Elgersma waived

[Pete]

Yeah Giants, Jets, Atlanta and GreenBay come to mind as teams that use a shotgun approach

[Ridermania]

Giants have a loaded QB room

Russell
Dart
Winston
Devito

He ain't sticking there!

Giants released QB Devito.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

There are certain teams that always look at CFL/Canadian talent.

Giants are one of them. I wouldn't read too mcuh into it.

Agree.

The problem he's going to face is that since the talent pool is so large for QBs in the NFL that having an "NFL arm" and "NFL size" isn't likely going to be enough on its own. Nearly all the drafted QBs have NFL arm strength and size and if they don't, they have above average athletics and the advantage of coming up through the NCAA system and usually elite coaching before that too.

Green Bay knows quarterbacks and needs a third QB and they didn't keep him. I think that's most telling.

[Waffler]

Giants did release Devito with the intent of adding him to their PR but New England claimed him. Presumably this means the Giants have a spot open on the PR for a QB.  A good break for Elgersma.

[blue_or_die]

I use a mathematical formula to calculate when a CFL player/Canadian comes back to the CFL after an NFL stint:

z = 1.6x + y

where:
z = when they actually come back
x = when they should come back
y = when they want to come back

x = 1 almost always (i.e. right away)

works every time.

Seriously tho, we have this discussion every year. Awesome prospect lights up the CFL, they go South, get nothing, wait around forever, sometimes come back and do well but hardly ever live up to expectations. I know I sound mean but I share everyone's frustration when you think something cool will happen and then it just fizzles.

Hope I'm wrong about this, and especially the Pokey situation.

[Jesse]

I use a mathematical formula to calculate when a CFL player/Canadian comes back to the CFL after an NFL stint:

z = 1.6x + y

where:
z = when they actually come back
x = when they should come back
y = when they want to come back

x = 1 almost always (i.e. right away)

works every time.

Seriously tho, we have this discussion every year. Awesome prospect lights up the CFL, they go South, get nothing, wait around forever, sometimes come back and do well but hardly ever live up to expectations. I know I sound mean but I share everyone's frustration when you think something cool will happen and then it just fizzles.

Hope I'm wrong about this, and especially the Pokey situation.

Yeah, but Toronto and Sask already got their receivers back.

Unfair.

[dd]

I use a mathematical formula to calculate when a CFL player/Canadian comes back to the CFL after an NFL stint:

z = 1.6x + y

where:
z = when they actually come back
x = when they should come back
y = when they want to come back

x = 1 almost always (i.e. right away)

works every time.

Seriously tho, we have this discussion every year. Awesome prospect lights up the CFL, they go South, get nothing, wait around forever, sometimes come back and do well but hardly ever live up to expectations. I know I sound mean but I share everyone's frustration when you think something cool will happen and then it just fizzles.

Hope I'm wrong about this, and especially the Pokey situation.

I don't think you're wrong at all. Wilson is an ok receiver but he isn't a game changer. Solid receiver but I wouldn't put him ahead of Wheatie and certainly not ahead of demski. So he's a number 3 receiver at best he ain't no Kenny lawler and some are making him out to be more than he actually is. I am more excited about getting dalton back than i ever will be for Wilson

[Tecno]

I don't think you're wrong at all. Wilson is an ok receiver but he isn't a game changer. Solid receiver but I wouldn't put him ahead of Wheatie and certainly not ahead of demski. So he's a number 3 receiver at best he ain't no Kenny lawler and some are making him out to be more than he actually is. I am more excited about getting dalton back than i ever will be for Wilson

I dunno.  I think Pokey has a >50% chance of being big time (here).  He could be the next Kenny.  Pokey did better in his rookie year than Kenny did.  He flashed signs of being able to make the Kenny circus catches, too.  Something really no other WPG has done (not Wheatie and not even Schoen).  There were some Pokey catches that were like "no way anyone can make it to this ball".

If we get him back we have a great, balanced REC corps.  Route-master swiss-army knife Demski, clutch nose-for-the-hole and scramble-king Schoen, home-run diver Pokey.  Emperor probably rounds out the NAT spot along with pick-your-fave in last (probably Wheats right now, maybe Moore later).

[RebusRankin]

Wilson is a better WR than Wheatfall.

[dd]

Wilson is a better WR than Wheatfall.

Maybe he is , maybe he isn't. Wheatfall is presently playing for us, Wilson isn't

[blue_or_die]

I don't think you're wrong at all. Wilson is an ok receiver but he isn't a game changer. Solid receiver but I wouldn't put him ahead of Wheatie and certainly not ahead of demski. So he's a number 3 receiver at best he ain't no Kenny lawler and some are making him out to be more than he actually is. I am more excited about getting dalton back than i ever will be for Wilson

Dam, this is SUCH a hot take!! I don't agree at all but I kinda love this as a conversation-starter.

IMO if Wilson comes back he is instantly seen as our number 1 unless/until Dalton becomes the Dalton we all know he can be when he's healthy and dialed in.

Getting Wilson and Schoen back instantly elevates our rec core from patchwork to tops of the league when you add Demski (#3 playing like a #1) and Wheatie (who I share your love for actually). The Clerk also has more in him and I don't think Hogan is using him right (but that's for another thread).

Imagine Wilson on the boundary, Wheatie on field side, and then having Schoen, Demsk and Clerk in the middle.  Mix in some Brady receiving yards. That's fire imo.

[Jesse]

Dam, this is SUCH a hot take!! I don't agree at all but I kinda love this as a conversation-starter.

IMO if Wilson comes back he is instantly seen as our number 1 unless/until Dalton becomes the Dalton we all know he can be when he's healthy and dialed in.

Getting Wilson and Schoen back instantly elevates our rec core from patchwork to tops of the league when you add Demski (#3 playing like a #1) and Wheatie (who I share your love for actually). The Clerk also has more in him and I don't think Hogan is using him right (but that's for another thread).

Imagine Wilson on the boundary, Wheatie on field side, and then having Schoen, Demsk and Clerk in the middle.  Mix in some Brady receiving yards. That's fire imo.

It's definitely worth a conversation. Wilson got 20% of his yearly yardage in one game last year (The 200 yarder which is the reason why everyone loves him). He was consistent but not dominate or anything during the last third of the year. He really had a big middle of the season during the weeks without Lawler/Schoen. After Lawler came back, there were a couple of week were Wilson still outperformed him and then Lawler took over as first read.

That said, I think Wilson proved he could be the guy when placed into that role. Especially with Schoen in there as well. And Wheatfall might find himself more open if he's not the only down field threat.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I don't think you're wrong at all. Wilson is an ok receiver but he isn't a game changer. Solid receiver but I wouldn't put him ahead of Wheatie and certainly not ahead of demski. So he's a number 3 receiver at best he ain't no Kenny lawler and some are making him out to be more than he actually is. I am more excited about getting dalton back than i ever will be for Wilson

I think Pokey is a little better than ok, he gained over 1,000 yds. with 298 yds in YAC in his rookie season, mostly running curls and catching the ball while stationary. Later in the season Zach started to trust him a little more and hit him in motion, he can be an extremely dangerous in space if he has the right QB to lead him.

He has fantastic hands.

[blue_or_die]

It's definitely worth a conversation. Wilson got 20% of his yearly yardage in one game last year (The 200 yarder which is the reason why everyone loves him). He was consistent but not dominate or anything during the last third of the year. He really had a big middle of the season during the weeks without Lawler/Schoen. After Lawler came back, there were a couple of week were Wilson still outperformed him and then Lawler took over as first read.

That said, I think Wilson proved he could be the guy when placed into that role. Especially with Schoen in there as well. And Wheatfall might find himself more open if he's not the only down field threat.

OK, fair, I'm only going by eyeball test and memory. Really seemed like he was dynamic every game he played and that was only his first year. I'll maintain he's first read with Lawler gone if he comes back this year.

[markf]

I think Pokey is a little better than ok, he gained over 1,000 yds. with 298 yds in YAC in his rookie season, mostly running curls and catching the ball while stationary. Later in the season Zach started to trust him a little more and hit him in motion, he can be an extremely dangerous in space if he has the right QB to lead him.

He has fantastic hands.

Wilson is considerably better after the catch than Wheatfall. He had some remarkable runs with the ball last season.

Wheatfall is good at catching the ball, and brave, but not very elusive.

It's quite noticeable with the guys we have now, first tackler brings them down.  Except Demski of course.