GDT Ham at Ott, Sun July 20, 6:00PM

[TecnoGenius]

Kenny's knee issue before the half was a non-contact, and he was limping going into halftime.  But he looks ok so far in 2nd H.

Not good for Kenny if he has a minor MCL/ACL strain.  Well, not good for my fantasy team!

I wish nothing bad on Kenny, as he's so fun to watch.  But him being out for 6G with a knee would make the Schoen woes more palatable.  Goes to show it's all a crapshoot when it comes to injuries.  All a GM can do is hope for the best, and use heuristics to factor in injury probabilities.

[dd]

The refs on field (Major?) immediately threw the flag, the moment the hit happened.  It's the ref behind and to the right of Dru.  The only thing command was doing was deciding if it was a 25Y and/or ejection.

P.S. As I look at it again I think the dude gets a 1 game suspension.  League has been doing more than just fines for such hits.

Should get 1 game for sure and so should the refs!!

[TecnoGenius]

I call BS.

The tackler is in a real tough spot there.  If he does go in neck/head back, facemask first, then he'll still hit the QB FM to FM, and I'm pretty sure that's still RTP.

I think the only real choice for full-run pass rushers is they need to aim for the side of the QB so they can lead with the shoulder, having the head to the outside of the QB body.

If they put the head waaay down they could still get a spearing, even if there's zero H2H.

It's gotten to the point half the with-speed sacks in the CFL are RTP.  And it's often on 2nd (passing) down, meaning the RTP is worse than just harassing the QB rather than tackling.

Hey, maybe this is why WFC doesn't seem to try for or care about sacks... Maybe they ran the numbers and it's better to harass and contain than to actually hit.

[dd]

The tackler is not in a tough spot, slide your head to the side to make the tackle, just like you were taught in youth league when you were 10 years old. Guys coming in and spearing the Qb like what happened to Brown, is NO accident, it was totally intentional. The league has got to wake up. This stuff is called in amateur ball all the time, yet when it comes to the pros--who are much better tacklers than amateurs, the officials let it go. These guys know what they're doing, they are spearing the Qb with the intention of knocking him out of the game, which is exactly what happened. What else has to happen, is those spearing a Qb in the head while throwing get a 25 yd rough play and a game misconduct. There should be no debate to this. It's like the old hockey debate that if you didn't draw blood it wasn't a high stick.

Get with the stinking program and start protecting players brains for gods sake!!!!!

[TecnoGenius]

Get with the stinking program and start protecting players brains for gods sake!!!!!

To be fair, we don't see this exact hit much anymore.  At least not this season.  That's why this one seems a bit shocking.  Most front-7's know better than to ram/butt like this.

That's also why I think he'll get a harsh result (suspension).  If they really wanted to send a message they'd make it 2+ games.  But there's not much precedent for that in this case.

Doesn't help that Amos was really stoked and celebrating big time right after the hit.  Reminded me of Awe.

[dd]

To be fair, we don't see this exact hit much anymore.  At least not this season.  That's why this one seems a bit shocking.  Most front-7's know better than to ram/butt like this.

That's also why I think he'll get a harsh result (suspension).  If they really wanted to send a message they'd make it 2+ games.  But there's not much precedent for that in this case.

Doesn't help that Amos was really stoked and celebrating big time right after the hit.  Reminded me of Awe.

He should get a game for the hit and a game for the bogus celebration dance afterwards. That was totally classless. Guarantee you that would never happen on a MOS team. He has too much class for that BS.

Lost total and all respect for this player and put him right up there with Awe and only hope that they get whats coming to them from the football gods.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

He should get a game for the hit and a game for the bogus celebration dance afterwards. That was totally classless. Guarantee you that would never happen on a MOS team. He has too much class for that BS.

Lost total and all respect for this player and put him right up there with Awe and only hope that they get whats coming to them from the football gods.

The potential damage done to the Ottawa franchise in terms of dropping ticket sales, Bob Dyce's tenure and Dru Brown's future health could be immense, and the cost was only a 25 yd penalty. The CFL has to wake up, idiots like Amos and others are costing the league millions in lost revenue by devaluing the entertainment value of the the league severely.  If they have to start Crum I won't bother watching any RB games as they stand little chance of winning, and  I bet I'm not the only one. 

It's been 3 years since Garrett Marino destroyed Masoli's career, tanked LaPo's coaching career and sunk the Ottawa franchise to depths they still have not recovered from functionally and financially.  What has the CFL learned in the 3 years since?

[TecnoGenius]

If they have to start Crum I won't bother watching any RB games as they stand little chance of winning, and  I bet I'm not the only one. 

I don't know, Crum did about as good as Dru did in this game!  Either Dru is faltering (no OL and REC help), or Crum has improved a bit.  Maybe both.

And none of this helps stop the type of injury Zach took because it was a "clean hit".

[Blue In BC]

Disagree the helmet when properly secured is designed to provide max protection

That flee flicker was ugly!

Think about it. The blow came from under the face mask (which it appeared to have done ). With the chin strap on tight there would be greater force applied on the head because there would be resistance by the face mask for the helmet to not come off. That could be a bad think in this instance.

Try putting on a helmet and apply upward pressure on the face mask and see what it does to your neck. Now do the same thing without the chin strap on tight.

The injury didn't appear to occur with the head hitting the turf after the helmet came off. If it did then you have a reasonable point. However, that's a risk analysis on which situation would cause the most damage.

Anyone want to post the hit in slow mo? I didn't record the game.

[Waffler]

They've done studies and the most common location of concussion for a qb is back of the head. They have special QB helmets for this now. I posted a bit about them last season.

[Waffler]

https://biokinetics.com/enhancing-football-helmet-safety-the-role-of-position-specific-nfl-testing/

Quarterbacks

Quarterbacks endure low, medium and high-velocity impacts from all directions and can be particularly subject to being blindsided by hits or tackles during key play points. They also are now tested against low and medium speed hits against the turf. Overall performance scores in NFL helmet rankings for quarterbacks weight testing scores highly on the impact with the turf. The NFL's QB helmet protocol includes a total of 21 tests.

These are position specific. I attach the list of top preforming helmets for Quarterbacks.

[markf]

They've done studies and the most common location of concussion for a qb is back of the head. They have special QB helmets for this now. I posted a bit about them last season.

Decrease your risk of  brain damage, v. Looking uncool, not tough enough.

Not smart..... Particularly for someone with a concussion history.

[TBURGESS]

I don't think that the chin strap would have helped on that hit. In fact it might have made the hit more significant with the head forced back as a result.  I don't know what it takes to get a player ejected. Brown may miss several games after that.

Head inside a helmet hitting the ground is way better than not inside the helmet. Protection is the whole point of the helmet in the first place.

The refs on field (Major?) immediately threw the flag, the moment the hit happened.  It's the ref behind and to the right of Dru.  The only thing command was doing was deciding if it was a 25Y and/or ejection.

P.S. As I look at it again I think the dude gets a 1 game suspension.  League has been doing more than just fines for such hits.

I think he gets a suspension too, but it's only because Brown got injured on the play. 

[Blue In BC]

Head inside a helmet hitting the ground is way better than not inside the helmet. Protection is the whole point of the helmet in the first place.I think he gets a suspension too, but it's only because Brown got injured on the play.

You missed my point about whether the blow came from under the face mask and how that could have a greater strain on the neck. Obviously a head inside a helmet hitting the ground is beneficial in most instances.

[TBURGESS]

You missed my point about whether the blow came from under the face mask and how that could have a greater strain on the neck. Obviously a head inside a helmet hitting the ground is beneficial in most instances.

Strain on the neck isn't a concussion which makes is way less of a problem.