Injuries

[Blueforlife]

Of course we're just speculating and I did say if the worst case scenario is off to the 6 game IR, he could be finished for the entire season just as easily.

I'm not even sure he sustained a concussion and that removing him was just protocol after he hit his head. Certainly a jolt but not necessarily a concussion.

I guess we'll see if he gets moved to IR or not. I suspect he won't practice in the early days and possibly not at all as they evaluate.

I was worried about the neck / head snap back and hit the turf.  So hard to know.  See how it goes. 

What's the rules for 6 game? Wondering about coming off early.  Thinking of Schoen as well in that regard.

[Ridermania]

When you come off early from the 6 game list, your salary counts against the cap.

[Blue In BC]

Hey, if Schoen's gone, how about Hollins?  Isn't he still unsigned?  He's around D.Mitchell talent level.  Maybe less upside, more known-quantity.

Signed in Montreal IIRC?

[VictorRomano]

I just watched the Zach hit on PVR and it's 100% concussion protocol.  Basically a copy of what happened to T.Harris in SSK the other week.

He was seeing stars like Wile E. Coyote after he gets hit with an anvil.

I still don't understand why they don't put pillows or some hi-tech substitute on the outside back of Zach's helmet.  This seems to be the #1 way QBs get concussed in the pocket: being pushed straight back and having the head snap and whack the turf.

They spend so much effort on that wacky loose part at the top of the head, but never the back.  The top does nothing because they've taken the helmet-to-crown QB hits out of the game.  They need like crumple zones for the back.

Based on the other times this has happened I would say WFC will be likely to keep Zach out the next 1-2 games.

Edit: per Riderforum, there is a product called VICIS helmet that seems to do what I'm thinking:
https://techweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/vicis-helmet.jpg

But for players like Zach I think you double the very back-of-head protection/padding.  Need to make it like you're flopping down on your bed pillow really hard, not dropping your head on concrete.

There is a simple coaching fix for this - you have to coach your athletes *how* to be tackled.

Preface - I've coached rugby for closing on 30 years.  Been to provincial championships several times coaching men's XVs and men's and women's 7s.  Rugby allows no protective gear other than a mouth guard, so knowing how to protect yourself is important.  Before we start coaching tackling, we coach how to fall.  Eveey single practice for 2 weeks.  It's simple - chin tucked to chest, shoulders rolled forward, arms crossed in front of chest - this stabilizes the head/neck/chin on the way down and drastically reduces the chance of bouncing your head off the turf, and crossing the arms in front of the body increases ball control during the tackle while preventing players from extending an arm to break rheir fall (which prevents elbow dislocations, shoukder separations, and broken wrists).  We also coach players to try to fall in a "banana":  points of ground contact should be knees/hips/shoulder, in that order.

Over the years, I've seen concussions rates and arm/shoulder injuries reduced from a couple a season when I started, to one injury every second or third season now.  My athletes participated in a concussion study with Dr. Mike Ellis at the Pan Am Concussion Clinic for a few years, but I haven't had a concussion to report yet, despite annual baseline testing for my athletes.

[theaardvark]

Don't trivialize a head injury. A hamstring is far, far less serious than a head injury. No question, no debate.

Given the state of our O line, Collaros is ill advised to go back in there, he will be seriously injured. If the O line we fielded last game is the best we can muster, then I too would retire, it simply ain't worth it.

And guys criticizing Collaros for not being in civvies on the sidelines later don't get it either. Don't you think Collaros wants to be on the sidelines to support his teammates the way he always has?? He wasn't there because the injury dictated that he be in a dark, quiet environment. Are we getting the picture people?? Wake the heck up!!

100% concur.  Hammy's, you can get a cane if it is chronic and career ending.  Concussions, there is no "cane" for the brain.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

When you come off early from the 6 game list, your salary counts against the cap.

I thought there was a mulligan for the first one or two?

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

There is a simple coaching fix for this - you have to coach your athletes *how* to be tackled.

Preface - I've coached rugby for closing on 30 years.  Been to provincial championships several times coaching men's XVs and men's and women's 7s.  Rugby allows no protective gear other than a mouth guard, so knowing how to protect yourself is important.  Before we start coaching tackling, we coach how to fall.  Eveey single practice for 2 weeks.  It's simple - chin tucked to chest, shoulders rolled forward, arms crossed in front of chest - this stabilizes the head/neck/chin on the way down and drastically reduces the chance of bouncing your head off the turf, and crossing the arms in front of the body increases ball control during the tackle while preventing players from extending an arm to break rheir fall (which prevents elbow dislocations, shoukder separations, and broken wrists).  We also coach players to try to fall in a "banana":  points of ground contact should be knees/hips/shoulder, in that order.

Over the years, I've seen concussions rates and arm/shoulder injuries reduced from a couple a season when I started, to one injury every second or third season now.  My athletes participated in a concussion study with Dr. Mike Ellis at the Pan Am Concussion Clinic for a few years, but I haven't had a concussion to report yet, despite annual baseline testing for my athletes.

Holm talks about rugby quite a bit in his interview with Ed Tait, he explains why he prefers to use rugby tackling technique over the football method tackling.

[Blue In BC]

If Collaros only misses one game then we escaped a much larger problem. Bombers face the Argos back to back and might be the weakest team in the league until injured players return. So if our back ups QB has to play, this would be the team I'd pick to play against.

OTOH, the Argo players must be angry and that can be a dangerous thing to face for us. We need to gain early momentum and not allow them to march for a score on their 1st drive.

[The Zipp]

If Collaros only misses one game then we escaped a much larger problem. Bombers face the Argos back to back and might be the weakest team in the league until injured players return. So if our back ups QB has to play, this would be the team I'd pick to play against.

OTOH, the Argo players must be angry and that can be a dangerous thing to face for us. We need to gain early momentum and not allow them to march for a score on their 1st drive.

plus i think we kinda suck on saturdays vs the argos...seems like we lose more than we win recently...could be wrong

there is no easy game in the cfl. 

[Stats Junkie]

I thought there was a mulligan for the first one or two?

Any player placed on the 6-game injured list can be removed early but the salary hit counts against the cap. There is no cap hit for any player who completes the full 6 games on the 6-game list.

The potential 'mulligan' as you say comes into play when a player is extended on the 6-game injured list for a second 6 games. 2 players can be removed from 6-game early without the cap hit for those incremental games . In these instances it would be games 7,8,9... that would be exempt (in addition to the initial 6 games).

[BLUEBOMBER]

This game was such an embarassment to the BB and it's fans. The BB haven't been beaten this bad in a long time. Someone has to step up and wake up the guys.

[Pete]

We lost Dobson cause we wouldn't pay him, our oline is weaker
we lost Ford same and our secondary is weaker
we lost Lawler same and our receiver group is weaker
I get we couldnt afford to keep all of them but
we didnt add an impact player to replace any of them

[markf]

Yes, losing Ford is looking like a problem right now.

These coaches have sorted this out before... it just makes common sense that they will again.

The d backfield was good before Ford, and it will be after him as well.

[J5V]

Alexander to the six-game. MBT the starter in Montreal.

[TecnoGenius]

There is a simple coaching fix for this - you have to coach your athletes *how* to be tackled.

The techniques you describe don't really help with the pushed-straight-back on your back hit like Zach took (and often takes).  The chin tuck may not be enough as the momentum of your heavy brain may overcome the neck muscles.

I always wondered, what if on this type of hit you let your neck go limp and try to get your head to hit FIRST, or simultaneous with your back.  It would seem the rapid snap from fighting the G forces and losing causes more brain damage than a single evened-out full-body simultaneous hit.  I'm just throwing out ideas.

IOW, either your neck is strong enough a chin tuck can succeed (maybe only possible for RB-built players), or don't even try.

Or tie a pillow to the back of the helmet...