Elks @ Bombers

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Sounds like Demski did not practice today, Brady was running around but O'Shea would not confirm whether he was involved or not.

[Blue In BC]

Logan is still not practising. I wonder why they didn't put him on the 6 game IR to start the season. It doesn't sound like he'll be ready anytime soon. It also gives Vaval more time to tighten his grip on the role of returner.

Oliveria and Benson ruled out. Demski as questionable. That might mean Cobb has to be added for depth. Other than that, I'm not expecting any changes.

Leroux played well so I thought he'd be on the AR for at least this week. Benson was DNP so that made the choice easy.

[markf]

Re who is what on defence

I watched the condensed game at B.C.

Vaughters played left end, right end, and tackle.

(Or should I say "edge" lol .)

Didn't watch anyone else. Line of scrimmage it's  somewhat hard to see anything actually so many players converging.I did see Willie downfield on one play.

It does seem like the two ends are pretty focussed on containing qb escapes.

Easier to see....39 Smith... special teams, makes a lot of plays.

[Blue In BC]

Re who is what on defence

I watched the condensed game at B.C.

Vaughters played left end, right end, and tackle.

Didn't watch anyone else. Line of scrimmage it's  somewhat hard to see anything actually so many players converging can see half a number....

Easier to see....39 Smith... special teams, makes a lot of plays.

Lots of players coming in and going out. It is hard to see who is where or why or when. Strong side and weak side adjustments come into play.

Smith is going to be a good one.

[Blueforlife]

Injury report

[TecnoGenius]

Our DL seems to be getting more pressure but aren't getting sacks or even making tackles. I'd like to see more stops at the LOS or even TFL. At the very least less time for QB's to throw. Especially against a slower more mobile QB like Masoli.

You've been a fan of Hall/Younger long enough to know, Mafia doesn't care about sacks.  It's all about pressure and getting the QB off their mark.  So many WFC people have said or hinted this.  My fave are Willie's pressers and mid-/post-games, especially near season's end.  "Relentless pressure" is his favorite go to line.  Never sacks, never once are sacks mentioned by anyone.

It's basically ingrained in the Bombers' D DNA now, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

I think J. Jones is faster than Wilson but Wilson has a very high football IQ and he contains the edge very well. That said I do wonder if Jones is not a better option against Ford.

Wilson has been doing very well.  Making plays, making disruption.  He hasn't shown he's any slower than '21.

You also know that Mafia tends to stick to the status quo when it comes to the ultra-vets (continuity, loyalty, what have you).  They may not decide on Jones for a look-see "just because", even if he's faster and it makes logical sense.

[TecnoGenius]

It's too bad we don't get depth charts for ST's. I'd like to understand who he replaced and / or why that happened. The only thing that comes to mind is an adjustment losing Benson in the grand scheme of things.

I would love that too!  We really never get any info as to how the ST coverage is structured.  We can infer things about lanes and waves by watching things unfold, and we all know about "gunners".  But we don't actually know.

I think it would be great if TSN could get a ST specialist on the panel.  Of course, the best ones are rare and infrequent: Arakgi, Mike Miller.  I'd love to learn about the ST like Lapo teaches us about O on TSN.

[TecnoGenius]

I'd get vanterpool in for Randolph. Wallace was fine. Randolph and Bryant struggled and it had nothing to do with the center.
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Randolph tho gives me takes plays off vibes where vanterpool does not.

Randolph has the seniority, Vanterpool has shown nothing at OT.  Randolph let through about as many pressures as Stan.  Randolph takes plays off??  Give me some game times to look at then, I have no idea what you're talking about!  A DE can take plays off, but not an OT!

If anything, where is Lofton on his recovery?  I'm sure it's still his spot.

BC has very fast DEs, does EDM?  Or are they more power guys?  We may fare better against power guys.

I'd consider benching Jefferson honestly for 1 game and inserting person.

Did you spend time on East Hastings before posting this?  You know full well Willie will never sit out.  Well, maybe if he goes and gets ejected again!  But that wouldn't be due to performance issues.

If you're just saying what you want, then back it up with reasons.  No problem with an opinion, however nuts.

[Blue In BC]

You've been a fan of Hall/Younger long enough to know, Mafia doesn't care about sacks.  It's all about pressure and getting the QB off their mark.  So many WFC people have said or hinted this.  My fave are Willie's pressers and mid-/post-games, especially near season's end.  "Relentless pressure" is his favorite go to line.  Never sacks, never once are sacks mentioned by anyone.

It's basically ingrained in the Bombers' D DNA now, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Wilson has been doing very well.  Making plays, making disruption.  He hasn't shown he's any slower than '21.

You also know that Mafia tends to stick to the status quo when it comes to the ultra-vets (continuity, loyalty, what have you).  They may not decide on Jones for a look-see "just because", even if he's faster and it makes logical sense.

Nothing says both can't be true about the DL getting pressure and more sacks.  I think we will see more of that as they get used to playing together more and familiar with Younger's concepts.

[Blue In BC]

Randolph has the seniority, Vanterpool has shown nothing at OT.  Randolph let through about as many pressures as Stan.  Randolph takes plays off??  Give me some game times to look at then, I have no idea what you're talking about!  A DE can take plays off, but not an OT!

If anything, where is Lofton on his recovery?  I'm sure it's still his spot.

BC has very fast DEs, does EDM?  Or are they more power guys?  We may fare better against power guys.

Did you spend time on East Hastings before posting this?  You know full well Willie will never sit out.  Well, maybe if he goes and gets ejected again!  But that wouldn't be due to performance issues.

If you're just saying what you want, then back it up with reasons.  No problem with an opinion, however nuts.

I didn't say that. There was a quote from 3rd Down that said that that I referenced.

Read the 1st line of post 22 where I said that I neither agreed or disagreed with the original  poster. Just that it was interesting and could be discussed further.

[Jesse]

Randolph has the seniority, Vanterpool has shown nothing at OT.  Randolph let through about as many pressures as Stan.  Randolph takes plays off??  Give me some game times to look at then, I have no idea what you're talking about!  A DE can take plays off, but not an OT!

If anything, where is Lofton on his recovery?  I'm sure it's still his spot.

BC has very fast DEs, does EDM?  Or are they more power guys?  We may fare better against power guys.

Did you spend time on East Hastings before posting this?  You know full well Willie will never sit out.  Well, maybe if he goes and gets ejected again!  But that wouldn't be due to performance issues.

If you're just saying what you want, then back it up with reasons.  No problem with an opinion, however nuts.

Randolph doesn't have seniority, but he does seem to be the first choice.

I said this after week one, but there's no reason to arbitrarily mess with the OL when they've been so successful. Had to make a ratio move for week 2, but certainly no reason to swap out Randolph just because.

Same thing for the DL. The D has carried us for 2 games. But let's swap out the team leader. The other site is so dumb sometimes. They build up these narratives in their heads and argue everything from these accepted points that don't have any evidence of being true.

[LXTSN]

I would also love to get Jones into the game. Not great options to get him on the AR unfortunately!
Ayers, Griffin, Vaval... Ayers is the best option but it would leave us with only 2 DE's

Rethinking this a little...

IN
Bailey (global)
Jones

OUT
Wietz (global)
Ayers

[Blue In BC]

Rethinking this a little...

IN
Bailey (global)
Jones

OUT
Wietz (global)
Ayers

I'd agree those would be good options.

Ayers is not a DE, that's just a place they show him on the depth chart. Bailey is a rush end type, so either way it doesn't impact that change even with Ayers shown as an edge player at times. We didn't trade up to get him for no good reason.

Also of note that J.Jones is being paid quite well to be sitting on the bench. His stats show he is effective on both defence and on ST's. So switching him for Ayers shouldn't be that big an issue.

[LXTSN]

I'd agree those would be good options.

Ayers is not a DE, that's just a place they show him on the depth chart. Bailey is a rush end type, so either way it doesn't impact that change even with Ayers shown as an edge player at times. We didn't trade up to get him for no good reason.

Also of note that J.Jones is being paid quite well to be sitting on the bench. His stats show he is effective on both defence and on ST's. So switching him for Ayers shouldn't be that big an issue.

Does that mean that the Bombers value Ayers higher than JJ?
I don't really see what the Bombers see in Wietz also. He looks really slow when he's given the chance. I'd much rather see Bailey in the lineup regardless of the other roster move.

[Blue In BC]

Does that mean that the Bombers value Ayers higher than JJ?
I don't really see what the Bombers see in Wietz also. He looks really slow when he's given the chance. I'd much rather see Bailey in the lineup regardless of the other roster move.

It's hard to say but Ayers is on the roster and J. Jones is not. Obviously he was seen as a valuable addition in free agency. He got a lot of play in pre season and started many games in Toronto.

J. Jones might still be adapting to a new system while Ayers is a 2nd year player in Winnipeg. We also drafted 3 LB's this year so there is a significant level of depth at the position. He signed a 1 year deal for $120.5K which is only $3K more than T. Jones but he's on a 2 year deal.  No info on how much K. Wilson earns.

Loyalty, performance are all in play. At this point it's only a surprise and it's good to have that depth. Many have reported that J. Jones is a better coverage LB than T. Jones.  I have noticed T. Jones in pursuit a few times in the 2 games. OTOH, there are lots of factors that may result in that.

As has been mentioned the team was so intrigued by Bailey they traded up to get him. Weitz is another 2nd year player so again he has an initial edge. How long that lasts is a TBD.

I would have made both those changes. Status quo is not always the best decision. O'Shea is loyal to his veterans. That's both a positive but can also be a negative.  I guess we'll see what happens in the long run. Injuries may dictate.