all the time Zach spent on the sideline in SSK/TOR, IIRC both teams had quality (or better, at the time) QBs that could step in. Playing concussed Zach when you had a even better producing guy would have been counter-productive.

WFC in '25 doesn't have that luxury. No hope of making the cup, let alone winning it, without Zach.

Thank god you are in the IT industry because you'd be a terrible health professional.

Sure Zach could in theory make all those claims that he has no symptoms. But in reality there are tests done that can show he has concussion symptoms and can't play.

Tecno · September 12, 2025, 05:53:02 AM

Quote from: Jesse on September 11, 2025, 11:33:57 PMHe's not wrong

If Reavis wants to moan about a low hit on him, then he should state which play it was. I don't recall any bad hit on Reavis, but I'd be happy to look it up and give it a fair evaluation.

Sounds more like deflection to me.

Besides, I think everyone knows that QBs are "special" and nearly every other player is "expendable". (Well, maybe not top-5 RECs.) This shouldn't be news.

RBs take hard hits & punishment & post-whistle chicanery all the time, you don't see them whining.

Tecno · September 12, 2025, 06:06:58 AM

Quote from: theaardvark on September 11, 2025, 05:05:54 PMFor those that say concussions are voluntary IR placement, no. Concussions are not something you can play through.

Micro-concussions may be easier.

Quote from: theaardvark on September 11, 2025, 05:05:54 PMIf there is a doubt, sit it out.

I totally agree, and that's why WFC always yanks Zach when he's seeing stars. SSK let Trevor play through 3 nogging owies that one game, and the zombie-walk one wasn't even the last! But they got the hint real fast when he took that smaller 3rd one.

Tecno · September 12, 2025, 06:08:33 AM

Quote from: Jesse on September 11, 2025, 10:55:11 AMThrough an examination, doctors can absolutely make the determination that you are exhibiting symptoms and remove you from the game. It happened to Trevor Harris this season and he was very vocal that it was not voluntary.

My take was that Mace yanked him to not risk his whole season, because he was getting beat up real bad that game. Do you have something that says it was the injury spotter or the SSK doc making the call?

Jesse · September 12, 2025, 10:54:07 AM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 12, 2025, 06:08:33 AMMy take was that Mace yanked him to not risk his whole season, because he was getting beat up real bad that game. Do you have something that says it was the injury spotter or the SSK doc making the call?

Trevor Harris performed an interview where he expressed how angry he was at training staff for not allowing him to play a game.

Not being yanked during a game, being held out of a game entirely because he was deemed unfit during the week.

theaardvark · September 12, 2025, 03:35:03 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 11, 2025, 11:33:03 PMReavis fined for dirtiness.

https://3downnation.com/2025/09/11/this-some-bullsht-saskatchewan-roughriders-db-c-j-reavis-fined-for-high-hit-on-bombers-qb-zach-collaros/

Another fine coming up next week for being a mouthy ****.

"I got 350lb+ offensive lineman diving at my knees INTENTIONALLY after the play.. no flag or fine. But CFL wanna fine me a quarter of my game cheque cus a qb got hurt," Reavis wrote on X, tagging the CFLPA. "Do yall actually care about player safety or QB safety? This some ******** & y'all know dat."

Reavis took Collaros out of the game with an avoidable side effect of his tackle.

He tackled THAT way to ensure the tackle, for sure. He ducks his head either side, and Collaros has a chance of ducking out. Zach can't avoid the straight on hit. Reavis knew this, and made the concious decision to put his helmet in the path of Zach's helmet to make the maximum of the tackle opportunity.

Yes, the league is about player safety, which is why you got fined.

Sir Blue and Gold · September 12, 2025, 04:11:40 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on September 12, 2025, 03:35:03 PMReavis took Collaros out of the game with an avoidable side effect of his tackle.

He tackled THAT way to ensure the tackle, for sure. He ducks his head either side, and Collaros has a chance of ducking out. Zach can't avoid the straight on hit. Reavis knew this, and made the concious decision to put his helmet in the path of Zach's helmet to make the maximum of the tackle opportunity.

Yes, the league is about player safety, which is why you got fined.

We're seriously saying that hitting the quarterback straight on is somehow dirty?

That's wild!