Injuries

[Blueforlife]

Zach neck / head
Vaval?
Nichols just winded?
What did I miss?

[TecnoGenius]

I think Nichols returned to the game?  Hopefully he's not out.

Vaval might be nothing major?  He didn't return and I didn't see him on the sidelines (neither was Zach).

Zach seems precautionary.  More of the same ol'.

[Blueforlife]

I think Nichols returned to the game?  Hopefully he's not out.

Vaval might be nothing major?  He didn't return and I didn't see him on the sidelines (neither was Zach).

Zach seems precautionary.  More of the same ol'.

Nichols came back yes
Vaval didn't
Agree Zach

[TecnoGenius]

I find it a bit odd that many times when we lose a player mid-game they don't ever come back out to the sidelines.  Many players on most teams will come back out to support their troops, even if they're in civvies.

I'm pretty sure I've seen other players in concussion protocol go back out in civvies?  Weird.

[TecnoGenius]

I just watched the Zach hit on PVR and it's 100% concussion protocol.  Basically a copy of what happened to T.Harris in SSK the other week.

He was seeing stars like Wile E. Coyote after he gets hit with an anvil.

I still don't understand why they don't put pillows or some hi-tech substitute on the outside back of Zach's helmet.  This seems to be the #1 way QBs get concussed in the pocket: being pushed straight back and having the head snap and whack the turf.

They spend so much effort on that wacky loose part at the top of the head, but never the back.  The top does nothing because they've taken the helmet-to-crown QB hits out of the game.  They need like crumple zones for the back.

Based on the other times this has happened I would say WFC will be likely to keep Zach out the next 1-2 games.

Edit: per Riderforum, there is a product called VICIS helmet that seems to do what I'm thinking:
https://techweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/vicis-helmet.jpg

But for players like Zach I think you double the very back-of-head protection/padding.  Need to make it like you're flopping down on your bed pillow really hard, not dropping your head on concrete.

[Blueforlife]

Collaros has been done for a while. That offensive line sucks. If I were Zac's family, I would advise retirement.

Nope has been great most his time here and good recently.  Not that close to retirement imo. Was having a good game before he got hurt.

OL banged up and work in progress

Yes a rough game

[Jesse]

Nope has been great most his time here and good recently.  Not that close to retirement imo. Was having a good game before he got hurt.

OL banged up and work in progress

Yes a rough game

He is 36 years old. He's very close to retirement and his concussion history is important to consider. Not everything is a criticism. Some things are what they are.

[Blueforlife]

He is 36 years old. He's very close to retirement and his concussion history is important to consider. Not everything is a criticism. Some things are what they are.

DM83 suggested he retire now.  I said he wasn't that close to retirement.  Nothing to do with criticim.  Yes the end is near but it's not now.  Has a couple seasons left imo.  Yes depending on seriousness of his injury, he needs to take that into account.  You took my post out context.  I am very aware of Zach's age and injury history, as most of us are.  My post was to counter DM83s suggestion that he retires now.  That is all.

[dd]

I sincerely worry about anyone taking snaps behind that pitiful O line. C mon man we gotta be better than that!! These guys are literally putting their heads on the line. Stanley Bryant old slow and all is miles better than what we saw last night. That was embarrassing

[Blue In BC]

DM83 suggested he retire now.  I said he wasn't that close to retirement.  Nothing to do with criticim.  Yes the end is near but it's not now.  Has a couple seasons left imo.  Yes depending on seriousness of his injury, he needs to take that into account.  You took my post out context.  I am very aware of Zach's age and injury history, as most of us are.  My post was to counter DM83s suggestion that he retires now.  That is all.

Concussions are a serious thing and he has a history with them. At some point the next one is the last one. They are cumulative and we won't know whether the next one is when that point is reached.

I don't know how serious this one might have been. If he's out and how long he's out plays into that. I'm not suggesting he'll end up on the 6 game IR. Let's just say that happens in a worst case scenario.

That would suggest the time has come and DM83 may have a point. In the interest of his long term health, it may be wise.

I'm not jumping to conclusions but how many more hits to the head can he take?

[Blueforlife]

Concussions are a serious thing and he has a history with them. At some point the next one is the last one. They are cumulative and we won't know whether the next one is when that point is reached.

I don't know how serious this one might have been. If he's out and how long he's out plays into that. I'm not suggesting he'll end up on the 6 game IR. Let's just say that happens in a worst case scenario.

That would suggest the time has come and DM83 may have a point. In the interest of his long term health, it may be wise.

I'm not jumping to conclusions but how many more hits to the head can he take?

Zach will do what's best for his health and has a professional team around him that will insure that.  At this stage we have zero information on his injury.  Be cautious yes, cumulative impact yes but we cross those bridges when we come to them.  To suggest an injuried star QB retires after an unknown severity of injury is jumping to a lot of early conclusions.  I expect him to be back after a game or two.  If he goes on the 6 game I will have moderate worry.  Worst thing to do is rush him.  Mtl did that and screwed up big time.

I hope Zach gives us another year but I also don't want to see him have health issues after an amazing career.  Might be hard to avoid that entirely but need to mitigate it and do a risk assessment going forward.

[dd]

Don't trivialize a head injury. A hamstring is far, far less serious than a head injury. No question, no debate.

Given the state of our O line, Collaros is ill advised to go back in there, he will be seriously injured. If the O line we fielded last game is the best we can muster, then I too would retire, it simply ain't worth it.

And guys criticizing Collaros for not being in civvies on the sidelines later don't get it either. Don't you think Collaros wants to be on the sidelines to support his teammates the way he always has?? He wasn't there because the injury dictated that he be in a dark, quiet environment. Are we getting the picture people?? Wake the heck up!!

[Blueforlife]

Don't trivialize a head injury. A hamstring is far, far less serious than a head injury. No question, no debate.

Given the state of our O line, Collaros is ill advised to go back in there, he will be seriously injured. If the O line we fielded last game is the best we can muster, then I too would retire, it simply ain't worth it.

And guys criticizing Collaros for not being in civvies on the sidelines later don't get it either. Don't you think Collaros wants to be on the sidelines to support his teammates the way he always has?? He wasn't there because the injury dictated that he be in a dark, quiet environment. Are we getting the picture people?? Wake the heck up!!

I never trivilzied the head injury.  The reference to Mtl was to avoid rushing a player back from injury.  You just making stuff up now.
Oline success will depend on how they gel and who gets healthy.  Can't write em off yet.  I expected OL challenges but I have faith in a few games it will be better than last two.  Zach has proven in his time here to be able to remain healthy over long stretches. 
You have no idea on the severity of his injury.  Let's wait until we know before we hit the panic button. 

[Blue In BC]

Zach will do what's best for his health and has a professional team around him that will insure that.  At this stage we have zero information on his injury.  Be cautious yes, cumulative impact yes but we cross those bridges when we come to them.  To suggest an injuried star QB retires after an unknown severity of injury is jumping to a lot of early conclusions.  I expect him to be back after a game or two.  If he goes on the 6 game I will have moderate worry.  Worst thing to do is rush him.  Mtl did that and screwed up big time.

I hope Zach gives us another year but I also don't want to see him have health issues after an amazing career.  Might be hard to avoid that entirely but need to mitigate it and do a risk assessment going forward.

Of course we're just speculating and I did say if the worst case scenario is off to the 6 game IR, he could be finished for the entire season just as easily.

I'm not even sure he sustained a concussion and that removing him was just protocol after he hit his head. Certainly a jolt but not necessarily a concussion.

I guess we'll see if he gets moved to IR or not. I suspect he won't practice in the early days and possibly not at all as they evaluate.

[TecnoGenius]

Hey, if Schoen's gone, how about Hollins?  Isn't he still unsigned?  He's around D.Mitchell talent level.  Maybe less upside, more known-quantity.